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Does the Pro-Life movement have any realistic solutions to abortion.

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Pro-life advocates say they are profoundly disturbed by the 50M fetuses aborted in the US since Roe v.Wade was decided in 1973. Again and again they describe their horror about the messiness of abortion, their sorrow over lost "babies", their disgust with the callous women who abort. But do they have any solutions for reducing the number of abortions other than banning and criminalizing it and if so what are they?
 
weaver2 said:
Pro-life advocates say they are profoundly disturbed by the 50M fetuses aborted in the US since Roe v.Wade was decided in 1973. Again and again they describe their horror about the messiness of abortion, their sorrow over lost "babies", their disgust with the callous women who abort. But do they have any solutions for reducing the number of abortions other than banning and criminalizing it and if so what are they?
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They promote 'abstinence only', a failed idea. And many would prevent the use of birth control and many more resent the fact that the govt subsidizes and makes birth control more accessible.:doh

And they lie constantly when they make claims about 'messy' abortions, pain, suffering, butchering, etc etc etc. They choose to use emotional manipulation instead of addressing actual (possible) legal tactics.
 
weaver2 said:
Pro-life advocates say they are profoundly disturbed by the 50M fetuses aborted in the US since Roe v.Wade was decided in 1973. Again and again they describe their horror about the messiness of abortion, their sorrow over lost "babies", their disgust with the callous women who abort. But do they have any solutions for reducing the number of abortions other than banning and criminalizing it and if so what are they?
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Ban and criminalizing would be a great start, but there is more that can be done. Institute Catholic moral education in the public schools system from the earliest grades, and teach children to value human lives. Teach them sex outside marriage is wrong and why. So many kids, especially from the ghettos, have never heard this message. They certainly aren't hearing it at home from their crackhead single parent.
 
Lursa said:
They promote 'abstinence only', a failed idea. And many would prevent the use of birth control and many more resent the fact that the govt subsidizes and makes birth control more accessible.:doh

And they lie constantly when they make claims about 'messy' abortions, pain, suffering, butchering, etc etc etc. They choose to use emotional manipulation instead of addressing actual (possible) legal tactics.
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Abstinence works 100% of the time it's used. Birth control doesn't. Yet look at which one the left advocates.
 
Mashmont said:
Abstinence works 100% of the time it's used. Birth control doesn't. Yet look at which one the left advocates.
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Yet the stupid far right conservatives believe that humans will ignore the strongest instinct on the planet and abstain from sex :doh

And they also choose to ignore the fact that such programs have consistently failed :doh
 
weaver2 said:
Pro-life advocates say they are profoundly disturbed by the 50M fetuses aborted in the US since Roe v.Wade was decided in 1973. Again and again they describe their horror about the messiness of abortion, their sorrow over lost "babies", their disgust with the callous women who abort. But do they have any solutions for reducing the number of abortions other than banning and criminalizing it and if so what are they?
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They would open a new law enforcement agency.


The PP (Pregnancy Police)

Interrogations to begin immediately
 
Mashmont said:
Ban and criminalizing would be a great start, but there is more that can be done. Institute Catholic moral education in the public schools system from the earliest grades, and teach children to value human lives. Teach them sex outside marriage is wrong and why. So many kids, especially from the ghettos, have never heard this message. They certainly aren't hearing it at home from their crackhead single parent.
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Agree, but not with "Catholic", I would say biblical morality. Or just plain morals! Life matters. Having premarital sex is not a good idea. Wait to find someone who really loves you before giving yourself to them, etc.
 
Mashmont said:
Abstinence works 100% of the time it's used. Birth control doesn't. Yet look at which one the left advocates.
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Yes, abstinence does work, but young people rarely abstain, even if they've been taught to.
 
Magdalene said:
Agree, but not with "Catholic", I would say biblical morality. Or just plain morals! Life matters. Having premarital sex is not a good idea. Wait to find someone who really loves you before giving yourself to them, etc.
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Premarital sex is a great idea
 
Lursa said:
Yet the stupid far right conservatives believe that humans will ignore the strongest instinct on the planet and abstain from sex :doh

And they also choose to ignore the fact that such programs have consistently failed :doh
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1. Yeah, humans aren't animals. We are called upon to be above the animal kingdom and suppress our base instincts to do whatever we want whenever we want. It's why we have laws and the animals don't.
2. I don't remember a time when we started teaching Catholic moral sexual values in the public schools from day one. That would teach people to respect life and transform the culture. And as already mentioned, abstinence works 100% of the time it is tried.
 
This whole topic reminds me of the AIDS epidemic. Our government has spent hundreds of million dollars and 35 years trying to solve the problem.

