[W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Robertinfremont said:

This could be my argument only about the 2nd Amendment with Democrats trying to rip away my guns. Strange parallel arguments.

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This thread is about abortion. .it has nothing to do with guns or posting lies about democrats nor are they parallel arguments. LMAO

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Phys251 said:

As a political position, not a personal one, prolife is on far, far worse footing than the pro-choice position ever will be.



And that's fine. Pro-CHOICE means that a womb owner is entitled to control what goes on in their own wombs. You chose to continue with that pregnancy, and I respect your decision.

What you don't get to do is tell other women what to do with their own wombs.


Keep that virtue signal flying high, trix! It just might work at some point! :lamo

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Pro-life is the only logical position that doesn’t resort to utilitarianism. All the arguments for abortion can be made to justify genocide. There is no limiting moral principle between aborting babies and executing homeless people other then your subjective feelings.

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

EMNofSeattle said:

Pro-life is the only logical position that doesn’t resort to utilitarianism. All the arguments for abortion can be made to justify genocide. There is no limiting moral principle between aborting babies and executing homeless people other then your subjective feelings.

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Why do you feel entitled to force a woman what to do with her genitals, EMN?

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Phys251 said:

Why do you feel entitled to force a woman what to do with her genitals, EMN?

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Lol. Ok man. Nice deflection but it’s irrelevant as it doesn’t address my argument.

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

EMNofSeattle said:

Lol. Ok man. Nice deflection but it’s irrelevant as it doesn’t address my argument.

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You prolifers feel entitled to legislate what women and girls can and cannot do with their genitals. In fact, I'm not even sure if y'all believe they deserve the rights to bodily autonomy. It's very difficult to tell with you people. :shrug:

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EMNofSeattle said:

Pro-life is the only logical position that doesn’t resort to utilitarianism. All the arguments for abortion can be made to justify genocide. There is no limiting moral principle between aborting babies and executing homeless people other then your subjective feelings.

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Aaaaaaand another posted hilarious lie :lamo

Abortion =/= geneocide

again why post so many lies that instantly fail and that nobody honest educated and objective will ever take seriously?

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

EMNofSeattle said:

Lol. Ok man. Nice deflection but it’s irrelevant as it doesn’t address my argument.

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What argument? Your posts have been destroyed and pointed out for the lies they are at every turn and its hilarious!

Your posts amount to . . "hey my feelings and lies should be taken seriously and made law even though they violate women's rights and treat them as a lesser" .

FACTS
Morals are subjective
ABortion =/= murder
abortion =/= genocide

If you or ANYBODY can factually prove otherwise please do so now, thanks!


opcorn2:

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Phys251 said:

You prolifers feel entitled to legislate what women and girls can and cannot do with their genitals. In fact, I'm not even sure if y'all believe they deserve the rights to bodily autonomy. It's very difficult to tell with you people. :shrug:

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Bodily autonomy is modernist invention, no one has a right to bodily autonomy, you have privileges to such contingent on you not causing harm to other people or society as a whole

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

AGENT J said:

What argument? Your posts have been destroyed and pointed out for the lies they are at every turn and its hilarious!

Your posts amount to . . "hey my feelings and lies should be taken seriously and made law even though they violate women's rights and treat them as a lesser" .

FACTS
Morals are subjective
ABortion =/= murder
abortion =/= genocide

If you or ANYBODY can factually prove otherwise please do so now, thanks!


opcorn2:

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You have not factually proven anything. You assert without support.

I have logically constructed an argument for abortion as murder, which precludes your use of civil law or your own definition and you have not disproved it.

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

AGENT J said:

Aaaaaaand another posted hilarious lie :lamo

Abortion =/= geneocide

again why post so many lies that instantly fail and that nobody honest educated and objective will ever take seriously?

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Unfounded assertion. You have not defined genocide nor constructed a definition that precludes abortion.

And also you have not accurately characterized my argument. I said there is no logical cause for legal abortion that cannot also be used to justify genocide as there is no objective limiting principle. So much fail.

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Moonglow said:

Yet it is impossible to take away your guns if you don't let them.

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Yes, such as Austrians did, I suppose is your argument?

Know how it happened, First they were not protected. Second they are essentially wimps.

What have I said many times, only to read loyal Democrats reject it even though if the public is wildly in favor, they could win in a landslide, according to them.

Do what Australia did, change the law. Stop blaming the Supreme Court only later to blurt out, but the Court does not make up laws.

