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[W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Acting In a moral and good manner often carries pain and suffering with it.

Doing evil usually brings (at least short term) benefit. No one would follow the evil path if it brought only misery.

Women never do evil when they decide to have their pregnancies aborted for health reasons.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

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If prolifers really wanted to reduce the number of abortions, this is what they would be focusing on. Some women choose to abort because they come to the decision that the deck is too stacked against them to bring a child into this world.

Prolifers usually hate these very policies that would reduce the number of abortions. :shrug:

she should not have got herself knocked up
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Acting In a moral and good manner often carries pain and suffering with it.

Doing evil usually brings (at least short term) benefit. No one would follow the evil path if it brought only misery.

Just an FYI (because you need it), moral, good manner and evil are not defined universally but rather by each individual society's mores.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Just an FYI (because you need it), moral, good manner and evil are not defined universally but rather by each individual society's mores.

Agreed. Some views are almost cult-like.

"He who knows the least obeys the best."*


*I dont know who said this ^^, for attribution purposes. Anyone know?
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Just an FYI (because you need it), moral, good manner and evil are not defined universally but rather by each individual society's mores.

Moral, is an objective standard, an immoral act can never be moral regardless of cultural norms.

Murder is never moral, stealing is never moral, rape is never moral, by claiming these are subjective judgment calls you are in effect saying law is mere personal feeling.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Those are not facts. Those are your lies.

Do you believe rape is wrong? If a majority of legislators repealed the criminal law on rape would you regard rape is a wrong act?

And it a majority of legislators passed a law saying abortion is murder would you then accept abortion as murder with no question?

If lawmakers did this, several women would file lawsuits and win.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

If lawmakers did this, several women would file lawsuits and win.

Ok that’s not the question and you are deflecting.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Your view of life is not remotely realistic...and would be miserable.

I'm glad that no one else is condemned to it but it is open to anyone that chooses it.

Life does come first...a life of enrichment and sacrifice and contributions and responsibilities and happiness and sadness...not just a heartbeat. "Life" is more than just physiological functions.

I believe in quality of life, not quantity.

So science isn’t realistic. Got it. What part would be miserable? Living versus not living? What? [emoji849]

I believe someone’s quality of life is not justification to kill another.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Forget about it. That would require repealing the Ninth and Fourteenth Amendments, which were both used in the Roe vs. Wade ruling to confirm abortion is legal.

The Fourteenth desperately needs repealing anyway. It was never intended to be used in the way it has been used many times in the modern era.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

LOL Chalk up another person who apparently doesn’t understand written English. Sad!

You are the one who does not understand written English. Not just apparently, but obviously, because you keep saying abortion is murder no matter how many times everyone else says that is not true and have never posted any links to prove others wrong. I am still waiting along with everyone else for you to prove all of your statements - and only yours - are facts. The only reason you have not done so yet is they are all lies. I always say I am right until proven wrong.
 
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re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

I don’t care what your excuses are. If you need to kill someone because of your decisions not theirs, that makes you the bad person.

Yes. If your economic situation is so dire, sex is not a necessity. Or she could have got a job too.

I’d rather make divorce lawyers happy, who aren’t killing people, than abortion doctors who are.

That’s the funny thing over the whole pro-life movement. Life comes first. Not your sexual pleasure.

except for the womans life you mean lol
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Moral, is an objective standard, an immoral act can never be moral regardless of cultural norms.

Murder is never moral, stealing is never moral, rape is never moral, by claiming these are subjective judgment calls you are in effect saying law is mere personal feeling.

This post would get you a failing grade if you attend school. It's structured on fallacy.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

The Fourteenth desperately needs repealing anyway. It was never intended to be used in the way it has been used many times in the modern era.

That is the biggest lie I ever read on an abortion forum. You obviously only said that because you hate the Roe vs. Wade decision and did not read a single word of it or else would have responded like a mature adult.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

1.) Please lets!!!!
2.) im fine with that definition!
3.) the left? LMAO theres only ONE factual definition and you posted it, also the major of people on the right think abortion should be legal in some cases and MILLIONS on the right have had abortions so this isnt a left right thing its a facts thing. Try again
4.) No not technically, factually
5.) I am a Christian, that doesn't mean i get to make up my own facts and right to life, if one believes in such applies to BOTH lives not just the ZEF
6.) No its not true and no abortion isnt murder again based on facts and definitions and im "a follower"

Abortion is not equal to murder and it never will be. Facts and definitions make it that way and theres no changing it.