I can solve the entire AIDS problem in five minutes and it won't cost a cent: Ban. Gay. Sex. Make it illegal. Voila. Problem solved.

But what is the 'compassionate' left's 'solution'? Encourage MORE gay sex. Enact gay marriage. Meanwhile, people continue to die.
 
Mashmont said:
This whole topic reminds me of the AIDS epidemic. Our government has spent hundreds of million dollars and 35 years trying to solve the problem.

I can solve the entire AIDS problem in five minutes and it won't cost a cent: Ban. Gay. Sex. Make it illegal. Voila. Problem solved.

But what is the 'compassionate' left's 'solution'? Encourage MORE gay sex. Enact gay marriage. Meanwhile, people continue to die.
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Wow. Holy cow. Wow
 
Mashmont said:
1. Yeah, humans aren't animals. We are called upon to be above the animal kingdom and suppress our base instincts to do whatever we want whenever we want. It's why we have laws and the animals don't.
2. I don't remember a time when we started teaching Catholic moral sexual values in the public schools from day one. That would teach people to respect life and transform the culture. And as already mentioned, abstinence works 100% of the time it is tried.
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Perfect example supporting my posts, thanks.

You are still supporting a completely failed idea.

:applaud:applaud
 
vegas giants said:
They would open a new law enforcement agency.


The PP (Pregnancy Police)

Interrogations to begin immediately
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Welcome to Iran and Saudi Arabia!
 
Magdalene said:
Agree, but not with "Catholic", I would say biblical morality. Or just plain morals! Life matters. Having premarital sex is not a good idea. Wait to find someone who really loves you before giving yourself to them, etc.
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So then just toss the Constitution in the crapper and disrespect everyone who does not believe as you do?

Force your religious views on others?
 
vegas giants said:
They would open a new law enforcement agency.


The PP (Pregnancy Police)

Interrogations to begin immediately
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Hey. Welcome back, vegas. Haven't seen you in about 30 days
 
Lursa said:
So then just toss the Constitution in the crapper and disrespect everyone who does not believe as you do?

Force your religious views on others?
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Question for you.... how is valuing human life (a baby's), discouraging our children from sleeping with multiple people, ones who may not love them at all, and having basic self respect a bad thing?
 
Magdalene said:
Question for you.... how is valuing human life (a baby's), discouraging our children from sleeping with multiple people, ones who may not love them at all, and having basic self respect a bad thing?
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You miss out on a lot of fun that way
 
Magdalene said:
Question for you.... how is valuing human life (a baby's), discouraging our children from sleeping with multiple people, ones who may not love them at all, and having basic self respect a bad thing?
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I never claimed what you are describing.

But do you know what 'abstinence only' education is?
 
Lursa said:
I never claimed what you are describing.

But do you know what 'abstinence only' education is?
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Yes. And it saves the lives of what would be unwanted children.
 
Mashmont said:
Ban and criminalizing would be a great start, but there is more that can be done. Institute Catholic moral education in the public schools system from the earliest grades, and teach children to value human lives. Teach them sex outside marriage is wrong and why. So many kids, especially from the ghettos, have never heard this message. They certainly aren't hearing it at home from their crackhead single parent.
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How will banning and criminalizing stop abortions? You can't teach Catholic morality in public schools. How do you propose to teach sexual and social responsibility in schools that have dropped Sex-Ed, Life Skills, and Counseling because there is no funding. Have you thought through any of these things?
 
Mashmont said:
Abstinence works 100% of the time it's used. Birth control doesn't. Yet look at which one the left advocates.
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I am sure Lursa's point was girls and women can't always avoid having sex because of rape and incest. The definition of rape is being forced to have sexual intercourse after telling the man she does not want to. You obviously can't blame the victim for getting pregnant when that happens.
 
Mashmont said:
This whole topic reminds me of the AIDS epidemic. Our government has spent hundreds of million dollars and 35 years trying to solve the problem.

I can solve the entire AIDS problem in five minutes and it won't cost a cent: Ban. Gay. Sex. Make it illegal. Voila. Problem solved.

But what is the 'compassionate' left's 'solution'? Encourage MORE gay sex. Enact gay marriage. Meanwhile, people continue to die.
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"Gay sex" was banned in many places when AIDS started and became an epidemic. Banning things doesnt prevent them from occurring.

Forget the ridiculous notion that doing so would even solve the problem

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Mashmont said:
This whole topic reminds me of the AIDS epidemic. Our government has spent hundreds of million dollars and 35 years trying to solve the problem.

I can solve the entire AIDS problem in five minutes and it won't cost a cent: Ban. Gay. Sex. Make it illegal. Voila. Problem solved.
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This is idiotic.
 
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