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

EMNofSeattle said:

Bodily autonomy is modernist invention, no one has a right to bodily autonomy, you have privileges to such contingent on you not causing harm to other people or society as a whole

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Well go have surgery and see (assuming you are of sound mind and over 18)whether anyone else can consent on your behalf.

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

EMNofSeattle said:

Unfounded assertion. You have not defined genocide nor constructed a definition that precludes abortion.

And also you have not accurately characterized my argument. I said there is no logical cause for legal abortion that cannot also be used to justify genocide as there is no objective limiting principle. So much fail.

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The basis of the Democrat party has a number of components.

1. Outlandish claims their opponents are liars.
2. That even though the Democrats love to make up laws, to rule over all of us, they suddenly can't make up rules about abortions. Funny how that works.
3. Fascism. Democrats are at their roots, nothing more than fascists. Fascism was congratulated by Lenin, clearly a hard core left winger, a Communist. Yet he congratulated Mussoline for his fascism.
4. Even though Hitler was a Socialist, they call him right wing. Even though his party was both NATIONILISTS, BUT SOCIALIST. I can't see any path to him not being Socialist.
5. Democrats actually were followers of Hitler for the period of 1933 to 1939, perhaps later. I doubt Democrats truly gave a damn about Poland. Hitler engaged in the Final Solution in not 1939, but in 1942.

As to abortion of the unborn child, though Democrats will constantly get angry at us over women's rights, NEVER do they get angry were we to say the men who fathered her child, has ZERO rights. Even the woman's own husband has NO rights they tell us.

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Phys251 said:

You prolifers feel entitled to legislate what women and girls can and cannot do with their genitals. In fact, I'm not even sure if y'all believe they deserve the rights to bodily autonomy. It's very difficult to tell with you people. :shrug:

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So prostitution should be legal at all times in all cities!!!!! But wait, just who created laws against the woman's rights to use her genitals as she wishes?

"In November 2012, the Californian government passed Proposition 35 through ballot initiative, meaning that anyone who is a registered sex offender—including sex workers and those whose actions were not Internet-based—to turn over a list of all their Internet identifiers and service providers to law enforcement. The law expands the definition of trafficking to anyone who benefits financially from prostitution, regardless of intent, and sex workers have not only opposed the further criminalization of their work, but also the portrayal of all sex workers as victims that the law perpetuates.[3] The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Northern California (ACLU-NC) and the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) filed a federal class-action lawsuit to block implementation of unconstitutional provisions of Proposition 35 in mid-2013 and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco heard oral arguments on September 10, 2013.[4][5] As of February 12, 2014, further information on the outcome of this lawsuit are yet to be published.

A media article published on February 8, 2014, provided details of a police sting operation in the Sonoma County area of California and the police officers involved experienced difficulties with the very high number of respondents to the false advertisement that they published on the Internet. After several hours, 10 men were arrested, followed by the arrest of former prosecutor and judicial candidate John LemMon—the authorities involved stated that the market is overwhelming. At the same time, the county District Attorney's Office is establishing a version of the FOPP for Sonoma County and the program will be active in mid-2014.[6]

On February 11, 2014, sex worker activists protested a San Francisco anti-trafficking panel discussion held by the San Francisco Collaborative Against Human Trafficking, as they believe that it will further criminalize adults in the sex industry. Maxine Doogan, an organizer with the Erotic Service Providers Union, stated: "Their goal is to disappear the whole sex industry by criminalizing the people that participate in it. Targeting our customers is a flawed approach." Doogan also included in a press release announcing the protest that the term "john" as a descriptor for sex work clients is demeaning and dehumanizes customers.[7]"

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Hawkeye10 said:

Let us not vacate all forms of personal responsibly.......Victim Culture's "Its never my fault, it is always someones else fault!" was always the path of twats.

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Not if you follow the current president. Sorry, I couldn’t help myself!

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

EMNofSeattle said:

Abortion is not a religious rite, and Also, I would propose ban on abortion has nothing to do with religion because it applies to every woman equally regardless of what her religion or lack there of is.

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The anti-abortion movement has a great deal to do with religion. It was started by Catholic priests. It was joined and expanded by to prominent Protestants, Jerry Falwell and Paul Weyrich. The primary objection to abortion is that abortions is against God's will. Almost all of the 100s of anti-abortion organizations are directly or indirectly started and funded by churches. Almost all members of these organizations are connected through churches and rely on church dogma to support their belief that abortion is murder and a sin.

