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Pro-lifers are hypcrites

Blue Donkey said:
Why is it that the same people who say abortion is murder and must be illegal also opposes everything that would actually reduce the number of girls and women who need them?

Most if not all "pro-lifers" say they oppose:

1. Free contraception that is easy to access
2. Mandatory sex education at every school
3. Single-payer health care/Medicare for all
4. Increasing taxes to help those in poverty
5. Paid family and sick leave for all workers

At the same time, these so-called "pro-lifers" support the right to privacy, women's health care, and some government funds going to low-income people.

If you fit this description, you don't want the mother to live. If you don't want the mother to live, you don't want the fetus to live either because it will die if she does.
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I am not pro-life, I am anti pre-born baby extermination. Sex education is essential in schools; however, the problem that many conservatives like me have with sex education in schools, is not the teaching about sex, it's all the add-ons (you're a boy but if you think you are a girl, that's wonderful type of things). I think teaching the mechanics of sex is essential, but I think some self-respect and self-control should also be taught; for example, sex is natural, wonderful etc., but how about you stop and think about whether or not, as a teenager, it is the wisest idea, because there are consequences and you may not be ready for them, which does not give you the right to punish a new life for you enjoying yourself. As for contraception, it is common sense. Why would anyone think otherwise. I have no problem with contraception being readily available...if a baby is stopped before it is formed, then abortion is unnecessary. I have no problem with contraception being free for low income earners, anything that stops an unwanted life being formed is logical. I live in a country where we have Medicare for all (I am not in private health insurance, so I pay the Medicare levy, a tax taken from my wage that contributes to health care), I also get sick leave, everyone who is not a casual worker, does. I have no problem with welfare, if it serves the purpose for which it is intended...a temporary help until one is back on their feet. However; there are generations of families that simply stay on welfare for life and that is not good psychologically for them. I was on welfare after my divorce, living in slums in Sydney until I moved down the coast. I did not shack up with some male to help pay the bills, I simply went without everything and raised my kids alone to keep them safe. Then, when the kids were teenagers, I went to Uni and began the path to get of welfare and support myself, so I have no problem with welfare.
So, yes to sex education, a huge YES to contraception, and yes to welfare.
 
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Marcus1124 said:
The AMA has said that D&E, as opposed to live delivery is never medically necessary for the life or health of the mother. ...
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Actually , abortions do prevent irreparable damage to a major bodiliy function
( stroke, heart attack , paralysis from neck down, kidney damage , liver damage ) would have occurred if the pregnancy had continued.

In 2008 there were 192 abortions to
Prevent substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function



See pages 8 and 9 of this 2008 Kansas abortion stats PDF

http://www.kdheks.gov/phi/abortion_sum/2008itopcmbnd.pdf
 
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Marcus1124 said:
Not having sex is 100 percent effective for avoiding pregnancy.

The difference today is that out of wedlock birth rates (marriage being the single most dispositive factor in being able to afford raising a child) are much higher than back in the early times.
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So what? You just ignored what I wrote...that your fantasy is 100% against natural human instincts and we have no significant reasons today, when sex is much safer, not to enjoy and share sex.

Next time you reply, please remember it's a discussion and you're supposed to actually address the arguments, not just continue on with unsupported opinion.
 
Marcus1124 said:
And what the AMA has said is that in such situations there is no medical reason that it needs to be done as a D&E resulting in abortion rather than live delivery.



In which case it is not an abortion, as it doesn't terminate the pregnancy, which ceases upon the death of the baby.



There is no waiting, the live delivery could be done in place of the D&E. Stop being obtuse, that is precisely what the medical associations have said, that there is no medical reason to do a D&E instead of a live birth.
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According to the ACOG, 3rd trimester abortion is sometimes necessary.


Abortion later in pregnancy may also be necessary when complications severely compromise a woman’s health or life,
conditions which may also reduce the possibility of fetal survival. These might include premature rupture of membranes
and infection, preeclampsia, placental abruption, and placenta accreta. Women in these circumstances may risk
extensive blood loss, stroke, and septic shock that could lead to maternal death. Politicians must never require a doctor
to wait for a medical condition to worsen and become life-threatening before being able to provide evidence-based care
to their patients, including an abortion.

Sound health policy must be based on scientific facts and evidence-based medicine. The best health care is provided free
from political interference in the patient-physician relationship.

https://www.acog.org/-/media/Depart...-Later-In-Pregnancy-February-2019-College.pdf
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Marcus1124 said:
The AMA has said that it is never medically necessary. It is a morally repugnant exercise of infanticide and it is legality is based on courts imposition of their own morals over those of the overwhelming majority of decent society.
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Abortion is not infanticide. And the ACOG disagrees. I posted a quote and a link. Got any for your claim?
 
Marcus1124 said:
The AMA has said that D&E, as opposed to live delivery is never medically necessary for the life or health of the mother. And I do not look to doctors to be the arbiters of MORAL thought.

A fetus is a human being, period. That is a matter of scientific fact, period. Whether it has legal protections is another matter entirely, but the law is not always a reflection of morality. There was a time in this country when slavery was perfectly legal and slaves were property with no legal rights no matter how many times abolitionists screeched. But eventually society came to view that position as the evil and morally repugnant one it is. Only the intellectually bereft and morally vacuous hide behind legal niceties to defend the morally reprehensible.
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The D&X procedure cannot be performed on a live fetus. It can and is performed legally on a dead fetus. This is a late term procedure done only on malformed or genetically impaired fetuses. It is never and was never performed on viable, healthy, genetically sound fetuses.

You know if you would read something besides the anti-abortion propaganda you wouldn't post so many stupid things. Only the intellectually bereft and the morally vacuous anti-abortion clauqe would consider it moral to birth a baby into a family where the chances it would be abused were almost 100%. What makes you think women can't make a decision about what is best for the future child, the family and herself? Why do you think you need to interfere in this private decision. And how are you diminished by some woman getting an abortion?
 
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