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[W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

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Scrabaholic said:
You do know that half of women who abort were trying to prevent pregnancy, right?
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Not hard enough obviously.
 
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Drawdown said:
If we have maternity leave it should be done and the cost paid for by the government without putting the burden on employers. Otherwise we will discourage employers from hiring women in the 20-40 range.
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First and foremost, the government is into our personal lives too much as it is. On top of that, tax payers should not have to shoulder that responsibility. If you cannot afford to have a child, don't have a child. If you do then it is your responsibility to take care of that child.
 
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Blarkin said:
First and foremost, the government is into our personal lives too much as it is.
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Agreed. Reproductive decisions are definitely outside their purview.

On top of that, tax payers should not have to shoulder that responsibility. If you cannot afford to have a child, don't have a child. If you do then it is your responsibility to take care of that child.
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True again. With the financial perspective, I'm sure you realize that if a woman chooses abortion, she's saving everyone $$$. It's also a very responsible choice.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

Grim17 said:
Last time I checked pregnancy was 100% preventable, so she'll get no sympathy from me.
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Not a 100% but close when used correctly....or used at all......that is the hard part of course......we are swamped with slim and dim women who cant be bothered to make an effort....and slim and dim women who cant/wont do it right.

But see the feminists have trained them in this irresponsibility....they are now taught from birth that anything that goes wrong in their lives is not their fault.

Almost always it is a mans fault...or men.

We are so screwed.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Not a 100% but close when used correctly....or used at all......that is the hard part of course......we are swamped with slim and dim women who cant be bothered to make an effort....and slim and dim women who cant/wont do it right.

But see the feminists have trained them in this irresponsibility....they are now taught from birth that anything that goes wrong in their lives is not their fault.

Almost always it is a mans fault...or men.

We are so screwed.
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See if I have this right. Women could prevent almost 100% of the pregnancy they are aborting but they are too stupid to do that so you're going to take away the option of abortion and make these women into mothers...... women that you consider too stupid to operate birth control should become not too bright parents. What a fabulous solution!!!!!!!something for everybody in it. It will teach the woman not to get pregnant, the church people finally get to deny abortion , and you get to feel immense satisfaction in punishing those snotty women and the feminist agenda is thwarted. Perfect!!!!
 
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weaver2 said:
See if I have this right. Women could prevent almost 100% of the pregnancy they are aborting but they are too stupid to do that so you're going to take away the option of abortion and make these women into mothers...... women that you consider too stupid to operate birth control should become not too bright parents. What a fabulous solution!!!!!!!something for everybody in it. It will teach the woman not to get pregnant, the church people finally get to deny abortion , and you get to feel immense satisfaction in punishing those snotty women and the feminist agenda is thwarted. Perfect!!!!
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It is well known to experts that a great many of the women who do abortion are there because they could not be bothered to do their best at fertility control.

These Feminist indoctrinated women know that they deserve skin on skin if they want it, and birth control is such a bother.

Hell most of the time they dont even need to pay full rates, if anything.

COME ON IN FOR AN ABORTION, GET IT CHEAP!
 
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Phys251 said:
Some women choose to abort because they come to the decision that the deck is too stacked against them to bring a child into this world.
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So then they kill a human fetus because they determine it is economically expedient?

How utterly evil.
 
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Grim17 said:
Last time I checked pregnancy was 100% preventable, so she'll get no sympathy from me.
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Are you saying you've never had sex except with the exclusive intention of having a child?
 
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Originally Posted by Phys251
Some women choose to abort because they come to the decision that the deck is too stacked against them to bring a child into this world.
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Court Jester said:
So then they kill a human fetus because they determine it is economically expedient?
How utterly evil.
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Money means stability. Money means security. It costs about$250,000 to raise a child to 18years old. Not having a child when you don't have the money to make sure the child is raised in a stable and secure environment and won't have in the future is the most humane thing a woman can do.

What's evil is bearing a child and bringing it home to suffer 18 years of chaos and poverty,
 
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Phys251 said:
The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave | US news | The Guardian





If prolifers really wanted to reduce the number of abortions, this is what they would be focusing on. Some women choose to abort because they come to the decision that the deck is too stacked against them to bring a child into this world.

Prolifers usually hate these very policies that would reduce the number of abortions. :shrug:
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I'm Pro choice, but sorry.....if you can't afford a child then do everything you can (birth control) NOT to get pregnant.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
You do know that half of women who abort were trying to prevent pregnancy, right?
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Try harder. It's not rocket science.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
People suck now....cant even manage the important basics far too often.

"BUT I TRIED"

BARF
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:roll: Not sure what more you expect than to use b/c.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

EMNofSeattle said:
She didn’t terminate the pregnancy over the leave issue. She is simply lying.

No one with a functioning moral compass does that. Taking unpaid leave to care for a baby is not a major burden if one spouse is working. Having six months at least of notice is more then enough time to save six weeks of expenses.
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It is a huge problem if the spouse is only making minimum wage.

Could you perhaps try to understand a little better? You seem awful judgemental.
 
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Drawdown said:
If we have maternity leave it should be done and the cost paid for by the government without putting the burden on employers. Otherwise we will discourage employers from hiring women in the 20-40 range.
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We have maternity/paternity leave here - 18 months. I have not heard of it being a huge problem. What about men? They get paternity leave if they choose to take it. And men are fertile their whole lives. Do you think that discourages employers from hiring men?

