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[W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Robertinfremont said:
When was it you quit being in charge of a woman's genitalia?

What law did you try to impose on her. Surely you legislated to make your claims???? IS that true?
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Robertinfremont said:
I pray one day you will come to grips with being an authoritarian.

I went above the call of duty to try to explain things to you.'
So you refused to comprehend. I used simple English terms too.
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Robert, Robert, Robert.

Robertinfremont said:
Phys251 said:
So unless it directly harms you, one should not show concern about something? You sure you want to believe that? :lol:
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Correct.
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Since you weren't aborted, you should not show any concern about abortion. :)
 
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Phys251 said:
Robert, Robert, Robert.



Since you weren't aborted, you should not show any concern about abortion. :)
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I knew a man who confessed to me killed a man in Utah for a fee for some criminals.

I had cops as clients so told the story to one of them. I was not in Utah nor saw any shooting and the advise to me was that I was no witness and to shut up about it.

The cop said all I had was non relevant due to not witnessing a crime.

So since I did not witness the abortion. of course I could not speak of a crime, could I !!!
 
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Robertinfremont said:
I knew a man who confessed to me killed a man in Utah for a fee for some criminals.

I had cops as clients so told the story to one of them. I was not in Utah nor saw any shooting and the advise to me was that I was no witness and to shut up about it.

The cop said all I had was non relevant due to not witnessing a crime.

So since I did not witness the abortion. of course I could not speak of a crime, could I !!!
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But it didn't harm you, did it? So why concern yourself with it? :lol:
 
Re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Blarkin said:
First and foremost, the government is into our personal lives too much as it is. On top of that, tax payers should not have to shoulder that responsibility. If you cannot afford to have a child, don't have a child. If you do then it is your responsibility to take care of that child.
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Or give it up for adoption....
 
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Lursa said:
Who says it's evil?
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People with a moral compass...It's gonna suck to be you on Judgement Day.
 
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cmoneal71 said:
Or give it up for adoption....
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Adoption is not an alternative to abortion.

Adoption is an alternative to not raising a baby or child after it is born.

Only about 1 percent of US women give their newborn up for adoption.

In the United States adoption agencies will not even speak to a pregnant woman about adoption until she is in her last trimester which is past the time she could chose an elective abortion.
 
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cmoneal71 said:
People with a moral compass...It's gonna suck to be you on Judgement Day.
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Feel free to explain how it's some moral High Ground to use force (of govt, of law, of physical force) to make women remain pregnant against their will?

Please explain your feelings.

The reality is a pregnancy that isnt planned for destroys life and her ability to contribute fully to society, to fully uphold her responsibilities and obligations in life, to her other dependents. That is factual waste. Abortion only destroys the "potential" for that. Also sad, but not the same.

Pregnant women suffer, all of them. They would be aware of any disrespect and forced used upon them to make them remain pregnant against their will. There is significant risk of permanent health damage and even death.

And the unborn suffers nothing, it is not abused, it is completely unaware, there is no pain...to believe otherwise is just pure agenda-based self-indulgence.

Abortion may be necessary and sad, but it's not immoral
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Not a 100% but close when used correctly....or used at all......that is the hard part of course......we are swamped with slim and dim women who cant be bothered to make an effort....and slim and dim women who cant/wont do it right.

But see the feminists have trained them in this irresponsibility....they are now taught from birth that anything that goes wrong in their lives is not their fault.

Almost always it is a mans fault...or men.

We are so screwed.
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Poor poor men, such victims! If only they had the self-control not to place themselves into that position, where women end up with control over them! Tsk! Tsk!

Did men ever 'used to be better?' Or should they aspire to not being victims now?
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
It is well known to experts that a great many of the women who do abortion are there because they could not be bothered to do their best at fertility control.

These Feminist indoctrinated women know that they deserve skin on skin if they want it, and birth control is such a bother.

Hell most of the time they dont even need to pay full rates, if anything.

COME ON IN FOR AN ABORTION, GET IT CHEAP!
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If the men were more capable and smarter, they'd use a condom in conjunction with whatever a woman said she was using. That would make the combined bc 100%.

Maybe someone should suggest that, maybe TV commercials? Oh wait, it's been taught in sex education since at least the 70s :doh

I wonder if some men will ever catch on and learn to take responsibility for themselves and act in their own best interests, instead of playing the victim?
 
