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Does the Pro-Life movement have any realistic solutions to abortion.

roguenuke said:
"Gay sex" was banned in many places when AIDS started and became an epidemic. Banning things doesnt prevent them from occurring.

Forget the ridiculous notion that doing so would even solve the problem

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One billion condoms passed out didn't work. It only encouraged infected people to have MORE sex and put MORE people at risk.
 
Blue Donkey said:
I am sure Lursa's point was girls and women can't always avoid having sex because of rape and incest. The definition of rape is being forced to have sexual intercourse after telling the man she does not want to. You obviously can't blame the victim for getting pregnant when that happens.
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I don't think that was Lursa's point at all, since very few of the pregnancies result from incest or rape. Those are red herrings. She's saying abstinence doesn't work because she doesn't believe kids are capable of putting their base desires over self-control.
 
Magdalene said:
Yes. And it saves the lives of what would be unwanted children.
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It also is not being taught by every health teacher in America whose students are at least 10 years old. Girls can get pregnant in fifth grade.
 
weaver2 said:
How will banning and criminalizing stop abortions? You can't teach Catholic morality in public schools. How do you propose to teach sexual and social responsibility in schools that have dropped Sex-Ed, Life Skills, and Counseling because there is no funding. Have you thought through any of these things?
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I think Catholic lay teachers like myself could do a tremendously good job as volunteer teachers in the public schools to turn this immorality around. I would do it.
 
Mashmont said:
One billion condoms passed out didn't work. It only encouraged infected people to have MORE sex and put MORE people at risk.
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I imagine you will want to invent a new police squad.

The AGP (the anti gay police)

Interrogations to begin immediately
 
vegas giants said:
I imagine you will want to invent a new police squad.

The AGP (the anti gay police)

Interrogations to begin immediately
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One great start would be to reverse the horrendous gay marriage ruling.
 
Mashmont said:
I don't think that was Lursa's point at all, since very few of the pregnancies result from incest or rape. Those are red herrings. She's saying abstinence doesn't work because she doesn't believe kids are capable of putting their base desires over self-control.
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Red herrings are ocean fish. Nothing else.

She is saying not all girls are learning about abstinence in school, which is absolutely true, and that nothing is being done to make sure they actually DO abstain from having sex.
 
Lursa said:
So then just toss the Constitution in the crapper and disrespect everyone who does not believe as you do?

Force your religious views on others?
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What is the government doing now but forcing godless views on everyone. It's time eliminate the silly notion of 'separation of church and state'. It can't be done, because the alternative to religion is atheism.
 
Blue Donkey said:
Red herrings are ocean fish. Nothing else.

She is saying not all girls are learning about abstinence in school, which is absolutely true, and that nothing is being done to make sure they actually DO abstain from having sex.
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Then why don't people fight for this? Rather than being for doing away with the problem (an unwanted pregnancy) how about advocating for better education on preventing it.
 
Mashmont said:
One great start would be to reverse the horrendous gay marriage ruling.
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You said make gay sex illegal. You want the cops involved. You want them kicking in doors
 
Blue Donkey said:
Red herrings are ocean fish. Nothing else.

She is saying not all girls are learning about abstinence in school, which is absolutely true, and that nothing is being done to make sure they actually DO abstain from having sex.
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I don't even know where abstinence only is being taught except in the Christian schools, and it seems to be working just fine there.
 
vegas giants said:
We could outlaw catholicism.


I say bring back the lions
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The Marxists trying to topple America hope for exactly that. We are the biggest impediment to their takeover.
 
Mashmont said:
The Marxists trying to topple America hope for exactly that. We are the biggest impediment to their takeover.
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The homophobes love your plan
 
Mashmont said:
This whole topic reminds me of the AIDS epidemic. Our government has spent hundreds of million dollars and 35 years trying to solve the problem.

I can solve the entire AIDS problem in five minutes and it won't cost a cent: Ban. Gay. Sex. Make it illegal. Voila. Problem solved.

But what is the 'compassionate' left's 'solution'? Encourage MORE gay sex. Enact gay marriage. Meanwhile, people continue to die.
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This is a cynical post. It is flip and adolescent. It is impossible to ban sex and you know it.
 
Mashmont said:
I don't even know where abstinence only is being taught except in the Christian schools, and it seems to be working just fine there.
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Ohio law (I don't know about other states) is mandatory sex education in middle schools and high schools. Kids learn their own reproductive system anatomy in fifth grade. After that, I learned nothing about sex until eighth grade. Not until ninth grade did I learn about abstinence, all methods of contraception for both sexes, pregnancy, and childbirth. Sex education needs to be taught to all sixth and seventh grade students in every middle school.nationwide if teaching abstinence is going to work.
 
Mashmont said:
I think Catholic lay teachers like myself could do a tremendously good job as volunteer teachers in the public schools to turn this immorality around. I would do it.
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What you are suggesting is unconstitutional.
 
Mashmont said:
What is the government doing now but forcing godless views on everyone. It's time eliminate the silly notion of 'separation of church and state'. It can't be done, because the alternative to religion is atheism.
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And the real agenda rears it ignorant pea-brained unconstitutional head.
 
Magdalene said:
Yes. And it saves the lives of what would be unwanted children.
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No, it does not, because abstinence only as a program has failed. Time and time again.

You also are displaying another example of the willful ignorance of those that choose, irrationally, to continue to promote a failed program simply because it conforms to their beliefs but not reality.

How is it rational to continue to try and promote something that is a failure?
 
weaver2 said:
This is a cynical post. It is flip and adolescent. It is impossible to ban sex and you know it.
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We have banned sex between adults and minors. We can do it with same sex sex. But first we have to undo the ridiculous and horrendous gay marriage ruling.
 
Blue Donkey said:
I am sure Lursa's point was girls and women can't always avoid having sex because of rape and incest. The definition of rape is being forced to have sexual intercourse after telling the man she does not want to. You obviously can't blame the victim for getting pregnant when that happens.
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That was not my point at all.

My point is that all adults have a right to enjoy consensual sex...and most do so responsibly. However birth control is not 100% effective and women today know that they have options if they should become pregnant...and are legally and morally allowed to choose what is best for their lives and health and futures.
 
Mashmont said:
One billion condoms passed out didn't work. It only encouraged infected people to have MORE sex and put MORE people at risk.
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Of course it worked, AIDS is much much rarer today. :doh
 
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