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[W: 1134] Students Shout Their Abortions to Disrupt A Pro-Life Display. Pathetic.

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Mashmont said:
No reality like pot smoking and getting drunk like the atheists do, is there?
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Never smoked pot, gotten drunk a number of times I can count on one hand. I've also never been a cannibal or claimed supernatural powers, so of the two of us, I think my grip on reality is the more solid one.
 
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Mashmont said:
My son could have attended any or all Ivy League schools. He repeatedly turned down the University of Virginia, despite their pursuit of him. It was just this kind of stuff that turned him against leftwing universities. It's not right that decent Catholic pro-life young men like my son would have to be subject to such filth and hatred as displayed by these girls.
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I'm guessing those leftwing universities are quietly thanking those terrible Marxist UT girls. :mrgreen:
 
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Mashmont said:
A little baby's right to live supersedes any desire for convenience a woman may have. And again, the woman made the decision for herself when she had sex. No one made her.
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Sex happens in spite of conservative Christians. Deal with it.
 
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Questerr said:
No one has the right to use the body of another person against that person's will in order to survive. You can't even take blood from a person against their will to save the life of another.

Or are you arguing that fetuses should have special rights that no person has?

BTW, when do rape victims choose to have sex?
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So the only people you are talking about getting abortions are rape victims? Interesting.

Every human has the right to live. That is not a 'special right'.
 
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weaver2 said:
Sex happens in spite of conservative Christians. Deal with it.
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And along with sex comes responsibility. When you have sex, you'd better accept caring for the life you may create
 
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weaver2 said:
I'm guessing those leftwing universities are quietly thanking those terrible Marxist UT girls. :mrgreen:
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Thanking them? I'm sure they sponsored them. This is why my son didn't want any part of these atheist Marxist schools. No reason he should have to deal with angry hateful marionettes like these troubled girls. He's too good for that.
 
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Mashmont said:
So the only people you are talking about getting abortions are rape victims? Interesting.

Every human has the right to live. That is not a 'special right'.
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But no human being has a right to use the body of another person against that person's will in order to preserve their life. I can't force you to give me a kidney if I need one to live. But you want to give that right to fetuses, making it a special right.
 
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Questerr said:
But no human being has a right to use the body of another person against that person's will in order to preserve their life. I can't force you to give me a kidney if I need one to live. But you want to give that right to fetuses, making it a special right.
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The woman gave her consent when she conceived the child. Sorry.
 
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Mashmont said:
The woman gave her consent when she conceived the child. Sorry.
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Negative. A person who has sex only consents to sex. Especially given the fact that the chances of getting pregnant from any single act of intercourse are minute, extremely minute if protection/birth control are used.

It would be like claiming that because you willingly decided to get in a car at midnight on a Saturday, you gave your consent to be hit by a drunk driver.
 
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Questerr said:
Negative. A person who has sex only consents to sex. Especially given the fact that the chances of getting pregnant from any single act of intercourse are minute, extremely minute if protection/birth control are used.

It would be like claiming that because you willingly decided to get in a car at midnight on a Saturday, you gave your consent to be hit by a drunk driver.
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You're basically saying if you jump off a building, you only consented to the jump; you did not consent to hitting the ground.
 
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Mashmont said:
You're basically saying if you jump off a building, you only consented to the jump; you did not consent to hitting the ground.
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Not at all. The chances of hitting the ground after jumping off a building are 100%. You can't consent to one without consenting to the other.

The chances of getting pregnant from a single act of intercourse range from 1% to 15% depending on the day of the month in her cycle. With birth control that drops to .3% or lower. There is no reasonable expectation that a woman who consents to sex is also consenting to getting pregnant, unless the sex was deliberately for the purpose of getting pregnant.
 
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Questerr said:
Not at all. The chances of hitting the ground after jumping off a building are 100%. You can't consent to one without consenting to the other.

The chances of getting pregnant from a single act of intercourse range from 1% to 15% depending on the day of the month in her cycle. With birth control that drops to .3% or lower. There is no reasonable expectation that a woman who consents to sex is also consenting to getting pregnant, unless the sex was deliberately for the purpose of getting pregnant.
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Depending on the height of the building, jumping from a two-story building may only carry a 1 to15% chance of being killed. With bushes or no concrete, that may drop to .2% lower. You're essentially saying when you jump off a two-story building there is no reasonable explanation that you would die. Very silly, isn't it. Obviously, you are putting yourself in the position to die by your actions just as a woman having sex puts herself in a position to conceive. When she does so, she must be prepared to bear the consequences.
 