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cmoneal71 said:
Or give it up for adoption....
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There are over 100,000 children waiting for adoption now in the US. (Not in foster care, that # is 400,000). How do you morally justify encouraging a woman to have a child unnecessarily when there are already so many waiting and hoping for a family? For every new infant you add to that huge pool, it means one of those waiting will have less chance of getting a home. These kids are aware, hoping, waiting...it does them actual harm.

Not to mention that it doesnt solve the sacrifices and damage that pregnancy/childbirth do to a woman's life, her health, and her ability to take care of her current dependents, uphold her current obligations to employer, church, community, society, etc?

(And yes I can source those numbers)
 
Re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Hawkeye10 said:
Women who allow themselves to get pregnant while unemployed or changing jobs when they dont have someone to support them are irresponsible....save me the pity party please.
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Many times, I am quite sure, people get pregnant because they have not been very careful with their birth control method or just didn't use any at all and are too embarrassed to admit they just "got horny" and using birth control took a backseat. I know because I've been there and I've also been in a position where I did everything I could to NOT get pregnant at particular points in my life.

Women have a lot of control over their own conception with modern day birth control methods. Poverty and access have very little to do with not using birth control.

I think too many folks are not being honest with the above statement because they are ashamed that they 'got sloppy.' The man did too. Not just the woman.

It's a very hard force to resist or control. The sex drive I mean. I get it. But that's the bottom line in most cases. Sloppy or no birth control.:shock:
 
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The complete disregard for a new, developing human being is why people are so opposed to abortions. It is violent and goes against instinct. It really does.

The message to society is hey--we toss people away if we don't want them. No big deal. It does something to the morality of a society.
 
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SheWolf said:
I am honestly not surprised that some women would have abortions for such reasons. I once worked for a woman, and she was a horrible boss. The office was full of harassment and bullying. She started especially picking on a girl trying to have a baby, and accused her of, "throwing her career away to start a family."

When I got married, I feared she would start attacking me, and accusing me of wanting children over my career. It didn't take long until such attacks did start happening.

At one point, I wondered would happen if I had an unexpected pregnancy. It would have been so dramatic and scary. Not only is an unexpected pregnancy a very anxious experience for many women, but I feared my boss and her reaction as well. I actually thought it might be easier to have an abortion than try dealing with an unexpected pregnancy working for her. Part of me thought, I could abort and then have a baby at a better time... seems less stressful. On the other hand, I felt awful thinking that and I thought the whole situation was crazy. No woman should feel pressure to abort to make their boss happy. I ultimately wouldn't do it, but I could understand why many women would do it under than kind of pressure.

I was never pregnant working there, but I did think I could have been pregnant one time.
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I worked for a 'child hostile' company (a huge corporation in my state) during my pregnancy in 1995. I was harrassed, wrote a well written complaint letter to HR, they forced my boss to go to sensitivity training or leave the company, I left as soon as possible for maternity leave and when I returned, I had a new boss, old one quit.

File harrassment charges. HR jumped on it so fast due to pregnancy.
 
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Scarlett*12 said:
The complete disregard for a new, developing human being is why people are so opposed to abortions. It is violent and goes against instinct. It really does.

The message to society is hey--we toss people away if we don't want them. No big deal. It does something to the morality of a society.
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Zefs are not people. Be opposed to abortions all you want. If you get pregnant, by all means, gestate and give birth. But stay out of *my* uterus and my medical choices.
 
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Scarlett*12 said:
Many times, I am quite sure, people get pregnant because they have not been very careful with their birth control method or just didn't use any at all and are too embarrassed to admit they just "got horny" and using birth control took a backseat. I know because I've been there and I've also been in a position where I did everything I could to NOT get pregnant at particular points in my life.

Women have a lot of control over their own conception with modern day birth control methods. Poverty and access have very little to do with not using birth control.

I think too many folks are not being honest with the above statement because they are ashamed that they 'got sloppy.' The man did too. Not just the woman.

It's a very hard force to resist or control. The sex drive I mean. I get it. But that's the bottom line in most cases. Sloppy or no birth control.:shock:
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You are mistaken.

In the United States less than 8 percent of women ( of childbearing bearing years ) who are not trying to become pregnant are sexually active and not using any birth control meds or devices. To be fair they may be using the rhythm method or another natural type method to try to avoid pregnancy.

