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Why Not Ban Abortion Just Like New Zealand?

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Here in the USA, why don't we ban abortion just like its been banned in New Zealand? In New Zealand abortion is practically altogether banned with a few exceptions. They will make exceptions to the ban in cases where:
1)There's serious danger to the life of the woman
2)There's serious danger to the physical health of the woman
3)There's serious danger to the mental health of the woman
4)substantial risk that the child, if born, would be seriously handicapped
5)in cases of incest

So anyway, I see no reason why we can't have abortion banned in the USA to at least the same extent that its banned in New Zealand. After all, it works in New Zealand it should work here.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here in the USA, why don't we ban abortion just like its been banned in New Zealand? In New Zealand abortion is practically altogether banned with a few exceptions. They will make exceptions to the ban in cases where:
1)There's serious danger to the life of the woman
2)There's serious danger to the physical health of the woman
3)There's serious danger to the mental health of the woman
4)substantial risk that the child, if born, would be seriously handicapped
5)in cases of incest

So anyway, I see no reason why we can't have abortion banned in the USA to at least the same extent that its banned in New Zealand. After all, it works in New Zealand it should work here.
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Move to New Zealand if that is your cup of tea.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here in the USA, why don't we ban abortion just like its been banned in New Zealand? In New Zealand abortion is practically altogether banned with a few exceptions. They will make exceptions to the ban in cases where:
1)There's serious danger to the life of the woman
2)There's serious danger to the physical health of the woman
3)There's serious danger to the mental health of the woman
4)substantial risk that the child, if born, would be seriously handicapped
5)in cases of incest

So anyway, I see no reason why we can't have abortion banned in the USA to at least the same extent that its banned in New Zealand. After all, it works in New Zealand it should work here.
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Perhaps a better question is, why should we ban abortion like new Zealand?
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here in the USA, why don't we ban abortion just like its been banned in New Zealand? In New Zealand abortion is practically altogether banned with a few exceptions. They will make exceptions to the ban in cases where:
1)There's serious danger to the life of the woman
2)There's serious danger to the physical health of the woman
3)There's serious danger to the mental health of the woman
4)substantial risk that the child, if born, would be seriously handicapped
5)in cases of incest

So anyway, I see no reason why we can't have abortion banned in the USA to at least the same extent that its banned in New Zealand. After all, it works in New Zealand it should work here.
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They have lots of abortions in New Zealand. The woman need only claim she is suicidal
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here in the USA, why don't we ban abortion just like its been banned in New Zealand? In New Zealand abortion is practically altogether banned with a few exceptions. They will make exceptions to the ban in cases where:
1)There's serious danger to the life of the woman
2)There's serious danger to the physical health of the woman
3)There's serious danger to the mental health of the woman
4)substantial risk that the child, if born, would be seriously handicapped
5)in cases of incest

So anyway, I see no reason why we can't have abortion banned in the USA to at least the same extent that its banned in New Zealand. After all, it works in New Zealand it should work here.
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Why isn't there an exception for rape? That is the #1 reason a girl or woman would suffer PTSD if she got pregnant.

Where do they draw the line at "seriously handicapped" fetuses? That one is subjective; a mother must decide for herself how bad is too bad to take care of a disabled child. I totally disagree with other people.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here in the USA, why don't we ban abortion just like its been banned in New Zealand? In New Zealand abortion is practically altogether banned with a few exceptions. They will make exceptions to the ban in cases where:
1)There's serious danger to the life of the woman
2)There's serious danger to the physical health of the woman
3)There's serious danger to the mental health of the woman
4)substantial risk that the child, if born, would be seriously handicapped
5)in cases of incest

So anyway, I see no reason why we can't have abortion banned in the USA to at least the same extent that its banned in New Zealand. After all, it works in New Zealand it should work here.
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I wonder if dems would trade abortion for the death penalty. R’s go along with abortion, D’s go along with the death penalty.
Or, outlaw them both.

It’s a win-win!
 
chuckiechan said:
I wonder if Democrats would trade abortion for the death penalty. R’s go along with abortion, D’s go along with the death penalty. Or, outlaw them both.

It’s a win-win!
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Absolutely not. The death penalty is unconstitutional (see the 8th Amendment). I never understood why it was ever legal.

Abortion is constitutional in the United States. Every pro-choicer on the forum knows it. Some have explained it by copying website text and links.

The life and death choice law we should be comparing abortion to is assisted suicide.
 
Blue Donkey said:
Absolutely not. The death penalty is unconstitutional (see the 8th Amendment). I never understood why it was ever legal.
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Untrue.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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The Eighth Amendment prohibits the federal government from imposing excessive bail, excessive fines, or cruel and unusual punishments.

The prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment was incorporated as applying to the States in Robinson v. California 370 U.S. 660 (1967).

But it is a prohibition against cruel and unusual punishments, not one to "prevent the death penalty," which was neither unusual, nor considered cruel at the time the Constitution was written.

We simply can't perform cruel sentences like "drawing and quartering," "death by a thousand cuts," or being fed alive to wild animals.

Meanwhile, I support a woman's right to choose. At least up until the fetus has developed enough that one could reasonably consider it a "human being" for purposes of the right to life.
 
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DebateChallenge said:
Here in the USA, why don't we ban abortion just like its been banned in New Zealand? In New Zealand abortion is practically altogether banned with a few exceptions. They will make exceptions to the ban in cases where:
1)There's serious danger to the life of the woman
2)There's serious danger to the physical health of the woman
3)There's serious danger to the mental health of the woman
4)substantial risk that the child, if born, would be seriously handicapped
5)in cases of incest

So anyway, I see no reason why we can't have abortion banned in the USA to at least the same extent that its banned in New Zealand. After all, it works in New Zealand it should work here.
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Why should we ban abortion? Even the basic premise of your post fails.

