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Abortion is Murder. Sorry, but That is a Fact

You and I BOTH know that killing any human, or human to be is murder. You folks have gotten away with murder for years, but the time is coming...

Uh, no, that is nonsense. We do not agree with that at all. Abortion a zygote is not murder, in fact any legal abortion is not murder.

And the time is coming :lamo nope, maybe in a few states if the pro-life extremists achieve repealing Roe v. Wade but it will not change the reality that abortion will still be happening in the US because this is a state issue and nothing will make pro-choice states change their laws just because some archaic states like to force women back into the dark ages of forced pregnancies.
 
If you have "seen murder", you recognize what it is. If you don't see that abortion in murder you are merely hiding the truth from yourself.

Abortion, where legal, CANNOT be murder, since murder, by definition, is an illegal act.
 
You and I BOTH know that killing any human, or human to be is murder. You folks have gotten away with murder for years, but the time is coming...

Actually, no, it is not always murder to kill a human. To wit: the death penalty; war; self defence etc
 

The OP stands as FACT and was never refuted. Abortion IS murder.



The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights

The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights | America Magazine

I am an atheist, a 29-year-old woman, well-educated at secular institutions, and I lean liberal on many issues, including same-sex marriage and climate change. I am also a dedicated pro-life activist, working to make abortion unthinkable....

...Most secular pro-choice people are well-meaning and affirm a commitment to human rights. Most are horrified by ableism—but close their eyes to the often lethal consequences of prenatal genetic testing. Abortion advocates would never murder a defenseless sleeping or comatose person—yet they argue that because children in the womb lack consciousness, killing them is permissible....​

My comment: The author is much kinder than I am to choicers.
 
So bring a test case, then


The OP stands as FACT and was never refuted. Abortion IS murder.

In the US? If you actually believe that, then file charges, & bring a case to court. It should be easy enough, just inform to the police on when & where the murder is taking place. They'll consult with the District Attorney, who will likely decline to pursue a complaint, as abortion under Roe v. Wade is legal.

In a court of law in the US, abortion is not murder - as long as it's performed within the context of Roe v. Wade.
 

The OP stands as FACT and was never refuted. Abortion IS murder.

Post 18 and 21 completely destroyed your view. Unless you'd like to address the arguments in 18 and admit that the legal descriptions in 21 are accurate.

That would be a 'discussion.'

If post 21 is wrong, why dont women go to jail for having abortions? I mean, if it's murder (by definition illegal) and all?
 
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Working to make abortion unthinkable? Well that'll never happen. As long as there are pregnant women who aren't capable of taking care of children, abortion will always be an option they consider.
Certainly that must be the answer because they don't have the forethought to use preventative measures to prevent a pregnancy.
 
Certainly that must be the answer because they don't have the forethought to use preventative measures to prevent a pregnancy.

2/3 of couples in the US use birth control. But as we all know, it's not 100% effective.

Let's do some math:

Actually, 68 percent of women of childbearing years in the US use artificial birth control consistently.

Another 22 percent:

-- Cannot become become pregnant due to a medical condition or procedure. (infertile or have been diagnosed as such)*
-- Or are currently pregnant and thus are not currently using birth control.

That leaves 10 percent who do not use artificial birth control for whatever reason (some may be using the so called rhythm method. Or similar natural methods)


And now for the math:

--80-90% of American couples use birth control/have sex responsibly

--non-surgical birth control is only ~98% effective (optimally. In real use, generally less)

--millions of Americans have sex millions and millions of times every day

--this means that there will still be 10s of thousands of accidental pregnancies every day.
 
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The OP stands as FACT and was never refuted. Abortion IS murder.

It was......Several times.....Convincingly

Abortion advocates would never murder a defenseless sleeping or comatose person—yet they argue that because children in the womb lack consciousness, killing them is permissible....

Someone who doesn't understand the difference between an already born human, sleeping or comatose, and a fetus doesn't have the intellect to comment on either the fetus or the human being.
 

