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[W:326]*****Death By Pregnancy

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In the US, it's a huge problem

In 2017, the year with the most recent global data, the United States had a higher maternal death rate than the lower-income countries of Bahrain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Iran, Japan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Portugal, Qatar, Korea, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Uruguay, according to separate data from the World Health Organization and several other groups.
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So, forced-birthers need to drop the BS lie that pregnancy is not a danger. It clearly is.

The rate of pregnancy-related deaths in the United States has steadily increased since 1987.

In 2018, the year with the most recent national data, 658 women in the United States died while pregnant, in childbirth or within 42 days after pregnancy, according to data in the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Vital Statistics Reports in January.
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So, next time you want to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term, just remember you may actually be playing a significant role in killing her.

When women die in childbirth, these are the fathers left behind - CNN
 
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Phys251 said:
Where is the outcry from the prolifers about maternal death? Why are they so silent on this?
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Because anti-abortion is not pro-life--it's forced-birth.
 
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Yes, it is bs that childbirth is dangerous when the real problem lies within the flaws of our healthcare system...fix the healthcare system 1st...these women wanted their babies...the article should be "WHY Women Die in Childbirth"...:roll:

Langston was born via a planned Cesarean section at 2:33 p.m., and after Kira was out of the operating room, Charles said that he noticed blood running through her catheter -- a sign of excessive bleeding or postpartum hemorrhage.

"I could see the Foley catheter coming from Kira's bedside begin to turn pink with blood," Charles said, adding that he told doctors numerous times about the bleeding and his concerns.

"It wasn't until 12:30 a.m. the next morning that they finally made the decision to take Kira back to surgery," he said. "When they took Kira back to surgery, and he opened her up, there were three and a half liters of blood in her abdomen, from where she had been allowed to bleed internally for almost 10 hours, and her heart stopped immediately."

At 2:22 a.m., Kira was pronounced dead at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, according to a lawsuit that Charles filed. She was 39 years old.

Overall, "Cedars-Sinai thoroughly investigates any situation where there are concerns about a patient's medical care," the hospital said.

"There is a failure and a disconnect for the people who are responsible for the lives of these precious women and babies to see them and value them in the same way that they would their daughters, their mothers, their sisters," Charles said.
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When women die in childbirth, these are the fathers left behind - CNN
 
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Elvira said:
Yes, it is bs that childbirth is dangerous when the real problem lies within the flaws of our healthcare system...fix the healthcare system 1st...these women wanted their babies...the article should be "WHY Women Die in Childbirth"...:roll:
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I agree, we do need to fix these problems. Next question is how.
 
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Elvira said:
Yes, it is bs that childbirth is dangerous when the real problem lies within the flaws of our healthcare system...fix the healthcare system 1st...these women wanted their babies...the article should be "WHY Women Die in Childbirth"...:roll:



When women die in childbirth, these are the fathers left behind - CNN
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The stats are the stats. The why is up for discussion, of course. But, fact is that in the US, childbirth is a life and death risk for the mother.
 
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calamity said:
The stats are the stats. The why is up for discussion, of course. But, fact is that in the US, childbirth is a life and death risk for the mother.
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The fact is you delivered a dishonest front about this problem...
 
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Elvira said:
The fact is you delivered a dishonest front about this problem...
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Uh, no. I stated an obvious reason why some women need the option for an abortion to remain open and accessible and, of course, perfectly legal.
 
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For women between ages 20 and 40, the average probability of death in 365 days (1 year) is 0.08%. (The rate is much higher for men, incidentally.)

The average probability of death in 316 days (9 months gestation + 42 afterward) is therefore 0.08 · 316/365 = 0.0693%.

There are 45 million women in the US between the ages of 20 and 40.

This means that in 316 days in 2018 we expect 0.0693% of 45 million = 31,200 women age 20-40 to die of all causes. In 2018, there were at least 3.79 million live births in the US, equivalent to 3.29 million live births in 316 days. The number of pregnancies is significantly larger, but not all pregnancies fall in between the years of ages 20-40, hence 3.29 million pregnancies in women age 20-40 is a good (albeit conservative) estimate.

Hence 41.71 million women were not pregnant versus 3.29 million women who were in a given 316-day period in 2018. Based on these proportions, assuming pregnant women and non-pregnant women are equally likely to die, we expect 2,280 deaths of pregnant women and 28,920 deaths of non-pregnant women.

According to @calamity's link, the number of "women in the United States [who] died while pregnant, in childbirth or within 42 days after pregnancy" in 2018 is, in actuality, 658. This would imply that the death rate for pregnant women age 20-40 is 0.02% and the death rate for non-pregnant women age 20-40 is 0.0732%, or approximately 366% as high.