The real question you need to ask yourself is:
Do abortion clinics classify as a slaughterhouses?

1)Lets talk about the definition of "technically"
according to the facts or exact meaning of something; strictly.

So technically, technically was the right word you use. So how that works? lol

2) Your failure to distinguish morality from legality is noted (this is usually a major sticking point for leftists because they lack spiritual perspective). Murder is not a static "term" and at different points in history has been used to cover crimes of abortion. Yes, the same actions that go down at your local planned parenthood abortion slaughterhouse have been considered murder. Before 1973 a number of US laws made abortion illegal.

2) You are mistaken, most abortionists stand with the liberal left, at least all the people that want to EXPAND abortion rights. Did you forget that in the last 40 years it's generally the liberal "left" who come to the defense of abortion and fighting tooth and nail to further the cause? LOL true conservatives are nary to be found!
Planned Parenthood spent close to 50 million on defeating Trump. Now put your foot in your mouth.

3)Not sure what you are cracking up about - that is merely the justification the left uses since it's been signed into law

4)It's guilt by association. Remember: You are coming to the defense of one of the most heinous acts that humans can commit.

So we have established:
a) abortion perspective is most definitely correlated with political persuation
b) abortion is homicide
c) abortion clinics may also be considered slaughterhouses
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

The best way to reduce abortion is for a woman not to get pregnant. You see, weaver2, it is this minor thing that many in America have forgotten about and/or have not been taught about either by their parents or the socialistic public skools. It might sound like a minor thing to a leftist/socialist/Marxist. It is called personal responsibility.

You see, a woman doesn't just become pregnant. You may be too young to know this, but babies aren't implanted by storks or some magic trick. There is something a woman has to do (Unless she is Mother Mary) to become pregnant. Some of your school friends could tell you what that is. If she doesn't engage in that "thing" it is a certainty she will NOT have a bay. There are other ways to weaver2. There are measures the woman can take to never become pregnant because of modern medicine and the invention of rubber. Those things are super cheap too. Less than a cell phone bill.

You want to talk about responsibility. Great topic. The anti-abortion movement advocates that a child be born from every pregnancy, whether that child can be supported or not, whether the family wanted it or not, whether the addition of an unwanted baby to an unstable family situation will end in the child being abused and sent to foster care or not, whether that child will almost certainly end up dropping out of school, or on welfare or in jail or on drugs or dealing drugs or homeless or alcoholic you don't care. Anti-abortion advocates just want to make sure women get retribution and punishment.

An unwanted child is almost always costs society money and trouble. Never mind that the child's life is for himself/herself chaotic, unloving, insecure and poor. I suggest you read the statistics is you don't believe me. Forcing this child to be born in spite of the fact that the woman said she and her family could not support a child, is not just irresponsible it is a soulless and cruel way of carrying out the anti-abortion agenda. Anti-abortion is hands down the most irresponsible thing society can do.

Anti-abortion isn't just irresponsible it's ignorant and the people that support it are mostly old conservative males who have a deep and abiding need to punish young women especially if there is evidence that they have been having sex. Why else are they calling for every pregnancy to end with a birth, when they know that child will almost certainly end up raising their taxes if it is not to punish women.

They are not saving innocent unborn babies. If that really was their goal they would be supporting all the programs that reduce unplanned pregnancies and abortions. They don't, in fact they support just the opposite programs, abstinence only sex-ed, closing PP, shooting abortion providers, screaming at women going into clinics, banning insurance that covers contraceptive that a woman controls, cutting family aid, refusing to raise the minimum wage.

The only goal is making a woman produce a child. There is no justification for forced birth. It's irresponsible.