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Mashmont said:
Depending on the height of the building, jumping from a two-story building may only carry a 1 to15% chance of being killed. With bushes or no concrete, that may drop to .2% lower. You're essentially saying when you jump off a two-story building there is no reasonable explanation that you would die. Very silly, isn't it. Obviously, you are putting yourself in the position to die by your actions just as a woman having sex puts herself in a position to conceive. When she does so, she must be prepared to bear the consequences.
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Now you are moving the goalposts. You said “hitting the ground”, not dying. Also, you’re numbers were straight pulled from mine, IE you are lying.

Doesn’t Jesus have some very bad things to say about people who bear false witness, or is it okay to lie if you are “Lying for Jesus”?
 
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Mashmont said:
Why do you?
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I have never displayed hatred towards Christianity. I tend to dislike extremists and Poes but the former are a minority and not restricted to any religion or lack thereof the latter are just POSs who have hatred towards the side they pretend to argue for.


Still waiting for you to answer my question what happened to make you hate Christianity so much?
 
Re: Students Shout Their Abortions to Disrupt A Pro-Life Display. Pathetic.

Mashmont said:
And what violent agressive acts do pro-lifers EVER commit, much less on a daily basis? Please stop spreading lies.
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1. In the United States, violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eleven people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, a police officer, two people (unclear of their connection), and a clinic escort; Seven murders occurred in the 1990s

2. Since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, 13 wounded, 100 butyric acid stink bomb attacks, 373 physical invasions, 41 bombings, 655 anthrax threats, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.
Add to that death threats and bomb threats.

3. then there is vandalism and the extreme pro-lifers who accost (vocally) people who want to go into a planned parenthood location. Sometimes so bad that there is a need for clinic escorts to protect them from aggression.

No lies about my comments.
 
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Quag said:
I have never displayed hatred towards Christianity. I tend to dislike extremists and Poes but the former are a minority and not restricted to any religion or lack thereof the latter are just POSs who have hatred towards the side they pretend to argue for.


Still waiting for you to answer my question what happened to make you hate Christianity so much?
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Why do you hate it?
 
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Questerr said:
Now you are moving the goalposts. You said “hitting the ground”, not dying. Also, you’re numbers were straight pulled from mine, IE you are lying.

Doesn’t Jesus have some very bad things to say about people who bear false witness, or is it okay to lie if you are “Lying for Jesus”?
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The percents are irrelevant. The point is the same. When you do an act, you accept responsibility for the consequences of that act. I don't give a damn about a woman who thinks she is inconvenienced. She has zero right to kill her baby.
 
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Peter King said:
1. In the United States, violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eleven people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, a police officer, two people (unclear of their connection), and a clinic escort; Seven murders occurred in the 1990s

2. Since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, 13 wounded, 100 butyric acid stink bomb attacks, 373 physical invasions, 41 bombings, 655 anthrax threats, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.
Add to that death threats and bomb threats.

3. then there is vandalism and the extreme pro-lifers who accost (vocally) people who want to go into a planned parenthood location. Sometimes so bad that there is a need for clinic escorts to protect them from aggression.

No lies about my comments.
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You said pro-lifers commit violence every day. All you can do is point to a few instances over the past 50 year, not all of which were even done by known pro-lifers. Some were just done by nuts. None were done by practicing Christians.
 
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Mashmont said:
You said pro-lifers commit violence every day. All you can do is point to a few instances over the past 50 year, not all of which were even done by known pro-lifers. Some were just done by nuts. None were done by practicing Christians.
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1. your claim that it was not done by christians is nonsense

2. a few instances? That is why planned parenthood clinics need to have volunteers to protect people from extremist christians
 
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Mashmont said:
You just wonder what kind of twisted upbringing these girls have had who brag about their abortions. Unmarried teens shouldn't even be having sex, much less abortions. And normal kids would and should feel utter shame at having destroyed little babies.
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If they've been deceived into believing (or have deceived themselves into believing) that the child in the womb isn't a child unless they want it, then they'll feel no compunction over terminating pregnancy. Hence they're dancing and jeering to advertise their belief in a lack of wrongdoing, not necessarily just a lack of guilt.