And if men got pregnant abortion would be a religious rite.

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

EMNofSeattle said:

Abortion is murder. Murder is the unjust taking of innocent life, a baby is innocent life, hence ending it is murder. You need to disprove that an unborn baby is innocent or human life to make your statement true.

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Incorrect. Murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of a person (human being). Abortion is legal, therefore it CANNOT be murder.

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Lursa said:

Minnie has links for stats on bc use and the rate is higher than what you posted...closer to 2/3 of all couples use bc.

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I believe weaver2 is talking about women who were using contraception and abort when it fails.

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

EMNofSeattle said:

1.)You have not factually proven anything. You assert without support.
1.)I have logically constructed an argument for abortion as murder, which precludes your use of civil law or your own definition and you have not disproved it.

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1.) aaaaaaand another delicious DODGE!!!! LMAO
2.) yes, you have stated your factual wrong feelings over and over again while people mocked them and pointed out you have n facts to support them.

soooooooooo, here we are in the same spot. Your claims still have zero facts to support them and make them true.

FACTS
Morals are subjective
ABortion =/= murder
abortion =/= genocide

If you or ANYBODY can factually prove otherwise please do so now, thanks!



Who bets my request is dodged and run from again?

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AGENT J said:

1.) aaaaaaand another delicious DODGE!!!! LMAO
2.) yes, you have stated your factual wrong feelings over and over again while people mocked them and pointed out you have n facts to support them.

soooooooooo, here we are in the same spot. Your claims still have zero facts to support them and make them true.

FACTS
Morals are subjective
ABortion =/= murder
abortion =/= genocide

If you or ANYBODY can factually prove otherwise please do so now, thanks!



Who bets my request is dodged and run from again?

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You are making unfounded assertions and not addressing the argument. You are a dishonest person.

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

EMNofSeattle said:

Unfounded assertion. You have not defined genocide nor constructed a definition that precludes abortion.

And also you have not accurately characterized my argument. I said there is no logical cause for legal abortion that cannot also be used to justify genocide as there is no objective limiting principle. So much fail.

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aaaaaaaaaand yet another delicious dodge that amounts to you simply stomping your feet and saying nu huh!!!! and not one single fact to support your posted lies and claims I LOVE IT! LMAO

FACTS
Morals are subjective
ABortion =/= murder
abortion =/= genocide

Ill ask you AGAIN . . If you or ANYBODY can factually prove otherwise please do so now, thanks!

opcorn2:

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Scrabaholic said:

Incorrect. Murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of a person (human being). Abortion is legal, therefore it CANNOT be murder.

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Abortion is not legal, it is not punished by the current state, but any law permitting murder is illegitimate on its face.

Ask Adolf Eichmann how this defense worked out, I don’t know though if you can, it’s pretty hard to answer questions after you’re hung.

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

EMNofSeattle said:

You are making unfounded assertions and not addressing the argument. You are a dishonest person.

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Translation: there are no facts to support your false claims and instead failed deflections are posted.

Please let u know when facts can be presented to support your false claims. Thanks!

FACTS
Morals are subjective
ABortion =/= murder
abortion =/= genocide

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

weaver2 said:

The anti-abortion movement has a great deal to do with religion. It was started by Catholic priests. It was joined and expanded by to prominent Protestants, Jerry Falwell and Paul Weyrich. The primary objection to abortion is that abortions is against God's will. Almost all of the 100s of anti-abortion organizations are directly or indirectly started and funded by churches. Almost all members of these organizations are connected through churches and rely on church dogma to support their belief that abortion is murder and a sin.

And if men got pregnant abortion would be a religious rite.

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That’s not true. Abortion was a criminal offense in most states from the beginning of the country’s history.

I have not relied on any church dogma in the argument I have made either. It is true however that if you accept the truth of objective morality, which atheists typically do not, you are more likely to oppose abortion, however a ban on abortion is a 100% secular law as it requires no religious affiliation and applies equally to all women and medical providers regardless of their religious beliefs.

Your last line is irrelevant nonsense and you know it’s not even true.

re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Robertinfremont said:

Does it then mean all of the laws the people approve of, by electing their legislative body, are prevented from being heard up to the Supreme Court?

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Name one state where abortion laws were approved by "the people." You can't because ALL OF THEM were passed by the state legislatures and signed by their governors, not put on ststewide ballots.