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    Re: If conservatives want to be draconian about abortion, then they should go full measure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Warfield View Post
    So far, the GOP has sent out bills in various levels of government to restrict abortion by insisting on punishing women and doctors. I say this only solves two-thirds of the problem if they are serious in getting rid of abortion in this fashion.

    Men have to be punished, too.

    First, we would need to abolish pre-martial sex. Outlaw it. No, a woman would be punished as well, but a man would also need to be punished for violating abstinence. If he has sex with a consenting woman who is of age, his punishment should be a year of helping to provide care for babies 24/7 in orphanages and hospitals. A second offense lands him a year in jail. A third offense would require chemical castration as clearly he cannot control his urges. A woman would undergo similar punishments.

    If a man gets a woman of age pregnant before marriage, upon completion of whatever sentence he gets, the two will be forced to marry and raise the child until the child is 18.

    If a man gets a woman of age pregnant outside of his own marriage, he is responsible for the care of that child on top of whatever sentence receives. The wife cannot file for divorce until the child of that marriage is 18. IF the wife is a willing participant with a man not her husband, then she has to undergo the sentencing as well, and if a child is conceived, she must also care for that child as well.

    If a man rapes a woman of age, he gets chemically castrated. If he gets the woman pregnant, all of his assets will be seized and sold to support the woman, and 50% of all earnings both in and out of prison go towards the care of the child and the child's education until the child hits 18.

    If a man rapes an underage girl...death.

    If a man rapes an underage girl and gets her pregnant, death AND his surviving family picks up the cost to help raise the child until the child is 18.

    Obviously, there would be more to this overall, but I think you get the idea.

    Even more obvious is that I am being sarcastic, because I truly doubt anyone wants to live a Snake Plisken world....
    many right wingers would love a Gilead type world where they can murder non believers and people of other races and rape women

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    Re: If conservatives want to be draconian about abortion, then they should go full measure.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Funny. If God had wanted sex between adults to be a sin, he'd have made the hymen with a safety lock to be opened by the preacher upon completion of the ceremony. Instead he made both sexes ready, willing, and able to do the deed at somewhere around 11 or 12. But he didn't.
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    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: If conservatives want to be draconian about abortion, then they should go full measure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Do men know the risks and consequences before they have sex? Yes or no?

    Are men capable of making a good decision in their own best interests regarding sex? Yes or no?

    If the answers are yes, then how are you blaming women or the law or anyone else? Why shouldnt men be held accountable for their knowing decisions?

    Otherwise, you are just advocating for men to still be able to have sex without consequences, like that have been thru almost all history. Times and society have changed.

    Women have never been able to have sex without consequences and still cannot.

    So now neither are guaranteed sex without consequences...that sounds perfectly equal to me. Can you explain how it's not?
    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader13 View Post
    eh now you're just repeating the same old nonsense that has already been rebuked.
    Btw, I notice that you didnt answer the questions above...why not? They are simple and direct, is there a reason you cant answer them the same way?
    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: If conservatives want to be draconian about abortion, then they should go full measure.

    It's always absurd men whining complaining that women have the upper hand in one thing, child birth. Men have dominated and gotten their way over women throughotu most of history, they get paid more, they have more power, etc etc etc.

    And they don't have to go through 9 months of unpleasantness, sacrifice, and risk to health to develop the baby. So spare this unfair nonsense. Women are the ones who sacrifice to have children.

    So stop with this "its not fair". it's completely absurd

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    Re: If conservatives want to be draconian about abortion, then they should go full measure.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Funny. If God had wanted sex between adults to be a sin, he'd have made the hymen with a safety lock to be opened by the preacher upon completion of the ceremony. Instead he made both sexes ready, willing, and able to do the deed at somewhere around 11 or 12. But he didn't.
    If god thinks sex is a sin yet gave humans a huge, natural instinct to want to have sex, than he's a sadistic bastard.

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    Re: If conservatives want to be draconian about abortion, then they should go full measure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sampson Simpson View Post
    It's always absurd men whining complaining that women have the upper hand in one thing, child birth. Men have dominated and gotten their way over women throughotu most of history, they get paid more, they have more power, etc etc etc.

    And they don't have to go through 9 months of unpleasantness, sacrifice, and risk to health to develop the baby. So spare this unfair nonsense. Women are the ones who sacrifice to have children.

    So stop with this "its not fair". it's completely absurd
    And embarrassing IMO, to insist that men are such victims, unable to make good decisions in their own best interests.

    I have never even implied such, I believe men can. What I dont understand is why they dont more often.
    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: If conservatives want to be draconian about abortion, then they should go full measure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sampson Simpson View Post
    If god thinks sex is a sin yet gave humans a huge, natural instinct to want to have sex, than he's a sadistic bastard.
    It's very much a Catholic thing. God does want us to enjoy sex and procreate.

    Catholics want more boots on the ground, more hands to push $$ into the collection plates...so they attempt to eliminate any means to prevent births and to enable the offspring's survival (in the old days, a male protector was better than little bastards with a single mother).
    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: If conservatives want to be draconian about abortion, then they should go full measure.

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    He's just mad because women have one option that men don't have. Just one option he doesn't have sends him into a frenzy of demanding equality.
    Exactly. And how equal is it that women are the ones that get pregnant and have to gestate and deliver if they choose to not abort? Or, if they do abort, they have to pay for it (in the US) and go through the procedure.

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    Re: If conservatives want to be draconian about abortion, then they should go full measure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sampson Simpson View Post
    many right wingers would love a Gilead type world where they can murder non believers and people of other races and rape women
    May that never, ever happen.

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    Re: If conservatives want to be draconian about abortion, then they should go full measure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sampson Simpson View Post
    If god thinks sex is a sin yet gave humans a huge, natural instinct to want to have sex, than he's a sadistic bastard.
    I am Christian and I agree. It does not make sense. Same with homosexuality - why did he make some to be gay, then say they cannot have gay sex? Something is missing, perhaps a mistranslation in the Bible or something.

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