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The One & Only Way To Reduce/Stop Abortions

minnie616 said:
Too funny.

So now our government is Marxist and President Trump is the leader of our Marxist country ?

You “quack “ me up Mashmont.
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Plenty of leftwing holdovers in these agencies. Those are the bastards who should be weeded out.
 
Dragonfly said:
If you think the best way to stop/prevent abortions is to outlaw abortions, you're lying to yourself and ignoring all the facts.

In fact, what needs to be done is to drastically reduce unwanted and/or unplanned pregnancies.
When women don't become pregnant, they don't get abortions. Amazing huh?

So how does one logically and realistically reduce unwanted pregnancy? <--- There is the crux to the whole abortion debate

1) honest and real sex-education starting BEFORE puberty sets in
2) no more "abstinence only" nonsense
3) birth control - education about it, affordable, free, covered by health insurance, easier access to it
4) health care - affordable, covered by health insurance, easy access, free for lower income/unemployed
5) stop shaming and demeaning women when it comes to sex
6) stop insisting sex should only be for procreation

That's the best place to start.

While it's never going to be possible to 100% eliminate all abortions from happening, what can be done is to drastically reduce the number down to almost nothing that isn't a medical necessity or due to rape/incest type scenarios.

That's what most are really talking about anyway.

Trying to prevent abortions after conception will not work.

The goal should be preventing conception, in as many instances as possible, unless conception is actually the goal.

So the question is, if you're pro-life (or anti-abortion) from the legal point of view, are you actually willing to commit to working towards an honest solution or not? Are you willing to work towards the prevention of unwanted pregnancies rather than the outlawing of something that won't change the outcome in the long run?

To prevent abortions, you must prevent unwanted/unplanned pregnancies.
Are you willing to work towards that goal or not?

Footnote : sex-shaming females isn't the path forward regarding any of this either - don't go down that path
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I'm in full agreement with not outlawing abortions - it will never ever ever stop the act of abortion at all. Making criminals out of women and doctors who perform abortions is not the answer either.

Most of your statements are 100% correct. Birth control should be easily available but I don't agree that it should be free. As the saying goes, if you wanna play you gotta pay!
 
minnie616 said:
Too funny.

So now our government website is Marxist and President Trump is the leader of our Marxist government and its website ?

You “quack “ me up Mashmont.
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Mash belongs in another country - preferably a dictatorship. Most likely he belongs on another planet or galaxy because he's basically in his own little world.

He sits at home all day posting on message forums and watching chick flicks. Complete loner and loser desperate for attention.
 
Indie guy said:
I'm in full agreement with not outlawing abortions - it will never ever ever stop the act of abortion at all. Making criminals out of women and doctors who perform abortions is not the answer either.

Most of your statements are 100% correct. Birth control should be easily available but I don't agree that it should be free. As the saying goes, if you wanna play you gotta pay!
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Actually , family planning including birth control medication or devices saves the taxpayer $7 for every $1 taxpayer spend.

I would rather a $1 was spent to prevent a woman from having an unwanted pregnancy rather than spend $7 to keep a woman and her unplanned little one in poverty.

If pregnancy was delayed until she is older chances are better she is more financially prepared for a little one.
 
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Indie guy said:
I'm in full agreement with not outlawing abortions - it will never ever ever stop the act of abortion at all. Making criminals out of women and doctors who perform abortions is not the answer either.

Most of your statements are 100% correct. Birth control should be easily available but I don't agree that it should be free. As the saying goes, if you wanna play you gotta pay!
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Agreed.

Except for the last part. I dont have the link here at work but I can post it later. It shows for every $1 spent by the govt for reproductive services and birth control, the taxpayers save $7. It's just common sense that if you prevent the unaffordable kids from being born, they wont have that higher risk of requiring public assistance, Medicare, subsidized daycare, etc later.
 
minnie616 said:
Actually , family planning including birth control medication or devices saves the taxpayer $7 for every $1 taxpayer spend.

I would rather a $1 was spent to prevent a woman from having an unwanted pregnancy rather than spend $7 to keep a woman and her unplanned little one in poverty.

If pregnancy was delayed until she is older chances are better she is more financially prepared for a little one.
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Ha ha! I should have kept reading. Yep.
 
Indie guy said:
Birth control should be easily available but I don't agree that it should be free. As the saying goes, if you wanna play you gotta pay!
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Colorado did a program with Free BC.

Worked rather well if I recall.

BC is far cheaper than welfare, food stamps, education, ....
 
Dayton3 said:
I believe in my own good judgement.
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Then dont have an abortion. Others have a right to their good judgement about their situation, their views, even if they are different than yours.

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Dayton3 said:
I believe in my own good judgement.
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roguenuke said:
Then dont have an abortion. Others have a right to their good judgement about their situation, their views, even if they are different than yours.
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:applaud:applaud

So then Dayton, women should also be able to use their good judgement? After all, who knows their circumstances best? Themselves of course.
 
Lursa said:
:applaud:applaud

So then Dayton, women should also be able to use their good judgement? After all, who knows their circumstances best? Themselves of course.
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Disagree.
 
Colorado abortion rates keep declining. Free IUDs and easier access to the pill are the reason. – The Colorado Sun

Perhaps even more than oral contraceptives, IUDs have contributed to the decline in abortions and unwanted pregnancies, public health officials said.

A landmark report from the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment two years ago credited IUDs, which are T-shaped pieces of plastic inserted into the uterus, for a major decrease in unwanted pregnancies among teenagers.

