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Prolifers: what do you think happens to the souls of aborted fetuses and embryos?

Blue Donkey said:
Correct. Jesus would do whatever it takes to make sure the woman will be able to get through nine months of pregnancy and avoid wanting an abortion. Pro-lifers want to do everything to betray her instead.
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Oh? Is that why there are numerous pro-life agencies that do exactly what you said Jesus would do?

And if Jesus wouldn't be for her to get an abortion, why are you for it? Why wouldn't YOU do what Jesus would do?
 
Magdalene said:
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No, I mean that some conversations are going nowhere so I quit. LOL
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It's going nowhere because you don't have a good response? Worried about cognitive dissonance or something?
 
Josie said:
Would you kill all of the people in your own situations? Do you think those who are severely mentally ill now who can't do anything for themselves should be mercy killed?
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Most mentally ill people can do a lot for themselves depending on what the problem is.
 
Blue Donkey said:
Most mentally ill people can do a lot for themselves depending on what the problem is.
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And I wasn't talking about them. I explicitly said "severely mentally ill who can't do anything for themselves".
 
Josie said:
Oh? Is that why there are numerous pro-life agencies that do exactly what you said Jesus would do?

And if Jesus wouldn't be for her to get an abortion, why are you for it? Why wouldn't YOU do what Jesus would do?
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hat pro-life agencies are in every city and village? None. If the government covers their needs, it does not matter where they live.

I do what Jesus would do when I vote for Democrats in November. Read The Sermon On The Mount.
 
Tlrmln said:
It's going nowhere because you don't have a good response? Worried about cognitive dissonance or something?
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Are YOU okay with a government policy that anyone who is young enough or doesn't have the mental capacity to have sinned be mercy killed because it would "do them a favor"?
 
Blue Donkey said:
hat pro-life agencies are in every city and village? None. If the government covers their needs, it does not matter where they live.

I do what Jesus would do when I vote for Democrats in November.
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There are Christians and non-Christians alike everywhere who help people. That's what Jesus said to do, isn't it?

Jesus would vote? LOL!
 
Blue Donkey said:
I do what Jesus would do when I vote for Democrats in November. Read The Sermon On The Mount.
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I have - many times.

Where in the Sermon on the Mount does Jesus say that you should support government policies that take money from people to help the poor?
 
Josie said:
There are Christians and non-Christians alike everywhere who help people. That's what Jesus said to do, isn't it?

Jesus would vote? LOL!
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Jesus agrees with the Democratic platform about helping the poor in every way possible no matter how old they are, where they come from, or what problems they have in life. He is the one who said, "Ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you." That is what Democrats want to do: help everyone get what they need.
 
Josie said:
I have - many times.

Where in the Sermon on the Mount does Jesus say that you should support government policies that take money from people to help the poor?
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Democratic politics agree with the words that follow "blessed" and oppose the words that follow "woe" on every line.
 
Blue Donkey said:
Jesus agrees with the Democratic platform about helping the poor in every way possible no matter how old they are, where they come from, or what problems they have in life. He is the one who said, "Ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you." That is what Democrats want to do: help everyone get what they need.
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Mmmkay, sure.
 
Blue Donkey said:
Democratic politics agree with the words that follow "blessed" and oppose the words that follow "woe" on every line.
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That didn't answer my question.

I bet Jesus would run for President in your mind if He was on Earth now, huh? At the very least, you think He'd be preaching for His followers to vote for Democrats, right? He'd agree with everything the Dems believe except for the very topic we're discussing -- abortion. Is this correct?
 
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Josie said:
That didn't answer my question.

I bet Jesus would run for President in your mind if He was on Earth now, huh? At the very least, you think He'd be preaching for His followers to vote for Democrats, right? He'd agree with everything the Dems believe except for the very topic we're discussing -- abortion. Is this correct?
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You are just trying to dance around the issue and avoid thinking critically about the Democratic platform. It should not be so hard to understand Democrats support the same policies Jesus does and Republicans oppose what he wants.

