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Pro-lifers are hypcrites

minnie616 said:
Family leave is not law.

Many companies do not have a family leave.

Small companies with less than 50 employees are usually exempt from even paying a maternity leave.

It is a fact that most US companies do not have paid family leave.

Also a fact that a majority of companies that do have paid family Leave require the employ worked at that company for a least a year.

I will admit in the year it has gotten a little better.

As of about a year ago 40 percent of employers now offer paid parental leave.

The increase is evidence that employers are making their policies more responsive to workforce needs.

BTW:

President Trump promised many things that never happened such as not to touch Social Security or Medicare.
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I can see the requirement for the employee to have worked for a year. Most companies are not in the family leave business.
 
Fedor50 said:
The majority of abortions are done for reasons of convenience. Less than 2% of abortions are done for the reasons you stated.
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False. You are referring to an old outdated questionnaire.
 
Bullseye said:
I can see the requirement for the employee to have worked for a year. Most companies are not in the family leave business.
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Cherry picking.

I see you ignored the fact that as of last year only about 40 percent of companies have family leave and of of that was after a year of working for a company.
 
Moonglow said:
Don't worry I'll never tell how you abused and overused it at Gold's Gym.
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:lamo

Wow...it sounds like you have some personal experiences that you are drawing from here...do you need a safe space and someone to talk to?
 
minnie616 said:
Cherry picking.

I see you ignored the fact that as of last year only about 40 percent of companies have family leave and of of that was after a year of working for a company.
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Didn't ignore anything; I'm not obligated to comment on every sentence you post. And I did actually comment on the sentence you bolded.
 
Fedor50 said:
Killing an innocent human being for inconvenience is BAD no matter who does it. Stop justifying that which you know is wrong.
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Mighty CONVENIENT that *your* body will never, ever suffer the ravages of pregnancy, isn't it?
 
Bullseye said:
Didn't ignore anything; I'm not obligated to comment on every sentence you post. And I did actually comment on the sentence you bolded.
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Ok that line of the bolded part was from thread where the woman had an abortion because she found out she was accidentally pregnant was going to continue her pregnancy but then found out since she had not worked over a year for the company she was not yet covered.

[W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"
 
Fedor50 said:
The majority of abortions are done for reasons of convenience. Less than 2% of abortions are done for the reasons you stated.
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Fedor50 said:
Stop lying to yourself and ignoring FACTS!!!
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13 percent of women aborted because of fetal heath and 12 percent because of the pregnant woman’s health. Those two stats do not add up to less than 2 percent for convince .
 
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minnie616 said:
Ok that line of the bolded part was from thread where the woman had an abortion because she found out she was accidentally pregnant was going to continue her pregnancy but then found out since she had not worked over a year for the company she was not yet covered.

[W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"
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Sorry, but the "accidental pregnancy" in this day and age just is not convincing. At some point adults have to accept responsibility for their decisions and lives. The cause of preganncy and prevention thereof are well documented.
 
Bullseye said:
Sorry, but the "accidental pregnancy" in this day and age just is not convincing. At some point adults have to accept responsibility for their decisions and lives. The cause of preganncy and prevention thereof are well documented.
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"We tried to remember the condom, but things got a little out of hand"....the silent part being "We could not be bothered".
 
Moonglow said:
You can't be pro-life if you support the death penalty or the never-ending wars.
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The two have nothing to do with abortion...1) Death penalty is punishment for a person guilty of a heinous crime. 2) Yes, innocent lives are unfortunate casualties in war but that's why we try to avoid whenever possible.

An abortion is the killing of an INNOCENT life who has done nothing wrong. There's a wonderful thing called adoption where people who can't have babies of their own will take unwanted babies and raise them.
 
Bullseye said:
Sorry, but the "accidental pregnancy" in this day and age just is not convincing. At some point adults have to accept responsibility for their decisions and lives. The cause of preganncy and prevention thereof are well documented.
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Over 92 percent of women in the United States are being responsible and using Birth Control responsibility.
But no artifical birth control is 100 percent effective and there are “ accidenta pregnancies “ .


Actually , 64.1 percent of women in the United States use sterilization or article birth control meds or devices consistently.
Oh, and the other 34.9 are not practicing unsafe sex.

17 percent are not sexually active and another 7.5 are pregnant or trying to become pregnant.

Leaving than 8 percent who are high risk who are sexually active but not using birth control or protection.

To be fair some of those may be using the rhythm method or another natural method to try to avoid pregnancy.

Stats are from following link:

Almost Two-Thirds of Women in the U.S. Use Some Form of Birth Control | SELF
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
"We tried to remember the condom, but things got a little out of hand"....the silent part being "We could not be bothered".
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Then you were not using them consistently...Were you ?
 
cmoneal71 said:
The two have nothing to do with abortion...1) Death penalty is punishment for a person guilty of a heinous crime. 2) Yes, innocent lives are unfortunate casualties in war but that's why we try to avoid whenever possible.

An abortion is the killing of an INNOCENT life who has done nothing wrong. There's a wonderful thing called adoption where people who can't have babies of their own will take unwanted babies and raise them.
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Adoption is not an alternative to abortion.

Adoption is an alternative to not raising a baby or child after it is born.

