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2411 Bodies of Aborted Children Found at Abortion Doctor's Residence. Hideous and Ghoulish

Anybody who calls God a murderer when people die has just eliminated themselves from consideration as a serious debater.

Wrong as usual:

Genesis 6:7
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

mass murder by god

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by fire and rain of burning sulfur

Murders by god ones again.

Onan was killed for disobeying gods order to impregnate his dead brothers wife

From the book of genesis, murdered by god.

The firstborn of Egypt.

god ordered their murder by the angel of death

the egyptian army

murdering people yet again

Nadab and Abihu, sons of Aaron. For offering strange fire before the Lord.

more murder

Israelites who complained against god killled by fire, Israelites who complained about food and wanting to go back to Egypt were killed by the plague.

the murders continue

He also murdered people for complaining about the bread, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. To be honest the old testament was a bloodbath and most of them ordered or done by god. Mass murder on biblical scale (if the bible were accurate, it still remains a fantasy book).
 
I fear the pro-choicers might be joining Dr. Klopfer unless they, too, repent.

"You are either with Me or against Me", sayeth the Lord.

So says the Sith.
 
Who are you to say what is good or bad when you do not know the whole picture? Five years ago, I went to a daily mass, then within an hour, I missed a step, fell down steps and tore my quadriceps tendon off my kneecap. I said "This is the reward I get for going to mass". But it turns out, i had had knee and back pain for 25 years. Once I had the surgery, spent six weeks in a cast, and went through rehab, my knee and resulting back pain were completely gone. I started eating healthy and have lifted weights and done cardio ever since. The accident turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to me. But I wasn't seeing the big picture right after the accident. I didn't know there was a big picture. Just like you don't knwo when you say God is mean for letting all these apparently bad things to happen.

Great story for the religion section of the internet where you can talk about imaginary beings. This really has little or nothing to do with abortion or the right women have to choose.
 
This is the very crux of the problem. For those of whom are not religious the lines don't match up.

On one hand everyone informs me of how God is a divine spirit of kindness and love etc... and when it comes to abortion link the divine and religious beliefs to their view on abortion. Yet you then expect no comments to be made that questions God and his involvement or guidance in acts and debates such as these.

You cannot use religion to inform your decision, with a certain theology underpinning your belief and not get criticism when debating the matter.

Actually, I can. If unbelievers are debating me on my terms, talking about what God should be doing or not doing, then i will respond in kind with a reference to God. It's that simple.

Unless of course, you have no idea what you just said, which I suspect is the case.
 
Actually, I can.

I am well aware of what I am putting to you, all of which are well principled and reasoned ideas. To your point here....what you are saying is that if you bring religious principle into a debate about abortion as a means of informing your opinion, then we cannot critique that. Thats hypocrisy.

If unbelievers are debating me on my terms, talking about what God should be doing or not doing, then i will respond in kind with a reference to God. It's that simple.

No problem, however people cannot be offended if ideas or notions go against God. Thats exactly what happened in your response to Bodhisattva. Its once again this double standard.

Unless of course, you have no idea what you just said, which I suspect is the case.

I have a good and well reasoned understanding of what I put forth....its just you don't like it.
 
Actually, I can. If unbelievers are debating me on my terms, talking about what God should be doing or not doing, then i will respond in kind with a reference to God. It's that simple.

Unless of course, you have no idea what you just said, which I suspect is the case.

Read better, he said:

You cannot use religion to inform your decision, with a certain theology underpinning your belief and not get criticism when debating the matter

Seems you stopped reading at "decision" and did not read the rest of the sentence.
 
I am well aware of what I am putting to you, all of which are well principled and reasoned ideas. To your point here....what you are saying is that if you bring religious principle into a debate about abortion as a means of informing your opinion, then we cannot critique that. Thats hypocrisy.



No problem, however people cannot be offended if ideas or notions go against God. Thats exactly what happened in your response to Bodhisattva. Its once again this double standard.



I have a good and well reasoned understanding of what I put forth....its just you don't like it.

It's very hard to understand your point. I don't think anybody gets it. I guess because i was a teacher, I can make myself perfectly understood. I expect others to be able to do the same.
 
It's very hard to understand your point. I don't think anybody gets it. I guess because i was a teacher, I can make myself perfectly understood. I expect others to be able to do the same.

The fact people have liked my posts on this point would indicate otherwise.

I will make my point even clearer by asking a question.....do you agree that if you make a point about abortion that is religious that I should be able to criticise that point and the religious views it holds?

Finally if you were a teacher would you not have dealt with children who made points that were difficult to understand which means you should, if you were actually a teacher, be good at analysing and breaking down what these kids were saying? Because according to you my point is hard to understand.
 
When our society becomes civilized, it will be incomprehensible to people how those in the 2000's could have tolerated such barbarism. Much the same as we think about Auschwitz today.

Yes, we will remember a dark period in history when it comes to freedom to choose. The dark period I am talking about of course is the time when women did not have the right to choose.
 
The fact people have liked my posts on this point would indicate otherwise.

I will make my point even clearer by asking a question.....do you agree that if you make a point about abortion that is religious that I should be able to criticise that point and the religious views it holds?

Finally if you were a teacher would you not have dealt with children who made points that were difficult to understand which means you should, if you were actually a teacher, be good at analysing and breaking down what these kids were saying? Because according to you my point is hard to understand.

I thought you might have meant that, but it made no sense, seeing I responded to someone else's point who introduced God into the conversation. So your point is invalid.
Some kids were not articulate and were difficult to understand much as you were.
 
I am honestly bewildered at how this man could sleep nights with all this carnage at his own home all around him. Some people, very few, have no conscience. Hillary Clinton is another of those.

