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Why not adoption/foster care?

Scrabaholic said:
I once had a discussion with a Pentecostal woman - I had been to her church a couple times. We were talking about divorce. She said God only allows it for adultery. I asked her what about abuse? She said adultery only. I never went back to that church.
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You really have strong convictions if a conversation with one person can keep you from going to a church. So you opted for NO church? How does that make sense?
 
maquiscat said:
I responded before I saw that. I was starting with various sports and other activities, when my husband suggested driving cars.
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Your 'husband'? I thought you were a dude.
 
Mashmont said:
You really have strong convictions if a conversation with one person can keep you from going to a church. So you opted for NO church? How does that make sense?
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Easy. When a person tells you the tenets of the organization and you do not agree with them then you can make a decision and act.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Easy. When a person tells you the tenets of the organization and you do not agree with them then you can make a decision and act.
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Sounds like that was one person's view, not that of the organization.

It always amazes me when somebody says something like "Oh, I left the church because because a nun scolded me in school once". Really? You made a life decision because you got butt hurt? How flimsy is a person's faith that one human's words can make you leave the church. Some people just look for excuses.
 
Mashmont said:
Actually, the position is no sex act should preclude children. That's why the rhythm method is acceptable. The irreligious cult says sex should a a purely selfish mechanical act.
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That's lying if you think it fits most people, religious or not.

Sex is a wonderful thing for 2 people to share, to develop intimacy and bonding...or just enjoy. Our Lord never wanted us to miss out on that...He never demanded we pump out kids to put $$ in collection plates. That was, for one blatant example, the Catholic Church.


Sex is a shared experience and when done to pleasure both, is not selfish (since it's shared :roll:)




This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Mashmont said:
That's a stupid analogy. People have to drive cars. Unmarried people (who account for the vast majority (83%) of abortions) not only don't have to have sex, but shouldn't.
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???? Millions the world over do not drive cars. Millions in the US dont have to drive cars. That's a total BS statement.




This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Mashmont said:
Nice of you to prop up a limping fellow atheist, but it won't really help.
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LMAO the 'driving cars' analogy is perfect. Your denials are sad and ineffective and not even honest.




This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Mashmont said:
Sounds like that was one person's view, not that of the organization.

It always amazes me when somebody says something like "Oh, I left the church because because a nun scolded me in school once". Really? You made a life decision because you got butt hurt? How flimsy is a person's faith that one human's words can make you leave the church. Some people just look for excuses.
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Your example here literally has nothing analogous with what I was talking about.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Your example here literally has nothing analogous with what I was talking about.
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Yeah it does. You implied one person who attends a church should be able to influence others not to attend. I called out that idiocy
 
Lursa said:
That's lying if you think it fits most people, religious or not.

Sex is a wonderful thing for 2 people to share, to develop intimacy and bonding...or just enjoy. Our Lord never wanted us to miss out on that...He never demanded we pump out kids to put $$ in collection plates. That was, for one blatant example, the Catholic Church.



Sex is a shared experience and when done to pleasure both, is not selfish (since it's shared :roll:)
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Sex comes with restrictions. That’s why the Bible condemned fornication. It’s blasphemy to say God permits it, and it upsets me greatly when you atheists lie about the Bible
 
OceanBlues1 said:
Actually, there were plenty of occasions I had sex, always using birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancy. Guess what, I never got pregnant. Funny how well that worked out, don't you think?
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Mashmont said:
Artificial birth control is immoral, so that is nothing to brag about.
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You don't get to decide what is "immoral" for me or anyone else but yourself, and thank goodness for that. It's plain common sense for anyone who doesn't want to either get pregnant or create a pregnancy to use birth control as prevention whenever possible. Even though it isn't 100% guaranteed against unwanted pregnancy, it's still better to use it than not to.
 
Mashmont said:
America protected women from having illegal abortions by having societal condemnation of it. Those were better times.
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"Protected" women? Hardly. I'd say it did the opposite, by denying women the ability to make our own reproductive -- or more accurately, non-reproductive -- choices for ourselves. Those were not better times for women, they were worse times. And I hope we never go back to those dark and ugly days.
 
Mashmont said:
Unmarried people (who account for the vast majority (83%) of abortions) not only don't have to have sex, but shouldn't.
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Well, that's a decision you only get to make for yourself. You don't get to decide that for anyone else, which is a very good thing. Also, there are quite a few hetero married couples who don't want children either, but that's not going to stop them from having sex, unless they choose to stop.
 
Mashmont said:
You really have strong convictions if a conversation with one person can keep you from going to a church. So you opted for NO church? How does that make sense?
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Uh, no, Scrab didn't say "no church." She said she didn't go back to THAT church. As in, not the church that didn't allow divorce in cases of abuse. I wouldn't have gone back to that particular church either, whether it was the Catholic Church or not.
 
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Mashmont said:
Yeah it does. You implied one person who attends a church should be able to influence others not to attend. I called out that idiocy.
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I don't believe you "called out" anything. Not that it really matters. Whether or not one chooses to attend church is a private matter and not your concern.
 
Mashmont said:
No it wasn't. America protected women from having illegal abortions by having societal condemnation of it. Those were better times.
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Wrong. Abortion was common prior to the 1860's. That is when the bulk of the laws making abortion illegal occurred. There was no overall societal condemnation of it until then.
 
Mashmont said:
That's a stupid analogy. People have to drive cars. Unmarried people (who account for the vast majority (83%) of abortions) not only don't have to have sex, but shouldn't.
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No they don't. There is absolutely nothing anywhere that requires you to drive a car, or any other vehicle. You can walk, bike (but with your logic, no helmet or pads), take public transportation, etc. So many options. Regardless your argument was "If you don't want B to happen, then don't do A". You applied it to pregnancy and sex, but the logic stands across the board or it doesn't stand.
 
Mashmont said:
omg. A typo. When you don't have a point, call the typo police.
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Told you to remember you own comment. You get what you give. Golden rule and all.
 
Mashmont said:
Sounds like that was one person's view, not that of the organization.

It always amazes me when somebody says something like "Oh, I left the church because because a nun scolded me in school once". Really? You made a life decision because you got butt hurt? How flimsy is a person's faith that one human's words can make you leave the church. Some people just look for excuses.
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Can't speak for Bod, but usually when I note that I no longer go to a church, I am using the more colloquial form of the word, which refers to a specific location/congregation. I was raised UM, but there are UM churches that I will never go back to again. There are churches of many other denominations that I will gladly go back to in a heartbeat if I ever return to their area, while others of the same denominations will never have me back.
 
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