[W: 1014] Let us say Roe v Wade is overturned. What do you think will happen next.

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it's just me said:

Nothing. Abortion laws will go back to the states, then the people can vote on whether they want it or not.

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In states that bean them, wealthy women can go elsewhere, poor women will seek them illegally.

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j brown's body said:

In states that bean them, wealthy women can go elsewhere, poor women will seek them illegally.

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There are some states now, geographically large ones like MS and SD, that only have 1 facility now and women travel out of state now if those locations are closer.

Sad but true. But at least safe facilities are and always will be available.

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Of course I'd be concerned about what it would mean for women in America, but I'd be far, far more concerned about what it would mean for our court system.

SCOTUS is not about judicial activism, it's about jurisprudence. RvW was not ruled upon in a vacuum. It was based on multiple cases that came before it, building the eventual case for the RvW decision.

What that means is that in order to overturn RvW, there would have to be an argument made that blows half a century of court rulings and jurisprudence out of the water; an argument so convincing and so deeply rooted in legal research that the judges would have to side with it.

Every attempt to challenge RvW has failed because the arguments just can't tear down the historical rulings.

If suddenly SCOTUS ruled against RvW based on flimsy arguments, it would mean our Supreme Court system has been hijacked, and we should all be worried.

The reality is that, although abortion is a hot button issue for social conservatives, the big players don't actually give a crap about it. It's an issue they trot out to get votes and that's about it, because for now the evangelical population and lobby have some clout. Population statistics show that by 2030, the evangelical population in the USA will reduced by half. Abortion as a political issue arose as part of the Republican Southern Strategy after their party was decimated in the 60's. With religion going the way of the dodo bird, they won't be able to rely on that strategy for much longer.

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Blue Donkey said:

Abortion laws being passed by the states are always struck down. No state can ban abortion, period.

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If Roe v. Wade is overturned then they can. And it will already have been decided by the Supreme Court.

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j brown's body said:

In states that bean them, wealthy women can go elsewhere, poor women will seek them illegally.

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Then stop knocking up poor women.

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Blue Donkey said:

Abortion laws being passed by the states are always struck down. No state can ban abortion, period.

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How about reading what was posted before you start jerking your knee.

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Peter King said:

Yes, then if it is meaningless why add that nothing more nothing less comment to a discussion that is about state rights and the overturning of Roe v. Wade. The person of Roe is a non-issue in that.

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It was an FYI, a note of interest to me and I thought maybe to some others. If you did not care for it simply disagree and move on, don't make a federal case out it. jesssh, too many cold nights there?

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it's just me said:

Then stop knocking up poor women.

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Your argument appears to be that abortions are okay for those who can afford it.

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Dayton3 said:

If Roe v. Wade is overturned then they can. And it will already have been decided by the Supreme Court.

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Roe vs. Wade can't be overturnerd. The reason has been explained by several posters in multiple threads.

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Blue Donkey said:

Roe vs. Wade can't be overturnerd. The reason has been explained by several posters in multiple threads.

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Any Supreme Court decision can be overturned. Whether it is likely or not is another question.

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j brown's body said:

Your argument appears to be that abortions are okay for those who can afford it.

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My argument is that if you want to kill your own kid, knock yourself out. Just don't expect me to pay for it.

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it's just me said:

My argument is that if you want to kill your own kid, knock yourself out. Just don't expect me to pay for it.

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Nobody wants you to pay for it to begin with. Also, an abortion is legal, killing your child is a crime.

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Dayton3 said:

Any Supreme Court decision can be overturned. Whether it is likely or not is another question.

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The U.S. Constitution is where the ruling came from. That will never change. How do you expect the 4th, 5th, 9th, 13th, and 14th amendments to be repealed?

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year2late said:

I would be particularly interested what prolifers think. But prochoice folks are more than welcome to reply.
Do you think abortions will drastically drop?
Do you think women will find alternate pathways for abortion? If so, a little or a lot?
Do you think that there will be a large uptick in the birth of babies? Given that most women who choose abortion are under resourced and under employed...how do you see this affecting social services....and your taxes?
Seeing that those most at risk will still not be able to afford the most effective contraception....will the pro-lifers soften their views on long term implantables?
I would be interested in what people predict will happen.

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If you want to know what the conservative Christian bloc would do if they over turn Roe look at what they talk and write about the most often: belief that a fetus is a human being, religious foundation for the sin of abortion, atheist women murdering babies, contraceptives as abortifacients, designation of late term abortions as illegal post birth killing.

