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Abortion is Murder. Sorry, but That is a Fact


The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights

The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights | America Magazine

I am an atheist, a 29-year-old woman, well-educated at secular institutions, and I lean liberal on many issues, including same-sex marriage and climate change. I am also a dedicated pro-life activist, working to make abortion unthinkable....

...Most secular pro-choice people are well-meaning and affirm a commitment to human rights. Most are horrified by ableism—but close their eyes to the often lethal consequences of prenatal genetic testing. Abortion advocates would never murder a defenseless sleeping or comatose person—yet they argue that because children in the womb lack consciousness, killing them is permissible....​

My comment: The author is much kinder than I am to choicers.

Murder is the illegal killing of a person. Abortion is league, sorry you don’t like the English language but words have meaning and abortion is not murder.
 
I love this tweet from Feminists for Life

"In Chile, pregnant women silently gave voice to the voiceless with “loudhailers” to amplify the sound of the ❤️s beating inside them.

One participant said, "Abortion activists lost all words. They watched in silence: The voice of those hearts was an unanswerable question."

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Viva la stretch marks!
 
Why do people like you insist on returning over and over again to that dry well.
I said before, Abortion will never be stopped, just as rape and murder and theft and crime will never be stopped. But all these things must still be illegal anyway and children must be taught that all these these things are wrong. An adult like you (if you are one) should know better. You are a real disappointment to young people.

Nah. Abortion is great
 
....I'm a Catholic and would only consider abortion if the pregnancy endangered the life of the mother. I hope that's clear because now I hope you will take what I say in a non-biased and logical way.........

Sorry Charlie, I have to cut you off there. Your position is ANTICatholic. One evil does not justify the other. You cannot murder someone to save someone else. And let me add that no faithful Catholic women would EVER kill her own child just to save herself. That's an abomination. I shutter at the very though of killing my child just to save myself. What sort of monster are you.

Murder is the taking of an innocent human beings life.
Abortion is the taking of an innocent human beings life.

Abortion is Murder.

Roe v Wade is unconstitutional, and the arguments made within it are insane.

The Catechism:

Abortion

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.72

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.73
My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.74

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.75
God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.76

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"77 "by the very commission of the offense,"78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

"The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death."80

"The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights."81


Murder is the illegal killing of a person. Abortion is league, sorry you don’t like the English language but words have meaning and abortion is not murder.

Your childish simpleton's position was already debunked in a previous post.
 
Define Murder please.

I am saying that Roe v, Wade is unconstitutional, and that abortion is indeed murder using the very definition of murder
A murder of crows.

You are not a judge. Roe v Wade was ruled constitutional by the highest court in the land.

The government does not grant rights...it can only recognize and protect certain rights. The Supreme court recognized abortion as a private individual right and protected by the 14th amendment. Your emotions are irrelevant to the recognized and protected rights that belong to we the people.
 
Sorry Charlie, I have to cut you off there. Your position is ANTICatholic. One evil does not justify the other. You cannot murder someone to save someone else. And let me add that no faithful Catholic women would EVER kill her own child just to save herself. That's an abomination. I shutter at the very though of killing my child just to save myself. What sort of monster are you.

Murder is the taking of an innocent human beings life.
Abortion is the taking of an innocent human beings life.

Abortion is Murder.

Roe v Wade is unconstitutional, and the arguments made within it are insane.

The Catechism:

Abortion

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.72

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.73
My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.74

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.75
God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.76

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,"77 "by the very commission of the offense,"78 and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.79 The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

"The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death."80

"The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights."81




Your childish simpleton's position was already debunked in a previous post.

You're dead wrong and the law is on my side, not the catechism. Just so you know, I didn't read more than one line of your bodacious comment.
 
Oh, I agree. I agree. Just like murder and rape and assaults and robbery, it will all always happen. None of it will end.

And yet, we still teach our children that murder and rape and assaults and robbery are wrong, and we keep those things illegal, right?

So too we must teach children that abortion is wrong; it is the taking of an innocent human life.

Teach your children whatever you want and that is far as your power over children goes. You against birth control also?
 
Why do people like you insist on returning over and over again to that dry well.
I said before, Abortion will never be stopped, just as rape and murder and theft and crime will never be stopped. But all these things must still be illegal anyway and children must be taught that all these these things are wrong. An adult like you (if you are one) should know better. You are a real disappointment to young people.

The point is that if you want to reduce abortion and instill morality abortion needs to be out in the open, legal, so all the reasons for and against can be discussed, legislated and controlled. Making something illegal doesn't confer immorality upon it. Banning something simply gives it importance, standing and a rallying point for disobeying it. Think alcohol, pot, sex, adultery, speed limits, literature, pornography, etc.
 
Define Murder please.

I am saying that Roe v, Wade is unconstitutional, and that abortion is indeed murder using the very definition of murder

In the context of abortion debate that deals with the legality of abortion, legally speaking in this country abortion is factually NOT murder.

If you want to be more accurate with your post, perhaps saying "I believe it should be murder" would e better.
 
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Teach your children whatever you want and that is far as your power over children goes.........

The hatred and evil drips from your post. Murdering babies is evil; murdering millions of them is a holocaust and a crime against humanity which you are all for it seems to me.
 
The hatred and evil drips from your post. Murdering babies is evil; murdering millions of them is a holocaust and a crime against humanity which you are all for it seems to me.

Then dont murder babies.


But abortion is great
 
You're dead wrong and the law is on my side, not the catechism. Just so you know, I didn't read more than one line of your bodacious comment.

You call yourself Catholic and you just admitted the Catechism is not on your side. How sad, but true. Your Church tells you that you are promoting evil, but apparently your new god in the Supreme Court. Tell your confessor priest that you have a new god now, if you are honest that is.

