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Why Not Ban Abortion Just Like New Zealand?

So people here are saying that the USA should not follow New Zealand's example where they have much stricter regulation for abortion. Why is that, is it because New Zealand is a different country?

Again you are back to this lie Why is that? It has been shown to you that you are misrepresenting what has happened in new zealand as well as ignoring the fact that new zealand has changed the law. You, for some reason want america to follow a law that allowed women to get abortion on demand. Please explain why america should want a law that proved to be quite useless.
 
Again you are back to this lie Why is that? It has been shown to you that you are misrepresenting what has happened in new zealand as well as ignoring the fact that new zealand has changed the law. You, for some reason want america to follow a law that allowed women to get abortion on demand. Please explain why america should want a law that proved to be quite useless.
I wasn't aware that New Zealand changed the law but if they did than how about Nicaragua? They've outright banned abortion, should the USA be like them in that regard? Why or why not?
 
So are you saying that once a brain develops its not OK to get an abortion but its OK to get one before that? And for the woman to not get an abortion doesn't make her any less innocent.

Why dont you answer his questions before you ask more?
 
OK how about Nicaragua, they've outright banned abortion, should the USA follow their example? Why or why not?
So people here are saying that the USA should not follow New Zealand's example where they have much stricter regulation for abortion. Why is that, is it because New Zealand is a different country?

Since you havent been able to adequately articulate 'why' stricter regulation is needed, what more do you want?

We've been asking YOU for your opinion on why to restrict abortion to begin with.


You said, to save 'innocent' lives. Well, you have not articulated why you or anyone should value the empty 'innocence' of the unborn more than women.

Please do, then maybe answers to your OP will be more apparent.
 
Since you havent been able to adequately articulate 'why' stricter regulation is needed, what more do you want?

We've been asking YOU for your opinion on why to restrict abortion to begin with.


You said, to save 'innocent' lives. Well, you have not articulated why you or anyone should value the empty 'innocence' of the unborn more than women.

Please do, then maybe answers to your OP will be more apparent.
I have answered you just haven't accepted it.
 
I have answered you just haven't accepted it.

No, you have not articulated why you value an innocence that is factually nothing but emptiness, a vacuum, over women's lives and futures. You only kept repeating it.

Why should we protect that 'innocence' over a woman...who is also innocent?

And when you claimed the unborn have a right to life, you have not said what authority says so.
 
No, you have not articulated why you value an innocence that is factually nothing but emptiness, a vacuum, over women's lives and futures. You just repeated it.

Why should we protect that 'innocence' over a woman...who is also innocent?

Because the innocence that you claim is just an empty vacuum is in fact not an empty vacuum.
 
Because the innocence that you claim is just an empty vacuum is in fact not an empty vacuum.

Yes it is...there is no capacity to think, act, or even form intent. It's the same 'innocence' as a couch. Should we not throw couches in the trash because they are 'innocent?'

Why do you place value on that innocence when women are also innocent?


And when you claimed the unborn have a right to life, you have not said what authority says so. Please do.
 

Breitbart? Seriously???


Pain is an emotional and psychological experience that requires conscious recognition of a noxious stimulus. Consequently, the capacity for conscious perception of pain can arise only after thalamocortical pathways begin to function, which may occur in the third trimester around 29 to 30 weeks’ gestational age, based on the limited data available. Small-scale histological studies of human fetuses have found that thalamocortical fibers begin to form between 23 and 30 weeks’ gestational age, but these studies did not specifically examine thalamocortical pathways active in pain perception.

While the presence of thalamocortical fibers is necessary for pain perception, their mere presence is insufficient—this pathway must also be functional. It has been proposed that transient, functional thalamocortical circuits may form via subplate neurons around midgestation, but no human study has demonstrated this early functionality. Instead, constant SEPs appear at 29 weeks’ PCA, and EEG patterns denoting wakefulness appear around 30 weeks’ PCA. Both of these tests of cortical function suggest that conscious perception of pain does not begin before the third trimester. Cutaneous withdrawal reflexes and hormonal stress responses present earlier in development are not explicit or sufficient evidence of pain perception because they are not specific to noxious stimuli and are not cortically mediated.


Fetal Pain: A Systematic Multidisciplinary Review of the Evidence | Pain Medicine | JAMA | JAMA Network
 
Because the unborn has a right to live and the fact that the woman does have to go through such pain and horror is not the fault of the unborn.

The unborn does not have a right to live, that is indisputable fact.

BTW, all "right to life" means is that the GOVERNMENT cannot take your life without just cause.
 
I wasn't aware that New Zealand changed the law but if they did than how about Nicaragua? They've outright banned abortion, should the USA be like them in that regard? Why or why not?


Nicaragua: Abortion Ban Threatens Health and Lives | Human Rights Watch
Nicaragua’s total ban on abortion is putting women and girls’ health and lives at risk. The country’s 2006 law punishing abortion – without any exceptions, even if pregnancies are life-threatening or resulted from rape – has driven abortions underground. The ban has not stopped abortion, but has made it more unsafe.

International human rights treaties require governments to respect women’s reproductive rights. Authoritative interpretations of these treaties by United Nations experts and bodies call for the removal of criminal penalties for abortion.

Of course it is obvious by even asking the question that you do not care about the life or health of women who would dare to make a decision without first consulting a male like you and therefor fall under your umbrella of not being innocent themselves. So i doubt this will have any impact on you.
 
So people are saying on this thread that just because they have certain conditions that apply to abortion in countries such as New Zealand and Nicaragua doesn't mean we should have those same conditions in the USA, alright, fair enough.
 
So people are saying on this thread that just because they have certain conditions that apply to abortion in countries such as New Zealand and Nicaragua doesn't mean we should have those same conditions in the USA, alright, fair enough.

No...you never even proved the foundation for your OP: why we should restrict abortion at all?

So if you cant answer that, then how can anyone answer your OP, or why would they? If we shouldnt restrict abortion, then it would be stupid to look to other countries for their restrictions. :doh
 
I wasn't aware that New Zealand changed the law but if they did than how about Nicaragua? They've outright banned abortion, should the USA be like them in that regard? Why or why not?

Could you explain why you are suggesting that the US adopt laws from some other country. Is your point that the US is incapable of making laws? Why would it make sense to adopt laws from a country that has absolutely no similarity to the US. Why would it be a good idea to be like Nicaragua or New Zealand? And why just those two countries. If we have to be like some other country aren't there better choices than a tiny third world Central American country? What is your point?
 
If we have to be like some other country aren't there better choices than a tiny third world Central American country?

Yes. He also said New Zealand.
 
Yes. He also said New Zealand.
Don’t you know New Zealand is just a hop, skip, and a 8,000 mile jump away from South America. Y’all are practically neighbors. :)
 
Don’t you know New Zealand is just a hop, skip, and a 8,000 mile jump away from South America. Y’all are practically neighbors. :)

Some argue that is where the kumara came from...
 
I suspect that they are right.

There's a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in.

I like the idea of diversity...
 
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