Based on the above it seems likely that if the bloc is politically strong enough to over-turn Roe they would in my opinion establish the following in states that had no or easily broken abortion laws; from the most likely to the least likely:

pass a law that a fertilized egg is a person and has legal rights as a person.
criminalize abortion and pass laws punishing women for getting abortions
declare women's contraceptives to be abortifacients and banned
criminalization of late term abortions for death risk or fetal malformation.
establish that the fertilized egg since it is a legal person has a Constitutional right to freedom of religion giving Christian religious organizations legal power over pregnancy from fertilized egg to birth of a child

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Blue Donkey said:

The U.S. Constitution is where the ruling came from. That will never change. How do you expect the 4th, 5th, 9th, 13th, and 14th amendments to be repealed?

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They don't have to be. All it takes is a majority of the Supreme Court deciding that they do not apply to the issue of each states rights to have their own laws governing abortion.

And "the U.S. Constitution will never change"???? WTF!!!. It has changed TWENTY SEVEN times already.

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Northern Light said:

The reality is that, although abortion is a hot button issue for social conservatives, the big players don't actually give a crap about it. It's an issue they trot out to get votes and that's about it, because for now the evangelical population and lobby have some clout. Population statistics show that by 2030, the evangelical population in the USA will reduced by half. Abortion as a political issue arose as part of the Republican Southern Strategy after their party was decimated in the 60's. With religion going the way of the dodo bird, they won't be able to rely on that strategy for much longer.

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I hope you are right because the conservative Christian goal is to establish the United States as Christian nation with Christian laws. They have stated this very bluntly.

"When political power is achieved, the moral majority will have the opportunity to re-create this great nation.”
Paul Weyrich founder along with Jerry Falwell, of the Moral Majority as a political movement.
The Real Origins of the Religious Right - POLITICO Magazine

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Blue Donkey said:

The U.S. Constitution is where the ruling came from. That will never change. How do you expect the 4th, 5th, 9th, 13th, and 14th amendments to be repealed?

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How are the 5th and 13th amendments remotely related to the issue of abortion?

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Dayton3 said:

They don't have to be. All it takes is a majority of the Supreme Court deciding that they do not apply to the issue of each states rights to have their own laws governing abortion.

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Source this legal process please.

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Dayton3 said:

How are the 5th and 14th amendments remotely related to the issue of abortion?

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The 14th is all about privacy and the federal courts have been specific about medical, family, and reproductive privacy there.

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Peter King said:

Nobody wants you to pay for it to begin with. Also, an abortion is legal, killing your child is a crime.

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BS. That's exactly what funding Planned Parenthood is all about. Many private plans are required to cover it in order to gain regulatory approval.

Blue Donkey said:

The U.S. Constitution is where the ruling came from. That will never change. How do you expect the 4th, 5th, 9th, 13th, and 14th amendments to be repealed?

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BS again. There is not a word in the Constitution about it. If you can find it, cite it. It is 100% based on a bad SCOTUS decision. This always belonged at the state level. Many states would authorize it tomorrow and everyone is free to go to those states.

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Jay59 said:

BS again. There is not a word in the Constitution about it. If you can find it, cite it. It is 100% based on a bad SCOTUS decision. This always belonged at the state level. Many states would authorize it tomorrow and everyone is free to go to those states.

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Hence her reference to the 9th Amendment...maybe you should look that up?

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Lursa said:

The 14th is all about privacy and the federal courts have been specific about medical, family, and reproductive privacy there.

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Correction, 13th amendment. and IIRC the word "privacy" is not even mentioned in the 14th amendment.

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Dayton3 said:

How are the 5th and 13th amendments remotely related to the issue of abortion?

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That was Lursa's idea, not mine.

You don't need a high school diploma to figure out why the opinion was based on the Ninth and Fourteenth, of coursse.

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Dayton3 said:

They don't have to be. All it takes is a majority of the Supreme Court deciding that they do not apply to the issue of each states rights to have their own laws governing abortion.

And "the U.S. Constitution will never change? It has changed TWENTY-SEVEN times already.

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It is literally impossible for the 14th Amendment to not apply.

You might want ot learn something about reading multiple paragraphs. I never even implied the USC can't be changed.

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Blue Donkey said:

That was Lursa's idea, not mine.

You don't need a high school diploma to figure out why the opinion was based on the Ninth and Fourteenth, of coursse.

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Actually I've always felt that the 14th Amendment which was fully intended to address the conditions of former slaves and free blacks in the United States should NEVER have been twisted to apply to a whole range of issues due to the Equal Protection Clause.