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Does the Pro-Life movement have any realistic solutions to abortion.

Lursa said:
No, it does not, because abstinence only as a program has failed. Time and time again.

You also are displaying another example of the willful ignorance of those that choose, irrationally, to continue to promote a failed program simply because it conforms to their beliefs but not reality.

How is it rational to continue to try and promote something that is a failure?
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Reality is, abstinence does not result in pregnancy. Does that always work, no because people do not practice it. However, if it was taught, it would result in a decline of unwanted pregnancies. Along with birth control education.

If I promote whatever and it results in even one unwanted pregnancy from occurring.... that is not failure.
 
Mashmont said:
We have banned sex between adults and minors. We can do it with same sex sex. But first we have to undo the ridiculous and horrendous gay marriage ruling.
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Maybe we can make it a crime to have premarital sex too. And women could dress in red and be forced to have babies for the elite!!!!!

The catholic dream come true


The Handmaids tale
 
Mashmont said:
What is the government doing now but forcing godless views on everyone. It's time eliminate the silly notion of 'separation of church and state'. It can't be done, because the alternative to religion is atheism.
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Who is forcing anyone to have sex? Or abortions? Dont lie.
 
Mashmont said:
We have banned sex between adults and minors. We can do it with same sex sex. But first we have to undo the ridiculous and horrendous gay marriage ruling.
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It hasnt remotely stopped such sex between adults and minors.
 
Magdalene said:
Reality is, abstinence does not result in pregnancy. Does that always work, no because people do not practice it. However, if it was taught, it would result in a decline of unwanted pregnancies. Along with birth control education.

If I promote whatever and it results in even one unwanted pregnancy from occurring.... that is not failure.
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Reality is...you cannot force people to abstain :doh

And using your logic, if birth control prevents even one unwanted pregnancy...why not teach that as well?

No one is saying not to teach abstinence, it is 'abstinence ONLY' that is the failure.
 
Mashmont said:
What is the government doing now but forcing godless views on everyone. It's time eliminate the silly notion of 'separation of church and state'. It can't be done, because the alternative to religion is atheism.
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Which of your beliefs does the govt prevent you from exercising?
 
Magdalene said:
Reality is, abstinence does not result in pregnancy. Does that always work, no because people do not practice it. However, if it was taught, it would result in a decline of unwanted pregnancies. Along with birth control education.

If I promote whatever and it results in even one unwanted pregnancy from occurring.... that is not failure.
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Abstinence only is taught in most souther high schools. In study after study teens who have been taught abstinence only programs have the same teen pregnancy rate, abortion rate and birth rate as teens who have had no sex-ed programs. And their pregnancy, teen birth rates are higher than teens who have had medically accurate, useful and truthful sex-ed. If you think this is wrong please show us the studies that show abstinence only works.

Teens with abstinence only education have a slightly older age for first sexual encounter but a much higher pregnancy and STD rate since they have not had instruction on contraception.

It is unrealistic to believe that teens are going to abstain from sex. They are bombarded with sex in media, clothing, advertisements, literature, comics, even news programs. Virginity rings and creepy father-daughter chastity dances and pledges do not keep teens from having sex and getting pregnant.
 
weaver2 said:
Abstinence only is taught in most souther high schools. In study after study teens who have been taught abstinence only programs have the same teen pregnancy rate, abortion rate and birth rate as teens who have had no sex-ed programs. And their pregnancy, teen birth rates are higher than teens who have had medically accurate, useful and truthful sex-ed. If you think this is wrong please show us the studies that show abstinence only works.

Teens with abstinence only education have a slightly older age for first sexual encounter but a much higher pregnancy and STD rate since they have not had instruction on contraception.

It is unrealistic to believe that teens are going to abstain from sex. They are bombarded with sex in media, clothing, advertisements, literature, comics, even news programs. Virginity rings and creepy father-daughter chastity dances and pledges do not keep teens from having sex and getting pregnant.
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I would disagree with the bold part. It does work many times. However, I have no problem with birth control being taught as a second option.
 
Mashmont said:
What is the government doing now but forcing godless views on everyone. It's time eliminate the silly notion of 'separation of church and state'. It can't be done, because the alternative to religion is atheism.
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Really? What godless laws don't you want to follow? Women's right to privacy? Gay's right to equal treatment? The prohibition against calling minority names in public? Interesting that you should complain of being forced to do something you don't like since you have been advocating exactly that: demanding that women give up their Constitutional right to privacy and follow your Church's laws on morality.
 