51% of all women that get abortions were using birth control when they got pregnant. 16% of women getting abortions are women coming from countries that had no legal access to contraceptive that women have control over. 3% of the women are getting late abortions abortions because of the risk of death, theirs or the fetuses. 2% thought they were post menopausal and conceived. 12% were teens and yes they are immature, irresponsible and probably did have honest, science based, intelligent sex-ed. But most women are responsible and using contraceptives. It's a measure of your disrespect for women that you posted the drivel above.
 
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re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

1.)The real question you need to ask yourself is:
Do abortion clinics classify as a slaughterhouses?

2)Lets talk about the definition of "technically"
according to the facts or exact meaning of something; strictly.

So technically, technically was the right word you use. So how that works? lol

3) Your failure to distinguish morality from legality is noted (this is usually a major sticking point for leftists because they lack spiritual perspective). Murder is not a static "term" and at different points in history has been used to cover crimes of abortion. Yes, the same actions that go down at your local planned parenthood abortion slaughterhouse have been considered murder. Before 1973 a number of US laws made abortion illegal.

4) You are mistaken, most abortionists stand with the liberal left, at least all the people that want to EXPAND abortion rights. Did you forget that in the last 40 years it's generally the liberal "left" who come to the defense of abortion and fighting tooth and nail to further the cause? LOL true conservatives are nary to be found!
Planned Parenthood spent close to 50 million on defeating Trump. Now put your foot in your mouth.

5)Not sure what you are cracking up about - that is merely the justification the left uses since it's been signed into law

6)It's guilt by association. Remember: You are coming to the defense of one of the most heinous acts that humans can commit.

7.) So we have established:a) abortion perspective is most definitely correlated with political persuation
8.) abortion is homicide abortion clinics may also be considered slaughterhouses

1.) nope that question is meaningless to the abortion topic and the fact that abortion is not equal to murder
2.) like i said im fine with that definition
3.) factually wrong that distinguish isnt needed and morals are subjective therefore meanignless to the topic that abortion factually is not equal to murder . .nice failed strawman though LMAO
4.) wrong again , MY statment and what I actually said stands, read it slower this time
here Ill repeat it, the majority of people on the right think abortion should be legal in some case, MILLIONS on the right have had abortions, making this not a right left issue, but again thanks for the failed strawman
5.) laughing at your false claim about the left and facts winning over and over again its awesome

6.) You are welcome to that opinion its meaningless to the fact abortion is not equal to murder

7.) nope you falsely claimed that, facts prove otherwise and its meaningless to the fact abortion is not equal to murder
8.) See #7
9.) see #7


That was fun but here we are in the same spot and facts havent changed

FACTS:
abortion =/= murder

Please let us know when you can post one fact that proves otherwise, thanks!
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

1.) nope that question is meaningless to the abortion topic and the fact that abortion is not equal to murder
2.) like i said im fine with that definition
3.) factually wrong that distinguish isnt needed and morals are subjective therefore meanignless to the topic that abortion factually is not equal to murder . .nice failed strawman though LMAO
4.) wrong again , MY statment and what I actually said stands, read it slower this time
here Ill repeat it, the majority of people on the right think abortion should be legal in some case, MILLIONS on the right have had abortions, making this not a right left issue, but again thanks for the failed strawman
5.) laughing at your false claim about the left and facts winning over and over again its awesome

6.) You are welcome to that opinion its meaningless to the fact abortion is not equal to murder

7.) nope you falsely claimed that, facts prove otherwise and its meaningless to the fact abortion is not equal to murder
8.) See #7
9.) see #7


That was fun but here we are in the same spot and facts havent changed

FACTS:
abortion =/= murder

Please let us know when you can post one fact that proves otherwise, thanks!

1) I was being serious. Could you consider abortion clinics on par with slaughterhouses?
Do you think there are rooms filled with dead babies, or babies internal organs?

3)I never said you had a problem with the definition with murder, only that abortion is technically NOT murder (yet very closely connected to the term)
4)If you don't think at this late stage of the game that abortion ISNT politically driven we are finished here.
You don't just expect planned parenthood dedicate nearly $50 million in opposition to Trump if it ISNT politically motivated

Do the math and connect the dots, if you are able.