On the abortion topic, I was very clear that Jesus would do whatever it takes to make women not want to have abortions, and therefore prevent them through COMPASSION, not threats to be fined and thrown in jail. This is what Democrats want. Republicans, meanwhile, want women to be locked up for no reason except they got pregnant and don't want to be moms. Do you want women to be treated with respect and dignity during the worst times of their lives or betray them? It is obvious which one Jesus prefers and would do himself.
 
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Blue Donkey said:
You are just trying to dance around the issue and avoid thinking critically about the Democratic platform. It should not be so hard to understand Democrats support the same policies Jesus does and Republicans oppose what he wants.
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I'm dancing around nothing. Jesus didn't support or oppose political policies. Nothing about His words supports government action in helping the poor, but about YOU - an individual - helping the poor. You've fallen into the same trap that other Christians have and allowed politics to warp the words of Jesus Christ in your mind. You don't read the Bible anymore as it was written -- you read it through a Democratic voter lens because it's politics that's the most important to you. Pretty sad.
 
Blue Donkey said:
On the abortion topic, I was very clear that Jesus would do whatever it takes to make women not want to have abortions, and therefore prevent them through COMPASSION, not threats to be fined and thrown in jail. This is what Democrats want. Republicans, meanwhile, want women to be locked up for no reason except they got pregnant and don't want to be moms. Do you want women to be treated with respect and dignity during the worst times of their lives or betray them? It is obvious which one Jesus prefers and would do himself.
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If Jesus wouldn't be for abortions, why are you?
 
Josie said:
Are YOU okay with a government policy that anyone who is young enough or doesn't have the mental capacity to have sinned be mercy killed because it would "do them a favor"?
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Not at all. What a silly question. A disabled person does not depend on using the body of a single person to survive.
 
Tlrmln said:
Not at all. What a silly question. A disabled person does not depend on using the body of a single person to survive.
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Not a silly question at all. You're the one who said that Christians should want to mercy kill unborn children because they hadn't sinned yet. So why not anyone who isn't old enough or have the mental capacity to sin yet? Now you want to add a caveat that you only meant that because the fetus lives off another person's body, but severely disabled people also cannot survive without another person's body.
 
Josie said:
I'm dancing around nothing. Jesus didn't support or oppose political policies. Nothing about His words supports government action in helping the poor, but about YOU - an individual - helping the poor. You've fallen into the same trap that other Christians have and allowed politics to warp the words of Jesus Christ in your mind. You don't read the Bible anymore as it was written -- you read it through a Democratic voter lens because it's politics that's the most important to you. Pretty sad.
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Yes you are dancing around it. You keep saying it is all about whether Jesus would want to kill a fetus or not without even trying to consider the 100% probability he would do everything possible to show her RESPECT and DIGNITY while being COMPASSIONATE instead of making her go to jail just because she is unable to take care of a baby and or end her suffering while carrying it. Why don't YOU care about the mothers who did nothing wrong to PREVENT them from having their unwanted fetuses killed? That is how Jesus feels about it - prevent abortions by HELPING THE MOMS.

Josie said:
If Jesus wouldn't be for abortions, why are you?
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I am for helping women who are at a high risk of wanting abortions from needing to do it. Why don't you even think at all about those women and the situations they are in?
 
Blue Donkey said:
Yes you are dancing around it. You keep saying it is all about whether Jesus would want to kill a fetus or not without even trying to consider the 100% probability he would do everything possible to show her RESPECT and DIGNITY while being COMPASSIONATE instead of making her go to jail just because she is unable to take care of a baby and or end her suffering while carrying it. Why don't YOU care about the mothers who did nothing wrong to PREVENT them from having their unwanted fetuses killed? That is how Jesus feels about it - prevent abortions by HELPING THE MOMS.
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You keep saying I'm not compassionate because in your warped mind the only compassionate people on earth are Democrats. The only compassionate people are those who are for big government policies and entitlement programs. You don't even consider people who are charitable, loving, compassionate and giving without going through government hoops. That's super messed up, ya know.


I am for helping women who are at a high risk of wanting abortions from needing to do it. Why don't you even think at all about those women and the situations they are in?
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You aren't against women having abortions. So..... you didn't answer my question --- if Jesus is against abortion, why are you for it?