Employers don't have to pay them for maternity/paternity leave, they can get EI (govt benefits), but it *is* a hassle replacing the employee and training a new one who will only be there a short while.
 
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Blarkin said:
Can you supply a source for that number please? Also, no matter how "unfair" or "unrealistic" people feel like it is to say, the only real way to prevent pregnancy is abstinence. If you really don't want a child then don't play around with the method of creating one. That is not judgement. That is the cold, hard fact.
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We are sexual beings. Sex is normal and has health benefits. I see no reason to be abstinent for decades just because I do not want to risk my life with pregnancy when a safe option exists to terminate.
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

trixare4kids said:
That was a heartbreaking story to read but let's face it. She did have a couple of other options besides abortion. She could have quit her job,
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Sure, sacrifice her career and force her underpaid husband to support his whole family. Please proceed. :doh

found another that offered state mandated PFML without limitation. Her pregnancy happened in 2018 and the article said she lived in New England.
I don't know which particular N/E state she lived in then, but there are states that mandate employers offer family medical leave; MA. for example albeit their PFML didn't go into effect until 2019. See more on this below for New England states that are very progressive when it comes to PFML.
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So she's lying? And do you seriously think that you would respect her if she went on the dole? :lol:

Getting back to another choice: Or she could have gave birth, and placed her baby for adoption. Not an easy choice, but still her child would have lived.
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How many kids have you adopted, Trix?

Ultimately, the choice remains with her and in her case, her husband, and I certainly don't condemn her for having to make probably one of the hardest decisions of her life.

New England Businesses Lead U.S. in Offering Parental and Sick Leave
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Oh she does have a choice? Good! Next up, you might actually support her bodily autonomy!
 
re: [W:628]"The hardest decision of my life: to end a pregnancy because I had no paid leave"

EMNofSeattle said:
It’s an issue 100% unrelated to abortion.
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That is factually incorrect. If you had bothered to read the article then you might understand this. :)

EMNofSeattle said:
She didn’t terminate the pregnancy over the leave issue. She is simply lying.
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No, you're lying. As a prolifer, you feel entitled to tell her what she can and cannot do with her genitals. :doh
 
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Blarkin said:
First and foremost, the government is into our personal lives too much as it is. On top of that, tax payers should not have to shoulder that responsibility. If you cannot afford to have a child, don't have a child. If you do then it is your responsibility to take care of that child.
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Then make women pay extra into it like unemployment IDC. Just if you put the burden on the employer, child having aged women are going to pay the price is less opportunity to work.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
We have maternity/paternity leave here - 18 months. I have not heard of it being a huge problem. What about men? They get paternity leave if they choose to take it. And men are fertile their whole lives. Do you think that discourages employers from hiring men?

Employers don't have to pay them for maternity/paternity leave, they can get EI (govt benefits), but it *is* a hassle replacing the employee and training a new one who will only be there a short while.
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I guess whether or not it is a huge problem is in the eye of the beholder. For those for whom it is a problem, it is going to be a lot huger than for those who aren't experiencing it. How Maternity Leave Is Failing Canadian Women
 
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Phys251 said:
Sure, sacrifice her career and force her underpaid husband to support his whole family. Please proceed. :doh



So she's lying? And do you seriously think that you would respect her if she went on the dole? :lol:



How many kids have you adopted, Trix?



Oh she does have a choice? Good! Next up, you might actually support her bodily autonomy!
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You are so lost. :roll:
It all went whoooooshing by you.
 
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trixare4kids said:
You are so lost. :roll:
It all went whoooooshing by you.
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You made an idiotic post, I called you out on it, and now you're running away from it. :lol:

Answer my questions. If you can. ;)
 
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Phys251 said:
You made an idiotic post, I called you out on it, and now you're running away from it. :lol:

Answer my questions. If you can. ;)
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You have no idea what goes into making a truly INFORMED decision for a pregnant woman. I detailed three options open to women while I showed the utmost respect for the woman's integrity mentioned in your article, and while twisting my pov to satisfy some sick fantasy of yours, you laughed.

Go your merry way now....You're dismissed.
 
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trixare4kids said:
You have no idea what goes into making a truly INFORMED decision for a pregnant woman. I detailed three options open to women while I showed the utmost respect for the woman's integrity mentioned in your article, and while twisting my pov to satisfy some sick fantasy of yours, you laughed.

Go your merry way now....You're dismissed.
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Don't come in here spewing bullcrap and expect not to get called on it, Trix. That's not how honest debate works.

But then again, you prolifers have never been participants of honest debate. ;)
 
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Phys251 said:
Don't come in here spewing bullcrap and expect not to get called on it, Trix. That's not how honest debate works.

But then again, you prolifers have never been participants of honest debate. ;)
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I am pro-choice which is precisely why I outlined the possible options available to a woman who finds herself between a rock and a hard place, as was the woman mentioned in the O/P article.
I did my best to research, and explain and if you didn't like my explanation, not my problem.

Personally, I am pro-life but that's my prerogative and yes, I have been between that rock and hard place long ago in my life when safe and sane options were few and societal judgmental ran rampant.

Your post is very offensive to me as a woman, but I realize you've decided to derail your own thread now with ad homs and personal attacks so I will leave you to carry on with the silly nonsense, I've come to expect from you. You're simply not worth another second of my time.
 
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