As for the law being on your side - it is NOT. Only one faulty supreme court decision is on your side, and the day it is reversed will be a day when true liberty and freedom and respect for Life rings throughout the nation


Then dont murder babies.
But abortion is great

Your mind is diseased.
 
You call yourself Catholic and you just admitted the Catechism is not on your side. How sad, but true. Your Church tells you that you are promoting evil, but apparently your new god in the Supreme Court. Tell your confessor priest that you have a new god now, if you are honest that is.

As for the law being on your side - it is NOT. Only one faulty supreme court decision is on your side, and the day it is reversed will be a day when true liberty and freedom and respect for Life rings throughout the nation




Your mind is diseased.

It was so nice meeting you. But you are a lost child. You have no facts.
 
And let me add that no faithful Catholic women would EVER kill her own child just to save herself. That's an abomination. I shutter(sic) at the very though(sic) of killing my child just to save myself.

The abortion rate for Catholic women is exactly the same for non-catholic women. And there will come a time when you will be faced with saving your family or saving your fetus. Giving birth to another child will endanger the physical and mental health of the already born members of your family. No woman has ever willingly sacrificed the lives of their family for the life of a fetus. If and when you are faced with that decision you too will choose the already born over they yet to be born.
 
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The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights

The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights | America Magazine

I am an atheist, a 29-year-old woman, well-educated at secular institutions, and I lean liberal on many issues, including same-sex marriage and climate change. I am also a dedicated pro-life activist, working to make abortion unthinkable....

...Most secular pro-choice people are well-meaning and affirm a commitment to human rights. Most are horrified by ableism—but close their eyes to the often lethal consequences of prenatal genetic testing. Abortion advocates would never murder a defenseless sleeping or comatose person—yet they argue that because children in the womb lack consciousness, killing them is permissible....​

My comment: The author is much kinder than I am to choicers.

/// Abortion is Murder. Sorry, but That us a Fact. /// <--- If that is a truthful positive claim; please produce the legal statute that validates said positive claim.
 
A murder of crows.

You are not a judge. Roe v Wade was ruled constitutional by the highest court in the land.

The government does not grant rights...it can only recognize and protect certain rights. The Supreme court recognized abortion as a private individual right and protected by the 14th amendment. Your emotions are irrelevant to the recognized and protected rights that belong to we the people.

Well argued.
The right to choose is a fundamental, autonomous "healthcare" right given to women and 'tis nobody's business but her own what she lawfully decides to do.
 
The hatred and evil drips from your post. Murdering babies is evil; murdering millions of them is a holocaust and a crime against humanity which you are all for it seems to me.

So you have no answer, noted.
 
The hatred and evil drips from your post. Murdering babies is evil; murdering millions of them is a holocaust and a crime against humanity which you are all for it seems to me.

I respect the way that you see it. You are pro-life but that's where your rights do not trump the rights of other women.

Btw, I am personally pro-life too but I can put my conviction rooted in my religious beliefs aside and realize that not all women should be mandated to share my personal belief system.
 
So you have no answer, noted.

So far I have seen no depth to nor support for her opinion. Just one-liners, 'bumper-stickers'.
 
So far I have seen no depth to nor support for her opinion. Just one-liners, 'bumper-stickers'.

I have explained the scientific facts and I have explained the legal situation. The lack of depth is in your inability to understand truth.

You are a generations of hate. Your generation is dead. We are pro life. You are part of the past. We don't embrace your racism and your hate and your disrespect for life. You are in the dust bin where you belong. And as a woman I find you particularly disgusting.


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So far I have seen no depth to nor support for her opinion. Just one-liners, 'bumper-stickers'.

Yeup, she going to run out of time here awfully quick at this rate. Maybe she I'll learn as time goes by and she gained some wisdom, or maybe not.
 
I have explained the scientific facts and I have explained the legal situation. The lack of depth is in your inability to understand truth.

When did you provide any counter-argument at all to:

--abortion being murder
--murder is based on science
--the unborn have a right to life
--there is a legal foundation for making elective abortion legal

I've posted specific arguments to your posts on each of those and you have yet to answer with anything but defensive denials...indicating a complete lack of ability to do so.
 

The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights

The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights | America Magazine

I am an atheist, a 29-year-old woman, well-educated at secular institutions, and I lean liberal on many issues, including same-sex marriage and climate change. I am also a dedicated pro-life activist, working to make abortion unthinkable....

...Most secular pro-choice people are well-meaning and affirm a commitment to human rights. Most are horrified by ableism—but close their eyes to the often lethal consequences of prenatal genetic testing. Abortion advocates would never murder a defenseless sleeping or comatose person—yet they argue that because children in the womb lack consciousness, killing them is permissible....​

My comment: The author is much kinder than I am to choicers.

Murder is defined as the illegal killing of another human.

Abortion is not illegal, ergo, its not murder.

Actual fact. Learn to fact better.
 

The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights

The atheist’s case against abortion: respect for human rights | America Magazine

I am an atheist, a 29-year-old woman, well-educated at secular institutions, and I lean liberal on many issues, including same-sex marriage and climate change. I am also a dedicated pro-life activist, working to make abortion unthinkable....

...Most secular pro-choice people are well-meaning and affirm a commitment to human rights. Most are horrified by ableism—but close their eyes to the often lethal consequences of prenatal genetic testing. Abortion advocates would never murder a defenseless sleeping or comatose person—yet they argue that because children in the womb lack consciousness, killing them is permissible....​

My comment: The author is much kinder than I am to choicers.

Murder, by definition, is an illegal act. Abortion, where legal, cannot be murder.

How about you mind your uterus and it's contents and I'll mind mine, k?
 
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