Magdalene said:
I would disagree with the bold part. It does work many times. However, I have no problem with birth control being taught as a second option.
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Abstinence only means that contraceptives are not discussed, described or suggested.
 
weaver2 said:
Pro-life advocates say they are profoundly disturbed by the 50M fetuses aborted in the US since Roe v.Wade was decided in 1973. Again and again they describe their horror about the messiness of abortion, their sorrow over lost "babies", their disgust with the callous women who abort. But do they have any solutions for reducing the number of abortions other than banning and criminalizing it and if so what are they?
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Planned Parenthood does more to prevent abortion than any pro life hypocrite. They provide access to affordable birth control and education.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Planned Parenthood does more to prevent abortion than any pro life hypocrite. They provide access to affordable birth control and education.
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Affordable birth control and education is available to everyone.
 
Mashmont said:
Abstinence works 100% of the time it's used. Birth control doesn't. Yet look at which one the left advocates.
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This is so dumb, because reality is, people don't abstain. Kids don't abstain. Teen birth rates plummeted when Colorado provided sex education and access to free birth control. Dumb places that push abstinence only, have high teen birth rates. Oh surprise, conservative idiocy doesn't work
 
weaver2 said:
Abstinence only means that contraceptives are not discussed, described or suggested.
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You are correct. And as I have said numerous times, teach abstinence. Then birth control.
 
Magdalene said:
Question for you.... how is valuing human life (a baby's), discouraging our children from sleeping with multiple people, ones who may not love them at all, and having basic self respect a bad thing?
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For starters, right wingers don't believe any of that. They show it every day for actual living, breathing, thinking people

Secondly, forcing it through laws, that's the problem. Forcing schools to go abstinence only which is proven best way to increase teen pregnancy rates. Defunding Planned Parenthood that provides affordable birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancy, amongst other thing they provide, passing laws to ban abortion. The list goes on and on
 
Mashmont said:
I don't even know where abstinence only is being taught except in the Christian schools, and it seems to be working just fine there.
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As usual, your trolling responses suck and are void of truth
These data show clearly that abstinence-only education as a state policy is ineffective in preventing teenage pregnancy and may actually be contributing to the high teenage pregnancy rates in the U.S.
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Abstinence-Only Education and Teen Pregnancy Rates: Why We Need Comprehensive Sex Education in the U.S


Oh, look what happens when you enact intelligent ideas that actually address the real world issue

Abortion rates have dropped again in Colorado, and health authorities are crediting increased access to birth control statewide.
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Colorado abortion rates keep declining. Free IUDs and easier access to the pill are the reason. – The Colorado Sun
 
Sampson Simpson said:
For starters, right wingers don't believe any of that. They show it every day for actual living, breathing, thinking people
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Wow. I am "right wing" and believe all of that wholeheartedly. It is awfully arrogant of you to think you can speak for a whole crowd of people.
 
Josie said:
Affordable birth control and education is available to everyone.
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Why do you people just throw out pointless one liners that have nothing to do with what was said, and that is a complete lie with nothing to back it up with? No, without PP, most people don't have access to affordable birth control and education, that's why PP exists.
 
Sampson Simpson said:
Why do you people just throw out pointless one liners that have nothing to do with what was said, and that is a complete lie with nothing to back it up with? No, without PP, most people don't have access to affordable birth control and education, that's why PP exists.
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Birth control is already affordable and readily available everywhere without Planned Parenthood. Every doctor's office, clinic, Walmart, gas station and sometimes school can hook you up. Health education is taught in every school, sex education is taught in every public school. Any urgent care nurse or physician, family doctor or anyone with any experience in life can help you. It's also free for you to find on your own on the internet at your local library.

Planned Parenthood is only a need for those who want abortions.
 
Magdalene said:
Wow. I am "right wing" and believe all of that wholeheartedly. It is awfully arrogant of you to think you can speak for a whole crowd of people.
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You all post the same dumb, dishonest ****, like this dumb deflection that does nothing at all to address the argument. And notice the hypocrisy, now whining about "speaking for a whole crowd" (which, by the way, I didn't) , when you just had an OP you generalized (and stupidly so)

I'm basing it on the pattern of trolling like behavior from right wingers, post lies, deflect, project, ask dumb questions, do everything but post an actual argument. And you fit the key perfectly in multiple threads.
 
Lursa said:
Of course it worked, AIDS is much much rarer today. :doh
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No, the reason WHO cites for the decline in AIDS deaths is antiretroviral therapy. Not condoms.
 
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