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Male Post-Conception Opt Out

What people who support unequal laws can't overcome in this debate is one very simple fact.
A woman has the legal right to terminate a pregnancy for the sole purpose of fulfilling her desire to not be a parent. Her right to abort is not limited to health risks. She has the freedom to abort for any reason she wants.

Men on the other hand, are held as legal hostages to whatever the woman decides. He has no rights what so ever but faces legal culpability for a decission made without his consent.

Even the argument that the law is equal because if a surrogate is involved, the woman cant abort the child during the pregnancy, is a logical fallacy; because the woman made the choice to use a surrogate to begin with. The fact that she cant change her mind after the fact is really a flawed conflation of equality.

There are male rape victims that not only did the courts award custody of his child to his rape victim, but they are also court order to provide his rapist with finacial support. I dont know this for a fact, but it would not surprise in the least, if some of these male victims have restraining orders on them preventing them from having contact with thier children to boot.

The law does not even give men the courtesy of requiring the mother to inform the father that she's pregnant, allowing him adequate time to prepare for fatherhood. Nor does the law require that she ever inform the father that he has a child. The law however does allow that same woman who witholds that rather pertinent information, to later go after the father for years of back support, after she denied him the right of being a father to that child while it was growing up.

I get why these laws came into being once upon a time ago but society has evolved past the need or usefulness of them. Its time to reexamine them and rewrite them to reflect modern societal needs.

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"...but faces legal culpability for a decission made without his consent." Was he asleep when he impregnated her?
 
BOOM just like i thought!!
another delicious fail and lie, this keep getting better and better I love it!! LMAO

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality.

when you or ANYBODY can prove otherwise please do, you wont, cause you cant LMAO

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet? . . anybody . . one fact that shows otherwise . . one? thanks!

Prove my post is a lie. It's a fact...why should we take your word that it's not?

Where is your proof?


You are posting the lie.
 
Prove my post is a lie. It's a fact...why should we take your word that it's not?

Where is your proof?


You are posting the lie.
Bwhahahahah another delicious fail, and now a hilarious failed deflection!! AWESOME!!!!

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality.

when you or ANYBODY can prove otherwise please do, you wont, cause you cant

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet? . . anybody . . one fact that shows otherwise . . one? thanks!
 
Bwhahahahah another delicious fail, and now a hilarious failed deflection!! AWESOME!!!!

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality.

when you or ANYBODY can prove otherwise please do, you wont, cause you cant

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet? . . anybody . . one fact that shows otherwise . . one? thanks!

You have not proven your statements are facts...why should we believe you without proof?

What you posted is no more factual than "the moon is made of green cheese." Anyone can type anything.

Your statements stand unproven and are facts only in your imagination until you support them with actual facts.

I have already proven that your first claim is false. Now...you prove I'm wrong. Can you?
 
You have not proven your statements are facts...why should we believe you without proof?

What you posted is no more factual than "the moon is made of green cheese." Anyone can type anything.

Your statements stand unproven and are facts only in your imagination until you support them with actual facts.

I have already proven that your first claim is false. Now...you prove I'm wrong. Can you?

Post this false claim 1000 times it will NEVER be true. Each time its an instant loss, exposes the dishonesty and lack of integrity in your posts and continues my entertainment. I can do this forever and we will remains in the exact same spot! :)
Facts, legality and thread history > than your feelings and lies

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality.

when you or ANYBODY can prove otherwise please do, you wont, cause you cant

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet? . . anybody . . one fact that shows otherwise . . one? thanks!
 
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"...but faces legal culpability for a decission made without his consent." Was he asleep when he impregnated her?
Are you conflating sexual consent with parental consent?

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Post this false claim 1000 times it will NEVER be true. Each time its an instant loss, exposes the dishonesty and lack of integrity in your posts and continues my entertainment. I can do this forever and we will remains in the exact same spot! :)
Facts, legality and thread history > than your feelings and lies

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality.

when you or ANYBODY can prove otherwise please do, you wont, cause you cant

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet? . . anybody . . one fact that shows otherwise . . one? thanks!

Um, perhaps you arent clear on what proof is? Your proclamations above are not proof of anything, except perhaps delusion.

You may proclaim away...but unless you actually support your claims, esp. the first one...your posts are meaningless. Why should we believe anything without proof?
 