Stated differently, a pregnant 20- to 40-year old woman was approximately 73% less likely to die than a 20- to 40-year-old non-pregnant woman in 2018.

So, next time you want to discourage a woman from carrying a pregnancy to term, just remember you may actually be playing a significant role in killing her.

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COTO said:
For women between ages 20 and 40, the average probability of death in 365 days (1 year) is 0.08%. (The rate is much higher for men, incidentally.)

The average probability of death in 316 days (9 months gestation + 42 afterward) is therefore 0.08 · 316/365 = 0.0693%.

There are 45 million women in the US between the ages of 20 and 40.

This means that in 316 days in 2018 we expect 0.0693% of 45 million = 31,200 women age 20-40 to die of all causes. In 2018, there were at least 3.79 million live births in the US, equivalent to 3.29 million live births in 316 days. The number of pregnancies is significantly larger, but not all pregnancies fall in between the years of ages 20-40, hence 3.29 million pregnancies in women age 20-40 is a good (albeit conservative) estimate.

Hence 41.71 million women were not pregnant versus 3.29 million women who were in a given 316-day period in 2018. Based on these proportions, assuming pregnant women and non-pregnant women are equally likely to die, we expect 2,280 deaths of pregnant women and 28,920 deaths of non-pregnant women.

According to @calamity's link, the number of "women in the United States [who] died while pregnant, in childbirth or within 42 days after pregnancy" in 2018 is, in actuality, 658. This would imply that the death rate for pregnant women age 20-40 is 0.02% and the death rate for non-pregnant women age 20-40 is 0.0732%, or approximately 366% as high.

Stated differently, a pregnant 20- to 40-year old woman was approximately 73% less likely to die than a 20- to 40-year-old non-pregnant woman in 2018.

So, next time you want to discourage a woman from carrying a pregnancy to term, just remember you may actually be playing a significant role in killing her.

:coffeepap
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Your long and statistically laden story omitted the cause of death, which was the entire point of the OP. No woman can die from pregnancy-related causes if she was not pregnant.
 
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calamity said:
Uh, no. I stated an obvious reason why some women need the option for an abortion to remain open and accessible and, of course, perfectly legal.
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What part of "these women did not want an abortion" do you not understand...abortion is not the problem in any of their cases...this is not about abortion...period, so stop trying to turn it into that...
 
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Elvira said:
What part of "these women did not want an abortion" do you not understand...abortion is not the problem in any of their cases...this is not about abortion...period, so stop trying to turn it into that...
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What part of other woman may want an abortion instead of risking death do you not understand?
 
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calamity said:
What part of other woman may want an abortion instead of risking death do you not understand?
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No one can foresee the future...besides,these women were too far along for an abortion anyway because they wanted their babies...they died during childbirth...read your own article, why don'tcha? SMH...
 
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Elvira said:
No one can foresee the future...besides,these women were too far along for an abortion anyway because they wanted their babies...they died during childbirth...read your own article, why don'tcha? SMH...
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My point stands: pregnancy in the US is risky. Lots of women die giving birth. Hence, abortion must remain accessible, legal and the risks to women during pregnancy should not be dismissed, which they often are by forced-birthers.
 
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calamity said:
My point stands: pregnancy in the US is risky. Lots of women die giving birth. Hence, abortion must remain accessible, legal and the risks to women during pregnancy should not be dismissed, which they often are by forced-birthers.
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Which has not a thing to do with this article...
 
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Elvira said:
Which has not a thing to do with this article...
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The numbers I cited from the article in the op has everything to do with my thread theme. I do not much care if you disagree, however.
 
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calamity said:
The numbers I cited from the article in the op has everything to do with my thread theme. I do not much care if you disagree, however.
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Carry on with your deception...I don't much care if everyone sees it...
 
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Elvira said:
Carry on with your deception...I don't much care if everyone sees it...
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It's not deception to point out that a lot of women in the US die from childbirth, hence justifying the need for abortion. But, I get that you might not like that argument. No worries.
 
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calamity said:
In the US, it's a huge problem



So, forced-birthers need to drop the BS lie that pregnancy is not a danger. It clearly is.



So, next time you want to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term, just remember you may actually be playing a significant role in killing her.

When women die in childbirth, these are the fathers left behind - CNN
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Pregnancy is not a danger. That 600 number is out of over 3.5 million births per year. You can say that’s a death rate of 0.0 for all intents and purposes.

Abortion however, is 100% fatal.

You’re also skipping out on the morality. Death from medical complications is a tragedy, intentionally killing a human is gravely evil. So abortion is always worse.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
Pregnancy is not a danger. That 600 number is out of over 3.5 million births per year. You can say that’s a death rate of 0.0 for all intents and purposes.