Yes, 64.1 percent of women use sterilization or birth control meds or devices consistently.

Oh, and as for 35.1 percent of women who aren’t using contraception? They’re not all just having unsafe sex. About half of them (17 percent of the respondents) hadn’t had sex in the past three months while the rest were either pregnant, postpartum or trying to conceive (7.5 percent)
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Which leaves 7.9 who are sexually active but don’t use a protection to keep from becoming pregnant.

Almost Two-Thirds of Women in the U.S. Use Some Form of Birth Control | SELF
 
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Re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

I sit on that side of the fence also. My body, mind your own business. However, no doctor in the world would amputate your arm because you didn't want it. So it really isn't my body, mind your own business for many body things.
 
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No way to know those kind of statistics. I am 57 years old and have never been asked or surveyed or polled about my birth control habits. I am a woman in the United States my whole life. No one has ever asked me those questions. So those numbers aren't based on reality. My statement about birth control is based on first hand testimony from friends and people I know who have had abortions myself included. And I know a lot of people.
 
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A woman is free to do what she wants (free will). However, government and other people are not obliged to help her "do it." A woman is free to prevent conception also. Once you have sex you have to be willing to accept that you may become pregnant. Responsible people accept the responsibility of that decision 100%. If you don't want to raise a child right now, it is your responsible NOT to get pregnant. There's plenty of solid birth control out there in the open market.

It's simple.
 
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Many don't seem to. I didn't. I made the right decision for myself and for my unborn baby. The negative circumstances far outweighed everything else. I happily had my first child 14 years later when I could support him and there was a father in the picture.
 
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Scarlett*12 said:
I sit on that side of the fence also. My body, mind your own business. However, no doctor in the world would amputate your arm because you didn't want it. So it really isn't my body, mind your own business for many body things.
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States have a right to protect its citizens from unsafe procedures.

When states first started to ban abortions they were unsafe for the woman. ( the citizen ).

By the 1970s (when Roe was decided ) Abortions performed by doctors in a medical setting before viabilly were safer for women than pregnancy and childbirth.

Therefor states may longer ban no longer ban abortions before viability as an unsafe medical procedure.
 
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Scarlett*12 said:
No way to know those kind of statistics. I am 57 years old and have never been asked or surveyed or polled about my birth control habits. I am a woman in the United States my whole life. No one has ever asked me those questions. So those numbers aren't based on reality. My statement about birth control is based on first hand testimony from friends and people I know who have had abortions myself included. And I know a lot of people.
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Pharmacy’s and medical suppliers know how many birth control pills and supplies are being used and sold.
 
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Scarlett*12 said:
A woman is free to do what she wants (free will). However, government and other people are not obliged to help her "do it." A woman is free to prevent conception also. Once you have sex you have to be willing to accept that you may become pregnant. Responsible people accept the responsibility of that decision 100%. If you don't want to raise a child right now, it is your responsible NOT to get pregnant. There's plenty of solid birth control out there in the open market.

It's simple.
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And if you do be responsible and get an abortion
 
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Scarlett*12 said:
Many don't seem to. I didn't. I made the right decision for myself and for my unborn baby. The negative circumstances far outweighed everything else. I happily had my first child 14 years later when I could support him and there was a father in the picture.
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Many don’t seem to ?....
What kind of answer is that ?

Many don’t seem to what?

Who and what question are you responding to?

If you are responding to certain quote you should click on the “ respond with Quote feature at the bottom.

Otherwise it is very hard for many to understand especially when you make a comment like:

I didn’t.

You didn’t what ?

What didn’t you do?

Or a comment like ... I waited 14 years later. 14 years later .

14 years later than what ?

14 years than the day you were born?

14 years later than when you first stated school ?

14 years later than when you had your first period ?

14 years later than after your wedding date?

The 14 years has no meaning to anyone who reads your post the way it stands.
 
Re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Scarlett*12 said:
I sit on that side of the fence also. My body, mind your own business. However, no doctor in the world would amputate your arm because you didn't want it. So it really isn't my body, mind your own business for many body things.
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There are no laws against it, though. There are no laws against abortion at any stage for any reason in my country, yet doctors will not do it past viability. That is their right.

Please use the quote feature so we know who you are replying to.
 
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minnie616 said:
Pharmacy’s and medical suppliers know how many birth control pills and supplies are being used and sold.
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:doh.
 
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