Um, perhaps you arent clear on what proof is? Your proclamations above are not proof of anything, except perhaps delusion.

You may proclaim away...but unless you actually support your claims, esp. the first one...your posts are meaningless. Why should we believe anything without proof?

Post this false claim 1000 times it will NEVER be true. Each time its an instant loss, exposes the dishonesty and lack of integrity in your posts and continues my entertainment. I can do this forever and we will remains in the exact same spot!
Facts, legality and thread history > than your feelings and lies

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality.

when you or ANYBODY can prove otherwise please do, you wont, cause you cant

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet? . . anybody . . one fact that shows otherwise . . one? thanks!
 
Post this false claim 1000 times it will NEVER be true. Each time its an instant loss, exposes the dishonesty and lack of integrity in your posts and continues my entertainment. I can do this forever and we will remains in the exact same spot!
Facts, legality and thread history > than your feelings and lies

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality.

when you or ANYBODY can prove otherwise please do, you wont, cause you cant

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet? . . anybody . . one fact that shows otherwise . . one? thanks!

LOLOLOL

I'm not posting anything now except that your posts are unproven BS. You can cut and paste them forever...but they arent considered anything remotely factual without seeing them supported.

Proclaim away....:mrgreen:
 
LOLOLOL

I'm not posting anything now except that your posts are unproven BS. You can cut and paste them forever...but they arent considered anything remotely factual without seeing them supported.

Proclaim away....:mrgreen:

Post this false claim 1000 times it will NEVER be true. Each time its an instant loss, exposes the dishonesty and lack of integrity in your posts and continues my entertainment. I can do this forever and we will remains in the exact same spot!
Facts, legality and thread history > than your feelings and lies

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality.

when you or ANYBODY can prove otherwise please do, you wont, cause you cant

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet? . . anybody . . one fact that shows otherwise . . one? thanks!
 
Are you conflating sexual consent with parental consent?

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No, I'm saying the act of having sex that could result in pregnancy was where the male gave consent to the woman to carry, or not carry, to term.
 
Post this false claim 1000 times it will NEVER be true. Each time its an instant loss, exposes the dishonesty and lack of integrity in your posts and continues my entertainment.!
Right back atcha.

You have not proven your claims true.

Proclaim away....everyone else can see that you havent supported your claims.

Cheers!
 
Right back atcha.

You have not proven your claims true.

Proclaim away....everyone else can see that you havent supported your claims.

Cheers!

Post this false claim 1000 times it will NEVER be true. Each time its an instant loss, exposes the dishonesty and lack of integrity in your posts and continues my entertainment. I can do this forever and we will remains in the exact same spot!
Facts, legality and thread history > than your feelings and lies

FACTS:
The laws are currently factually set up unequal based on legality
Biology is meaningless to the topic of equality based on legality.

when you or ANYBODY can prove otherwise please do, you wont, cause you cant

Does anybody have anything to change those facts yet? . . anybody . . one fact that shows otherwise . . one? thanks!
 
No, I'm saying the act of having sex that could result in pregnancy was where the male gave consent to the woman to carry, or not carry, to term.
In the case of consentual sex, both parties gave consent to sex not parenthood. When an unplanned pregnancy occurs the woman has the legal right to terminate based on the sole reason that she does not want to be responsible for that child. The law offers the male no alternatives at all. The law even goes as far as holding men who did not give their consent and were raped or had their sperm stolen from them liable for the choices the woman made without his consent.

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No, I'm saying the act of having sex that could result in pregnancy was where the male gave consent to the woman to carry, or not carry, to term.
In the case of consentual sex, both parties gave consent to sex not parenthood. When an unplanned pregnancy occurs the woman has the legal right to terminate based on the sole reason that she does not want to be responsible for that child. The law offers the male no alternatives at all. The law even goes as far as holding men who did not give their consent and were raped or had their sperm stolen from them liable for the choices the woman made without his consent.

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Here, I'll save Mrjurrs some trouble and let him see what you already know (but avoid answering honestly), and he can take it from there:

--Do men know the risks and consequences before they have sex? Yes or no?

--Are men capable of making a good decision in their own best interests regarding sex? Yes or no?

If the answers are yes, then how are you blaming women or the law or anyone else? Why shouldnt men be held accountable for their knowing decisions?