Nope, the one who has no conscience is that orange human stain Trump. I am not sure he even has a soul, maybe a dark hole but surely no soul. And not sure he has a heart either, maybe a black heart.

Clinton may be a poor excuse for a presidential candidate, when it comes to conscience she could run miles around that orange blimp Trump.
 
Nope, the one who has no conscience is that orange human stain Trump. I am not sure he even has a soul, maybe a dark hole but surely no soul. And not sure he has a heart either, maybe a black heart.

Clinton may be a poor excuse for a presidential candidate, when it comes to conscience she could run miles around that orange blimp Trump.

Somehow this was made about Trump. lol. You whiners only know one note. Again, stick to your own backward socialist hellhole country.
 
I thought you might have meant that, but it made no sense, seeing I responded to someone else's point who introduced God into the conversation. So your point is invalid.
Some kids were not articulate and were difficult to understand much as you were.

And what is the point you are seeking to make, other than trying to discredit the points I made because you simply don't like them.

At least show the courtesy to answer the question....do you agree that if you make a point about abortion that is religious that I should be able to criticise that point and the religious views it holds?

Comparing me to a kid is nothing more than a petty little insult, it once again doesn't prove anything.
 
Somehow this was made about Trump. lol. You whiners only know one note. Again, stick to your own backward socialist hellhole country.

Nope, you made this about politics, me telling what is painfully obvious for everybody (but a Trumpfanatic) to see is not a political thing, it is a moral thing. And a fact of life is that Trump has no morals, just immoral trades.

And I do not live in a socialist country, but then again, you are always wrong so it is not strange that you are totally wrong about the Netherlands too. Let us face it, the Netherlands is one of the greatest countries on earth to live. A very free society, a very safe society, a very even keeled political system (center right is the norm in the Netherlands). One of the 5 happiest countries on earth. And we have the happiest children in the world too.

So hellhole? No, you must be thinking of Trump's lack of moral, black heart and a gaping hole where compassion lives in a person. But nice try, you were as always wrong and thus you deserve this one, yet again

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When our society becomes civilized, it will be incomprehensible to people how those in the 2000's could have tolerated such barbarism. Much the same as we think about Auschwitz today.

Actually , having And keeping legal elective abortions available is a sign of a civilized society.

A few <snips> from the following:

by Joyce Arthur

Copyright © October, 1999

Abstract: This paper outlines some of the harsh realities about the incidence and safety of legal versus illegal abortion in the modern world. Countries where abortion is legal are compared to countries where it is illegal to highlight the shocking injustice being done to women who do not have access to safe, legal abortion. That, and the tragedy of unwanted children, highlights the far-reaching health and social benefits of legalized abortion.
<SNIP>

Some Basic Information about Abortion Around the World
Abortion is probably the world's most common surgical procedure.
About 46 million abortions are performed every year, 20 million of them illegal.


Abortion is practiced widely by women all over the world, across all social classes,
and regardless of laws against abortion.

Since the beginning of recorded history, abortion has been commonly practiced by almost all societies, including ancient China, Egypt, Greece, Rome, and countless others. In fact, abortion could be called a fundamental aspect of human behaviour.

But because abortion is still illegal or restricted in many countries today, two out of every five abortions in the world are performed unsafely --
by an untrained provider or in an unclean setting.
Every year, about 78,000 women die from unsafe and illegal abortions. For every death caused by unsafe abortion, several women are injured or left infertile.

One-third of the world's women do not have access to legal or safe abortion, and these women die at the rate of 330 deaths per 100,000 abortion procedures.

In contrast, the death rate from legal abortion averages 0.7 deaths per 100,000 procedures.


Over 30% of women who have an unsafe abortion suffer serious complications, such as hemorrhaging, sepsis, or infertility.
In contrast, in countries where abortion is legal and safe, the complication rate is about 1-3%, and most of the complications are of a minor nature and do not require hospitalization.

<snip>

Many women who suffer complications from unsafe, illegal abortion are afraid to come in for medical treatment, so they suffer or die without ever being counted as an abortion statistic.
When they do make it to hospital, they take up to two-thirds of the maternity beds, and up to 50% of the hospital's maternity budget.
Obviously, this seriously compromises other maternity and emergency services.

<snip>
How did the world manage to arrive at this troubling state of affairs? After all, abortion has been generally legal throughout history. By 1986, 36 countries had liberal abortion laws, and as of 1997, an additional 10 developed and 9 developing countries had also eased their laws.

The driving forces behind liberalization, then and now, were the threat to public health of illegal abortion, increasing social support for women's rights, availability of modern contraceptives, concern for the equal treatment of both poor women and rich women, decreasing influence of organized religion, and in some countries, thalidomide babies and epidemics of rubella, which created an awareness of the need for legal abortion.

Legal Abortion: the Sign of a Civilized Society
 
It's very hard to understand your point. I don't think anybody gets it. I guess because i was a teacher, I can make myself perfectly understood. I expect others to be able to do the same.

Ok I will bite....what did you teach?
 
Yes, we will remember a dark period in history when it comes to freedom to choose. The dark period I am talking about of course is the time when women did not have the right to choose.

The dark period of the Magdalene Laundries.
 
Yes, we will remember a dark period in history when it comes to freedom to choose. The dark period I am talking about of course is the time when women did not have the right to choose.

But who's 'choosing' for the little babies?

And that's where Mashmont and his pro-life team comes in.
 
But who's 'choosing' for the little babies?

And that's where Mashmont and his pro-life team comes in.

What little babies, they are either Z, E or F. And the pregnant woman gets to choose as it is her body.
 
But who's 'choosing' for the little babies?

And that's where Mashmont and his pro-life team comes in.

Interesting you seem to think your “team” has worth given what you have personally disclosed.
 
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