The birth rate for girls ages 15 to 19 in Colorado dropped by more than half in an eight-year period, falling 59% from 2009 to 2017. The abortion rate among Colorado teens fell by 60% during those eight years.
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Pretty heavy FACTS right there.
 
Dragonfly said:
Colorado did a program with Free BC.

Worked rather well if I recall.

BC is far cheaper than welfare, food stamps, education, ....
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The program worked very well. The single women that participated had long lasting contraceptive implantation. Their unwanted pregnancy rate went to 0. The highly successful program last 3 or 4 years. Christian idiots put a stop to the program. They claimed the implantation was an abortifacient. Since implanted contraceptives do not end a pregnancy it is difficult to see why they object. The only reason for killing the program is that stopping abortion is not the real goal of the anti-abortion movement. So what is their goal?
 
weaver2 said:
The program worked very well. The single women that participated had long lasting contraceptive implantation. Their unwanted pregnancy rate went to 0. The highly successful program last 3 or 4 years. Christian idiots put a stop to the program. They claimed the implantation was an abortifacient. Since implanted contraceptives do not end a pregnancy it is difficult to see why they object. The only reason for killing the program is that stopping abortion is not the real goal of the anti-abortion movement. So what is their goal?
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As we see quite a lot in the Abortion section of DP, preventing abortion really does seem to be something the pro-life side doesn't give two figs about.

This thread has almost 1300 posts, and I'd bet fewer than 25% actually support my OP.
My OP appears to be fully supported by all those here that are Pro-Choice.

So tell me, who actually cares about reducing abortions?
 
Dragonfly said:
If you think the best way to stop/prevent abortions is to outlaw abortions, you're lying to yourself and ignoring all the facts.

In fact, what needs to be done is to drastically reduce unwanted and/or unplanned pregnancies. When women don't become pregnant, they don't get abortions. Amazing huh? So how does one logically and realistically reduce unwanted pregnancy? <--- There is the crux to the whole abortion debate

1) honest and real sex-education starting BEFORE puberty sets in
2) no more "abstinence only" nonsense
3) birth control - education about it, affordable, free, covered by health insurance, easier access to it
4) health care - affordable, covered by health insurance, easy access, free for lower income/unemployed
5) stop shaming and demeaning women when it comes to sex
6) stop insisting sex should only be for procreation

That's the best place to start.
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Agree 100%, on all points. I hope it isn't a rule violation to post on threads that are a few months old. I didn't see anywhere in the Forum Rules that it is, and thought this was a topic worth re-visiting.
 
Integrityrespec said:
Maybe we should educate the dairy farmers not to give away the milk unless someone buys the cow?
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Oh, is this the lame old "women should wait to be married to have sex" argument again? It sure looks like it.

In any case, there's nothing wrong with unmarried women choosing to have sex, and many of them use some form of birth control. However, making birth control even easier to access, by making it very low-cost or even free would reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies a lot more. Far fewer unwanted pregnancies means far fewer abortions.
 
Robertinfremont said:
I say again, I showed up here with an honest solution to the abortion problem.
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More laws that would either restrict women's access to abortion or that make it illegal isn't any kind of solution in my book. Better sex education programs (not that abstinence-only nonsense) and easier access to reliable forms of birth control for women is a much better solution, as it would reduce more unwanted pregnancies. Strange how so many who oppose abortion also oppose those measures.
 
Blue Donkey said:
Of course they do. They want to become teachers knowing sex education is part of the job. And as health teachers, they are obviously very interested in the topic. I have no idea why anybody would think this is a "burden" for health teachers to want to do it.
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Neither do I. Unless some prolifers really believe that ignorance about sex is "best" for teenagers and young adults. Obviously it isn't.
 
Dayton3 said:
Who believes this aside from fanatical Catholics.?
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I don't believe Catholicism is the only church or religion that opposes birth control and sex education. So I believe other people besides Catholics believe it.
 
Lursa said:
THey are not taught 'how' to have sex...your ignorance is disturbing. And if teens (13+) dont 'know how babies are created' by then then they are very seriously at risk of actually becoming accidentally pregnant. How can you not realize this?
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I totally agree. I think such ignorance usually results from these ridiculous abstinence-only "sex education" programs. They do a serious disservice to the students stuck with those programs and need honest information so they can prevent the occurence of unwanted pregnancy and STDs.
 
Robertinfremont said:
When she got pregnant she now has dual duties. To her and her child. I do my best to try to hit all of your concerns.
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I don't agree that you've "done your best." If you are that opposed to abortion, why don't you fully support better sex education and easier access to reliable birth control for women? You know, the measures that prevent more unwanted pregnancies and by extension, prevent more abortions?
 
OceanBlues1 said:
I don't agree that you've "done your best." If you are that opposed to abortion, why don't you fully support better sex education and easier access to reliable birth control for women? You know, the measures that prevent more unwanted pregnancies and by extension, prevent more abortions?
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What makes you presume I do not support those things? BC is easy for women to get. I do not have the ability to prescribe drugs to anybody.
 
OceanBlues1 said:
I totally agree. I think such ignorance usually results from these ridiculous abstinence-only "sex education" programs. They do a serious disservice to the students stuck with those programs and need honest information so they can prevent the occurence of unwanted pregnancy and STDs.
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Why do you encourage unmarried sex for the kids in school?
 
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