Otherwise, you are just advocating for men to still be able to have sex without consequences, like that have been thru almost all history. Times and society have changed.

Women have never been able to have sex without consequences and still cannot.

So now neither are guaranteed sex without consequences...that sounds perfectly equal to me. Can you explain how it's not?​

Consent to sex is consent to the consequences of sex. However due to biology, the consequences differ. Laws arent going to change the biological factors and make things 'more fair' or equal. If anything, because of biology, women will always have the more dire consequences.
 
"...but faces legal culpability for a decission made without his consent." Was he asleep when he impregnated her?

This argument is about post conception opt out of parenthood.... she has one and he does not.
 
No, I'm saying the act of having sex that could result in pregnancy was where the male gave consent to the woman to carry, or not carry, to term.

Women argue that consent to sex is not consent to parenthood... you are arguing for a double standard and that is unequal.
 
Here, I'll save Mrjurrs some trouble and let him see what you already know (but avoid answering honestly), and he can take it from there:

--Do men know the risks and consequences before they have sex? Yes or no?

--Are men capable of making a good decision in their own best interests regarding sex? Yes or no?

If the answers are yes, then how are you blaming women or the law or anyone else? Why shouldnt men be held accountable for their knowing decisions?

Otherwise, you are just advocating for men to still be able to have sex without consequences, like that have been thru almost all history. Times and society have changed.

Women have never been able to have sex without consequences and still cannot.

So now neither are guaranteed sex without consequences...that sounds perfectly equal to me. Can you explain how it's not?​

Consent to sex is consent to the consequences of sex. However due to biology, the consequences differ. Laws arent going to change the biological factors and make things 'more fair' or equal. If anything, because of biology, women will always have the more dire consequences.

*sigh*

"Blaming women"... :roll:

Just more Lursa Lies...
 
*sigh*

"Blaming women"... :roll:

Just more Lursa Lies...

Good lord! If you are going to 'not ignore' me, at least add something to discuss instead of more unsupported claims about lying. You're showing knee-jerk reactions like Pavlov's dog.

Feel free to specify...where's the lie?
 
Good lord! If you are going to 'not ignore' me, at least add something to discuss instead of more unsupported claims about lying. You're showing knee-jerk reactions like Pavlov's dog.

I did not say that I was going to ignore you...

Feel free to specify...where's the lie?

You are incapable of understanding...
 
Women argue that consent to sex is not consent to parenthood... you are arguing for a double standard and that is unequal.

All women? Only women, no men? Funny, men argue that here too. Like the guy you're responding to :roll:

And I'm a woman and I dont argue that.

You just cant help blaming women for everything, can you?

Your posts are so sexist :doh
 
I did not say that I was going to ignore you...

You told one of the 13's you had me on ignore or tried to do so...shall I find the post or will you admit to lying?

You are incapable of understanding...

Of course I am capable...or lets see...maybe you can prove it! Post my lies. Please!
 
You told one of the 13's you had me on ignore or tried to do so...shall I find the post or will you admit to lying?

This is your problem... I did not say that I was going to ignore you or that I had you on ignore... I said that you are on my Ignore List but that I also sometimes read what you post. The problem between you and me is that I am far smarter than you are and that you do not understand this fact. :shrug:
 
I have her on Ignore... I sometimes, stupidly, read her posts and respond though...

You told one of the 13's you had me on ignore or tried to do so...shall I find the post or will you admit to lying?

Of course I am capable...or lets see...maybe you can prove it! Post my lies. Please!
This is your problem... I did not say that I was going to ignore you or that I had you on ignore... I said that you are on my Ignore List but that I also sometimes read what you post.

Funniest post ever!

Tell me again about *my* lies?

The problem between you and me is that I am far smarter than you are and that you do not understand this fact. :shrug:

Oh lordy, that's a knee-slapper!

You cant post a single lie you accuse me of, and you continually fail to make this argument, over and over.

To paraphrase Einstein: the definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. :lamo

And you even admit it, above.
 
Funniest post ever!

Tell me again about *my* lies?



Oh lordy, that's a knee-slapper!

You cant post a single lie you accuse me of, and you continually fail to make this argument, over and over.

To paraphrase Einstein: the definition of stupid is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. :lamo

And you even admit it, above.

Ignore is capitalized for a reason... try and figure it out.
 
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