Abortion however, is 100% fatal.

You’re also skipping out on the morality. Death from medical complications is a tragedy, intentionally killing a human is gravely evil. So abortion is always worse.
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As long as you're not one of the 600, amirite?
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
Pregnancy is not a danger.
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You got your medical degree where?



Abortion however, is 100% fatal.
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Far fewer people die from legal abortion than pregnancy.


You’re also skipping out on the morality. Death from medical complications is a tragedy, intentionally killing a human is gravely evil. So abortion is always worse.
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That is your opinion, not fact. A zef is not a human being. That is fact.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
Pregnancy is not a danger. That 600 number is out of over 3.5 million births per year. You can say that’s a death rate of 0.0 for all intents and purposes.

Abortion however, is 100% fatal.

You’re also skipping out on the morality. Death from medical complications is a tragedy, intentionally killing a human is gravely evil. So abortion is always worse.
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The women that abort, are much more likely to have substandard access to medical care. She may qualify for emergency Medicaid...in many areas, Medicaid will get you into an overburdened under resourced clinic that may be two or three bus rides away. Not being easily accessible leads to more difficulty getting shifts and paying rent . She may make unfortunate decisions to skip these appointments if she feels "ok" jut to make sure she is able to scrape up enough to not be homeless.

Most women who abort are probably at greater risk due to substandard access to healthcare.

I felt fine and went in for my scheduled appointment. My experienced non hurried OB saw a subtle sign and decided to do some tests. My kidneys were under attack and I FELT FINE.

Because I was well resourced, I came out of my pregnancy with my life and was never in fear of homelessness.
 
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COTO said:
For women between ages 20 and 40, the average probability of death in 365 days (1 year) is 0.08%. (The rate is much higher for men, incidentally.)

The average probability of death in 316 days (9 months gestation + 42 afterward) is therefore 0.08 · 316/365 = 0.0693%.

There are 45 million women in the US between the ages of 20 and 40.

This means that in 316 days in 2018 we expect 0.0693% of 45 million = 31,200 women age 20-40 to die of all causes. In 2018, there were at least 3.79 million live births in the US, equivalent to 3.29 million live births in 316 days. The number of pregnancies is significantly larger, but not all pregnancies fall in between the years of ages 20-40, hence 3.29 million pregnancies in women age 20-40 is a good (albeit conservative) estimate.

Hence 41.71 million women were not pregnant versus 3.29 million women who were in a given 316-day period in 2018. Based on these proportions, assuming pregnant women and non-pregnant women are equally likely to die, we expect 2,280 deaths of pregnant women and 28,920 deaths of non-pregnant women.

According to @calamity's link, the number of "women in the United States [who] died while pregnant, in childbirth or within 42 days after pregnancy" in 2018 is, in actuality, 658. This would imply that the death rate for pregnant women age 20-40 is 0.02% and the death rate for non-pregnant women age 20-40 is 0.0732%, or approximately 366% as high.

Stated differently, a pregnant 20- to 40-year old woman was approximately 73% less likely to die than a 20- to 40-year-old non-pregnant woman in 2018.

So, next time you want to discourage a woman from carrying a pregnancy to term, just remember you may actually be playing a significant role in killing her.

:coffeepap
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None of that matters a bit. We are discussing a specific condition with a much different and more significant death rate. Not only that, that death is not predictable and not always preventable.

And then there are those that suffer severe and permanent health damage, like kidney failure, aneyrism, stroke, pre-clampsia, etc.

The number is approx 86,700/yr in the US...dead or with that severe health damage. Very very significant because every single one leaves behind grieving parents, brothers, sisters, children, relatives, friends...and if not grieving, then they must now deal with one less income (often) and perhaps lifelong care and medical bills for their loved on.

None of that applies to abortion, except perhaps devastated parents who found out their unborn was severely defective. (For elective abortion, all that would not apply, most would not even know about it)

it's amusing you seem to forget that pregnancy is a limited period and any time before or after that...those women are just as likely to die during that 20 yr period anyway AND STILL MIGHT :roll:

Btw, not buying your stats without more verification (ttwtt made a good point: Your long and statistically laden story omitted the cause of death, which was the entire point of the OP. No woman can die from pregnancy-related causes if she was not pregnant.) but my argument is still accurate.
 
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Elvira said:
No one can foresee the future...besides,these women were too far along for an abortion anyway because they wanted their babies...they died during childbirth...read your own article, why don'tcha? SMH...
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True but the point is....if abortion were illegal, women would have no choice and be condemned to take these risks against their will.
 
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