Dancing and mocking still strike me as a perverse reaction to a pro-life memorial but I've no doubt the overall purpose of the counterprotest is to convey utter contempt for pro-life values. Dancing and mocking accomplish this rather effectively, I'd say.

We mustn't hate such people. Understand that they're young, deceived, and full of pride. We all had/have our own pride and deceptions to overcome--especially when we were that age. We mustn't compromise our values, but we also mustn't requite evil for evil. If they'll listen, teach them with kindness and patience. If they won't listen, ignore them and pray that time, experience, and God's grace grant them wisdom to understand their folly.
 
Re: Students Shout Their Abortions to Disrupt A Pro-Life Display. Pathetic.

Mashmont said:
The percents are irrelevant. The point is the same. When you do an act, you accept responsibility for the consequences of that act. I don't give a damn about a woman who thinks she is inconvenienced. She has zero right to kill her baby.
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The percents are relevant. They are why my position is evidence and logic based and yours is lies based.

The baby has zero right to use a woman’s body against her will.

Personally, I don’t give a damn what you think might inconvenience you, which is why I would have the government start stripping you of your organs if your side removes body autonomy from women.
 
Re: Students Shout Their Abortions to Disrupt A Pro-Life Display. Pathetic.

Mashmont said:
Pro-Abortion Protest: Students for Life of America Display Disrupted | National Review

Earlier this month, at the University of Texas–San Antonio (UTSA), we got a disturbing glimpse of what it looks like when proponents of abortion begin to revere it as a sacrament. National pro-life group Students for Life of America reported earlier this week that pro-abortion protestors disrupted a Cemetery of the Innocents display that the group set up at UTSA.

The display consisted of 911 pink crosses in the ground to commemorate each of the unborn human lives ended by abortion every day at Planned Parenthood clinics. Students from a campus group called Students United for Planned Parenthood showed up to protest with Planned Parenthood signs and danced in the middle of the memorial, while some of them shouted in sing-song, “I’ve had an abortion!”

The protesters repeatedly yelled that they love abortion, and some pointed at the crosses, saying, “Look, there’s mine right there.” One student described aborting fetuses as her “number-one kink.” They also chanted, “Hey, stop, what’s that sound? All the fetuses are in the ground,” riffing on the protest song “For What It’s Worth.”

You just wonder what kind of twisted upbringing these girls have had who brag about their abortions. Unmarried teens shouldn't even be having sex, much less abortions. And normal kids would and should feel utter shame at having destroyed little babies. You also wonder about the adults who sponsor these vile girls and provide them with their songs and talking points. But this is the sort of Marxist perversion college campuses allow. And it's this kind of destructive atheist leftwing ideology that needs to be rooted out of college campuses. Our kids deserve much better.

My son could have attended any or all Ivy League schools. He repeatedly turned down the University of Virginia, despite their pursuit of him. It was just this kind of stuff that turned him against leftwing universities. It's not right that decent Catholic pro-life young men like my son would have to be subject to such filth and hatred as displayed by these girls.
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While I'm pro-choice for any reason in the first trimester, I agree that the show put on by these girls was disgusting.

They should be ashamed of themselves.
 
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COTO said:
If they've been deceived into believing (or have deceived themselves into believing) that the child in the womb isn't a child unless they want it, then they'll feel no compunction over terminating pregnancy. Hence they're dancing and jeering to advertise their belief in a lack of wrongdoing, not necessarily just a lack of guilt.

Dancing and mocking still strike me as a perverse reaction to a pro-life memorial but I've no doubt the overall purpose of the counterprotest is to convey utter contempt for pro-life values. Dancing and mocking accomplish this rather effectively, I'd say.

We mustn't hate such people. Understand that they're young, deceived, and full of pride. We all had/have our own pride and deceptions to overcome--especially when we were that age. We mustn't compromise our values, but we also mustn't requite evil for evil. If they'll listen, teach them with kindness and patience. If they won't listen, ignore them and pray that time, experience, and God's grace grant them wisdom to understand their folly.
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Very wise advice to be sure.
 
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