Like I said, we are done here because you seem to have a relatively low understanding of abortion. Kind of like... what do you call a person with low intellect, who thinks he is smart? In other words, you are not working with all the factors at play here so your conclusions will always be drawn in error.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

1) I was being serious. Could you consider abortion clinics on par with slaughterhouses?
2.) Do you think there are rooms filled with dead babies, or babies internal organs?

3)I never said you had a problem with the definition with murder, only that abortion is technically NOT murder (yet very closely connected to the term)
4)If you don't think at this late stage of the game that abortion ISNT politically driven we are finished here.
You don't just expect planned parenthood dedicate nearly $50 million in opposition to Trump if it ISNT politically motivated

Do the math and connect the dots, if you are able.

Like I said, we are done here because you seem to have a relatively low understanding of abortion. Kind of like... what do you call a person with low intellect, who thinks he is smart? In other words, you are not working with all the factors at play here so your conclusions will always be drawn in error.

BWHAHAHAHAHA holy posted meltdown batman!!! GRRRRRRRRRRR
another post full of lies, failed strawmen, failed person attacks but yet . . . . .not ONE fact changing anything . . . not one . . . . . I love it!!!


Facts:
abortion =/= murder

if ANYBODY can factually prove otherwise please let us know, thanks!!!
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

BWHAHAHAHAHA holy posted meltdown batman!!! GRRRRRRRRRRR
another post full of lies, failed strawmen, failed person attacks but yet . . . . .not ONE fact changing anything . . . not one . . . . . I love it!!!


Facts:
abortion =/= murder

if ANYBODY can factually prove otherwise please let us know, thanks!!!

Dude, you fail hard. Especially when you fail to see abortion along political lines.

This reveals a HUGE hole in your thinking. Makes me think I'm talking to a third grader who memorized a few index cards.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Moral, is an objective standard, an immoral act can never be moral regardless of cultural norms.

Murder is never moral, stealing is never moral, rape is never moral, by claiming these are subjective judgment calls you are in effect saying law is mere personal feeling.

Moral is always subjective.
Abortion is never murder.

If you are right and everyone else is wrong, you would have posted a lot of links to prove it already. You therefore proved yourself wrong by making statements with no factual proof.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

dude, you fail hard. Especially when you fail to see abortion along political lines.

This reveals a huge hole in your thinking. Makes me think i'm talking to a third grader who memorized a few index cards.

grrrrrrrr!!!!!:2mad:

LMAO another delicious dodge and the posted meltdown continues.

FACTS:
abortion =/= murder

if ANYBODY can factually prove otherwise please let us know, thanks!!!
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

So science isn’t realistic. Got it. What part would be miserable? Living versus not living? What? [emoji849]

I believe someone’s quality of life is not justification to kill another.

Science is objective...science doesnt recognize rights for anyone. Certainly not a right to life.

Who says the unborn should have a right to life? What authority?

Rights are a man-made concept and we've codified our rights in the Constitution, which laws are then based on. Nowhere in the Const are the recognized as having rights, and more than one SCOTUS decision, like RvW, specifically state that's not supported.

Here's an example tho:

1 U.S. Code SS 8 - “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
(a)In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.

(b)As used in this section, the term “born alive”, with respect to a member of the species homo sapiens, means the complete expulsion or extraction from his or her mother of that member, at any stage of development, who after such expulsion or extraction breathes or has a beating heart, pulsation of the umbilical cord, or definite movement of voluntary muscles, regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut, and regardless of whether the expulsion or extraction occurs as a result of natural or induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.
 
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grrrrrrrr!!!!!:2mad:

LMAO another delicious dodge and the posted meltdown continues.

FACTS:
abortion =/= murder

if ANYBODY can factually prove otherwise please let us know, thanks!!!

okay I already said that, only that the two words are very closely linked.

Main takeaway here is that abortion can be considered homicide, right?
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

I am done with this thread because it is nothing but telling stupid lies, personal attacks, and dodging questions by some broken record pro-lifers.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

An unwanted child is almost always costs society money and trouble. .

Prove it.
 
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