Please explain?
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Untrue. (Still Typing)
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Christian pro-lifers have compared abortion to assisted suicide in discussions with me on the issue. (I strongly disagree with their logic.) That topic is not relevant here, but it is for pro-lifers debating with other pro-lifers.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here in the USA, why don't we ban abortion just like its been banned in New Zealand? In New Zealand abortion is practically altogether banned with a few exceptions. They will make exceptions to the ban in cases where:
1)There's serious danger to the life of the woman
2)There's serious danger to the physical health of the woman
3)There's serious danger to the mental health of the woman
4)substantial risk that the child, if born, would be seriously handicapped
5)in cases of incest

So anyway, I see no reason why we can't have abortion banned in the USA to at least the same extent that its banned in New Zealand. After all, it works in New Zealand it should work here.
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Abortion cannot be banned. It's a law.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Here in the USA, why don't we ban abortion just like its been banned in New Zealand? In New Zealand abortion is practically altogether banned with a few exceptions. They will make exceptions to the ban in cases where:
1)There's serious danger to the life of the woman
2)There's serious danger to the physical health of the woman
3)There's serious danger to the mental health of the woman
4)substantial risk that the child, if born, would be seriously handicapped
5)in cases of incest

So anyway, I see no reason why we can't have abortion banned in the USA to at least the same extent that its banned in New Zealand. After all, it works in New Zealand it should work here.
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Because that type of ban violates bodily autonomy, which is the right that allows you to decide what to do with your own body, and what does or does not stay in it. Without bodily autonomy, if you kidney is needed to save a life, then you don't have a right to refuse to give it.

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Disregard. Misread.

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Blue Donkey said:
The life and death choice law we should be comparing abortion to is assisted suicide.
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In what aspect? If you are arguing on the principle of bodily autonomy, then yes they are comparable. Otherwise, I don't see how you could compare them.

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Blue Donkey said:
That is an understatement. It is a constitutional and human right for all female American citizens.
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It's a constitutional and human right for all American citizens. Or it's a constitutional and human right for all pregnant American citizens.

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DebateChallenge said:
Here in the USA, why don't we ban abortion just like its been banned in New Zealand? In New Zealand abortion is practically altogether banned with a few exceptions. They will make exceptions to the ban in cases where:
1)There's serious danger to the life of the woman
2)There's serious danger to the physical health of the woman
3)There's serious danger to the mental health of the woman
4)substantial risk that the child, if born, would be seriously handicapped
5)in cases of incest

So anyway, I see no reason why we can't have abortion banned in the USA to at least the same extent that its banned in New Zealand. After all, it works in New Zealand it should work here.
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What are you talking about? Abortion rates are higher here than in the US.
 
maquiscat said:
In what aspect? If you are arguing on the principle of bodily autonomy, then yes they are comparable. Otherwise, I don't see how you could compare them.
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I can't compare them myself, but the argument is about comatose patients on life support.
 
Irredentist said:
Perhaps a better question is, why should we ban abortion like new Zealand?
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It isn't banned... not even close. We have a higher abortion rate than the USA and 36% of abortions here are a woman's SECOND abortion.

vegas giants said:
They have lots of abortions in New Zealand.
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Correct. 18% of known pregnancies END in abortion.

The woman need only claim she is suicidal
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Not even that much needs to happen... danger to physical health covers pretty much everything.

Blue Donkey said:
Why isn't there an exception for rape? That is the #1 reason a girl or woman would suffer PTSD if she got pregnant
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She can if she is raped... that falls under physical health.

Where do they draw the line at "seriously handicapped" fetuses? That one is subjective; a mother must decide for herself how bad is too bad to take care of a disabled child. I totally disagree with other people.
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Seriously handicapped are not mandatory abortions... they are up to the mother. You seem confused here.

Lursa said:
Why should we ban abortion? Even the basic premise of your post fails.

Please explain?
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His post fails on many levels... up to and including the fact that abortion in New Zealand is not anywhere close to being banned.
 
maquiscat said:
It's a constitutional and human right for all American citizens. Or it's a constitutional and human right for all pregnant American citizens.

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Men can't get pregnant and there is a time limit on when females can get pregnant, so abortion specifically is not a right for ALL citizens. But medical privacy is, of course.
 
maquiscat said:
Because that type of ban violates bodily autonomy, which is the right that allows you to decide what to do with your own body, and what does or does not stay in it. Without bodily autonomy, if you kidney is needed to save a life, then you don't have a right to refuse to give it.

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I'm curious as to why that right only applies to abortion. Seems strange that you have the right to kill a living being, but not the right to use a substance to make you feel better or prostitute yourself for some added funds.
 
Blue Donkey said:
Men can't get pregnant and there is a time limit on when females can get pregnant, so abortion specifically is not a right for ALL citizens. But medical privacy is, of course.
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That is pretty transphobic of you.....
 
Nap said:
That is pretty transphobic of you.....
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How so? I was just stating the extremely obvious proven facts that everyone who went to high school knows.
 
Bodhisattva said:
His post fails on many levels... up to and including the fact that abortion in New Zealand is not anywhere close to being banned.
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:doh There's something 'not right' with him.

But it's common for him to abandon posts when the fail is pointed out.

I'd like to see him acknowledge that NZ's legal treatment of abortion is not as effective as the US's legal right to abortion and explain why there's a difference.

DebateChallenge said:
After all, it works in New Zealand it should work here.
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Why is the rate higher in NZ Debate Challenge?
 
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