Why do you immediately assume things about people because they aren't Democrats? What has caused you to have such a narrow-minded view of others? You should be applauding those pro-life agencies that do help women with young children and women who aren't financially ready for a baby. But you don't -- you demean them. Why?
 
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Josie said:
You keep saying I'm not compassionate because in your warped mind the only compassionate people on Earth are Democrats. That's super messed up, you know.
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Again, you are refusing to think for one second about the fact Jesus helped and preached helping poor people, including women, who are suffering and don't have what they need. He taught people not to keep their money, but to give it to the poor. This is the opposite of the Republican party, which only wants rich people to get more money at the expense of financial aid for poor people, and take health care away from thousands of people who can't take care of themselves without it. They want to lock up women who already had abortions instead of doing what Jesus would do for help women who are at a high risk of getting abortions. Do you want to betray women who get elective abortions because they can't get what is necessary to avoid doing it?

You aren't against women having abortions. So you didn't answer my question: if Jesus is against abortion, why are you for it?
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I am for PREVENTING abortions and would NEVER recommend doing it just because the woman does not want a baby. I already told you that. Why do you think caring about the mother is the same as not caring about the fetus?

Why do you immediately assume things about people because they aren't Democrats? What has caused you to have such a narrow-minded view of others?
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Let me know when all conservatives agree with the teachings and ministry of Jesus about helping everyone, not just a select few, and prefer to help poor people instead of the rich.
 
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Blue Donkey said:
Again, you are refusing to think for one second about the fact Jesus helped and preached helping poor people, including women, who are suffering and don't have what they need. He taught people not to keep their money, but to give it to the poor.
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I'm not refusing anything of the sort. I've been saying it this entire conversation. Your mind translates that to politics, while my mind reads it as it is --- I should help people myself.

This is the opposite of the Republican party, which only wants rich people to get more money at the expense of financial aid for poor people, and take health care away from thousands of people who can't take care of themselves without it.
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Why does it all come back to politics to you? Jesus didn't preach about government taking from the rich and giving to the poor, but about YOU doing it. There's some disconnect in your brain that you aren't understanding that. As I said before, you don't read the Bible as it is -- you read it through a Democratic voter lens. Everything Jesus says has to be connected to politics in some way because that's the way you've been brainwashed to think.

They want to lock up women who already had abortions instead of doing what Jesus would do for help women who are at a high risk of getting abortions. Do you want to betray women who get elective abortions because they can't get what is necessary to avoid doing it?
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Almost every single abortion is already avoidable. As I've already said repeatedly, there are numerous organizations, agencies and churches that will help people who need financial help. Your "Democrats - good; Republicans - bad" tribalist mindset won't allow you to see that. Why do you demean the very pro-life organizations that help women? I'll answer that --- because they aren't Democrats. Right? It's all about your party, your team, your letter, your blue donkey.

I am for PREVENTING abortions and would NEVER recommend doing it just because the woman does not want a baby. I already told you that.
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Yet, you're still NOT against abortion even though you said Jesus would be. Why is that?

Why do you think caring about the mother is the same as not caring about the fetus?
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I don't. Those are words you just imagined I said.

Let me know when all conservatives agree with the teachings and ministry and Jesus about helping everyone, not just a select few, and prefer to help poor people instead of the rich.
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See? You're doing it again. You think every single person you ever encounter that isn't a Democrat needs to think XYZ or they're ALL bad. Stop thinking about people as groups and think of them as individuals. Not all Democrats are pure as the driven snow and not all Republicans are the face of evil. The narrow-mindedness that you're displaying here is breath-takingly shallow and shows how intellectually naïve you are.
 
Rising Sun said:
It depends upon whether or not you believe in souls and, if so, why you believe souls are put into temporary corporeal existence.
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And thus, the reason why no legal decisions regarding reproduction should ever be based on religious 'beliefs.'
 
Magdalene said:
:lamo
No, I mean that some conversations are going nowhere so I quit. LOL
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He was trying to take your offered opinion to the logical conclusion, that's all.
 
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