The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights

The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights | America Magazine

I am an atheist, a 29-year-old woman, well-educated at secular institutions, and I lean liberal on many issues, including same-sex marriage and climate change. I am also a dedicated pro-life activist, working to make abortion unthinkable....

...Most secular pro-choice people are well-meaning and affirm a commitment to human rights. Most are horrified by ableism—but close their eyes to the often lethal consequences of prenatal genetic testing. Abortion advocates would never murder a defenseless sleeping or comatose person—yet they argue that because children in the womb lack consciousness, killing them is permissible....​

My comment: The author is much kinder than I am to choicers.

Well over 210 posts and your thread title still has ZERO facts that make it true . . .ZERO LOL

Can anybody post one fact that makes the thread title true?
 

The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights

The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights | America Magazine

I am an atheist, a 29-year-old woman, well-educated at secular institutions, and I lean liberal on many issues, including same-sex marriage and climate change. I am also a dedicated pro-life activist, working to make abortion unthinkable....

...Most secular pro-choice people are well-meaning and affirm a commitment to human rights. Most are horrified by ableism—but close their eyes to the often lethal consequences of prenatal genetic testing. Abortion advocates would never murder a defenseless sleeping or comatose person—yet they argue that because children in the womb lack consciousness, killing them is permissible....​

My comment: The author is much kinder than I am to choicers.

well the comatose patient has achieved consciousness and might again unless they are brain dead in which case letting them die seems fine ( say deliberately causing brain death or casing it in an attempt to kill some one should be considered murder )

why would abortion by the will of the mother be wrong let alone murder?
 
2/3 of couples in the US use birth control. But as we all know, it's not 100% effective.

Let's do some math:

Actually, 68 percent of women of childbearing years in the US use artificial birth control consistently.

Another 22 percent:

-- Cannot become become pregnant due to a medical condition or procedure. (infertile or have been diagnosed as such)*
-- Or are currently pregnant and thus are not currently using birth control.

That leaves 10 percent who do not use artificial birth control for whatever reason (some may be using the so called rhythm method. Or similar natural methods)


And now for the math:

--80-90% of American couples use birth control/have sex responsibly

--non-surgical birth control is only ~98% effective (optimally. In real use, generally less)

--millions of Americans have sex millions and millions of times every day

--this means that there will still be 10s of thousands of accidental pregnancies every day.
For us, pull out has worked just fine for 15 years together (our 2 kids came from a time when we were ready and willing to have kids). I cant take most birth control. However, this won't work for many, especially younger couples. Everyone is different, couples even moreso, since two people have to have their needs met.

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"Copy/paste makes me look smart and well informed!"

Why are you quoting yourself when it is the first time that you said it?
 
You and I BOTH know that killing any human, or human to be is murder. You folks have gotten away with murder for years, but the time is coming...

How many times do you guys need to be told that murder is a man made legal concept...? If murder does not apply to a fetus then it is not murder... it is just killing. If you do not understand this then you are in WAY over your head and if you do understand this then you merely trolling about posting lies.
 
How many times do you guys need to be told that murder is a man made legal concept...? If murder does not apply to a fetus then it is not murder... it is just killing. If you do not understand this then you are in WAY over your head and if you do understand this then you merely trolling about posting lies.

You know they understand because they have never taken anyone to court claiming wrongful death, killing or murder. But they love using those words; it makes their agenda sound legal and moral and labels women as depraved and heartless. Brave, strong, moral men saving babies vs cold, calculating, selfish women who murder babies. Clever isn't it?
 
You know they understand because they have never taken anyone to court claiming wrongful death, killing or murder. But they love using those words; it makes their agenda sound legal and moral and labels women as depraved and heartless. Brave, strong, moral men saving babies vs cold, calculating, selfish women who murder babies. Clever isn't it?

It was clever twenty years ago... now it just seems desperate and old.
 
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