Only about 1 percent of US women give their newborn up for adoption.

In the United States adoption agencies will not even speak to a pregnant woman about adoption until she is in her last trimester which is past the time she could chose an elective abortion.
 
Blue Donkey said:
Why is it that the same people who say abortion is murder and must be illegal also opposes everything that would actually reduce the number of girls and women who need them?

Most if not all "pro-lifers" say they oppose:

1. Free contraception that is easy to access
2. Mandatory sex education at every school
3. Single-payer health care/Medicare for all
4. Increasing taxes to help those in poverty
5. Paid family and sick leave for all workers

At the same time, these so-called "pro-lifers" support the right to privacy, women's health care, and some government funds going to low-income people.

If you fit this description, you don't want the mother to live. If you don't want the mother to live, you don't want the fetus to live either because it will die if she does.
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The argument is against killing unborn babies in the womb. Other policies are all independent anf have to stand on there own merit.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Corporate welfare should end, too, right? Including subsidies to farmers that keep the price of food down.
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As I understand it, subsidies to Farmers are generally intended to keep the price of food up. :-/.

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Scrabaholic said:
If Obama had said that (about grabbing ******s), they'd have gone nuts.
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Most of you went nuts and still dont even know what he said.
 
cmoneal71 said:
The two have nothing to do with abortion...1) Death penalty is punishment for a person guilty of a heinous crime. 2) Yes, innocent lives are unfortunate casualties in war but that's why we try to avoid whenever possible.

An abortion is the killing of an INNOCENT life who has done nothing wrong. There's a wonderful thing called adoption where people who can't have babies of their own will take unwanted babies and raise them.
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God did not give Abel the death penalty for his crime of murder. No collateral damage is not a fortune of war and we should not be arming the world to make it easier. Yet, here we are back to a God which killed 99% of all humanity because God was pissed off at the free will he supposedly gave humans...Yet you say nothing of the innocent lives God destroyed and continues to destroy.
 
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Blue Donkey said:
Thank you Phys25! It is sickening that none of them will admit the facts and keep their heads on straight.

"Abortion is murder."
"It is never moral to kill a child." (when there is no "child" yet)
"Aborion is never justified."
"There is no reason to have an abortion."

Et cetera. It never ends. And all of them are just blatant attempts to dodge the real issues that lead to abortions.
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Nobody. outside of politics, says "we are having a fetus". It is a BABY.

And let's not forget that the democratic party has become so extreme as to almost universally demand that partial birth abortion (aka infanticide) be sacrosanct, even though medical professionals have said that it is never medically necessary (even in cases where early termination of the PREGNANCY is medically required for life or health of the mother it is NEVER necessary to terminate as an abortion as opposed to early delivery of the baby live).
 
Blue Donkey said:
Why is it that the same people who say abortion is murder and must be illegal also opposes everything that would actually reduce the number of girls and women who need them?

Most if not all "pro-lifers" say they oppose:

1. Free contraception that is easy to access
2. Mandatory sex education at every school
3. Single-payer health care/Medicare for all
4. Increasing taxes to help those in poverty
5. Paid family and sick leave for all workers

At the same time, these so-called "pro-lifers" support the right to privacy, women's health care, and some government funds going to low-income people.

If you fit this description, you don't want the mother to live. If you don't want the mother to live, you don't want the fetus to live either because it will die if she does.
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The ungodly do not understand God's condemnation of sin, especially sexual sins as related to this OP. God opposes homosexuality. God opposes casual sex. God opposes exposing little kids in school to explicit sex and propaganda promoting the idea that casual sex is OK. And much more.
 
Bullseye said:
Sorry, but the "accidental pregnancy" in this day and age just is not convincing. At some point adults have to accept responsibility for their decisions and lives. The cause of preganncy and prevention thereof are well documented.
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Abortion IS responsible. It is NOT responsible to birth a child you cannot or will not take care of or to pawn it off on others to raise. Or to raise it on public assistance.
 
cmoneal71 said:
The two have nothing to do with abortion...1) Death penalty is punishment for a person guilty of a heinous crime. 2) Yes, innocent lives are unfortunate casualties in war but that's why we try to avoid whenever possible.

An abortion is the killing of an INNOCENT life who has done nothing wrong. There's a wonderful thing called adoption where people who can't have babies of their own will take unwanted babies and raise them.
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Women are not broodmares for the barren. We don't owe anyone a child. Besides, adoption is a parenting alternative, not a pregnancy alternative. In order to place for adoption, the woman must be willing to endure pregnancy and delivery.

BTW, a zef is incapable of guilt so therefore is also incapable of innocence.
 
Lursa said:
It's the ultimate in hypocrisy...remove the choice for abortion for woman to avoid a kid she cant afford so that she has to produce the kid...and then (if they could) deny them the public assistance to actually care for the child and provide a safe home. :roll:
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Um, women have plenty of options to AVOID getting pregnant in the first place, thus avoiding the cost of a child she can't afford.

If we eliminate public assistance, would that morally justify letting parents kill children that had already been born to avoid what they can't afford?

Here are some radical suggestions, it used to be considered basic morality and responsibility don't engage in activities that would lead to an unwanted and unaffordable pregnancy in the first place.
 
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