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    Re: Male Post-Conception Opt Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    It's men who are manipulated. They should opt out. many do anyways.
    How are men manipulated? Please explain.
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    Re: Mazel tov!

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    Women get to choose agaion after sex. Men should have the right to decide AFTER sex as well. Equal.
    That's determined by biology, not law. The law cant make it 'equal,' if it could, then men would also get pregnant.

    Since men KNOW they cant decide 'after' the act...please explain why they cant protect themselves and decide before they have sex with the woman? They have 100% control over that...to avoid unwanted parenthood. Why dont they do what's in their own best interests? Are you claiming men are incapable of protecting themselves?
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    Re: Male Post-Conception Opt Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Nice little proclamation.

    But not an argument. Basically, just another 'na huh!' instead of being able to articulate an argument.

    Certainly you couldnt directly answer my questions:

    So again: how do you justify forcing the taxpayers to pay for something that 2 people knowingly risked creating? Why shouldnt both be held accountable? Does Vegas let people off the hook when they gamble? No. Why should the responsible parties "not be held responsible?" They knew the risks.
    I'm not required to answer your questions. I believe men should have the right to opt out. It's only fair. Equality and all.

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    Re: Male Post-Conception Opt Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How are men manipulated? Please explain.
    They don't get a post sex choice like women do. Men should have the right to opt out.

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    Re: Mazel tov!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That's determined by biology, not law. The law cant make it 'equal,' if it could, then men would also get pregnant.

    Since men KNOW they cant decide 'after' the act...please explain why they cant protect themselves and decide before they have sex with the woman? They have 100% control over that...to avoid unwanted parenthood. Why dont they do what's in their own best interests? Are you claiming men are incapable of protecting themselves?
    Why not put the birth control burden on both? the give men the right to opt out. Women can then do what they want.

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    Re: Male Post-Conception Opt Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    I'm not required to answer your questions. I believe men should have the right to opt out. It's only fair. Equality and all.
    Of course you're not required

    I'm just pointing out that here you are on a discussion forum, involved in a discussion, and you have hit the end of your rope with no further ability to articulate an argument.

    And each time I've explained how it's equal or as equal as it can be...you just proclaim 'na huh!' over and over instead of countering my arguments.

    And who ever said life is fair? Is it fair that women are the ones that get pregnant? Good lord, that is a childish perspective for anyone! The law cant make everything fair. The opt-out is certainly not 'fair' for taxpayers...and we're not responsible for creating the kid.

    But here it is again, so people can keep up:

    So again: how do you justify forcing the taxpayers to pay for something that 2 people knowingly risked creating? Why shouldnt both be held accountable? Does Vegas let people off the hook when they gamble? No. Why should the responsible parties "not be held responsible?" They knew the risks.
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    Re: Mazel tov!

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    Why not put the birth control burden on both? the give men the right to opt out. Women can then do what they want.
    Since when isnt the bc 'burden' on both? Altho I have no idea how that is relevant to the discussion.

    IMO men are stupid to trust women they dont know well that say they're on the Pill or other just so they dont have to use a condom. Er, the condom is worth it to save 18 yrs of child support.

    And I say the same thing in threads about some future men's birth control pills...that women would be stupid to rely on a man's word alone if they didnt know him very well.
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    Re: Male Post-Conception Opt Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    They don't get a post sex choice like women do. Men should have the right to opt out.
    Yeah...you wrote that already. And I addressed it.

    Cutting and pasting will do, since I guess you're not bothering to read it anyway:

    That's determined by biology, not law. The law cant make it 'equal,' if it could, then men would also get pregnant.

    Since men KNOW they cant decide 'after' the act...please explain why they cant protect themselves and decide before they have sex with the woman? They have 100% control over that...to avoid unwanted parenthood. Why dont they do what's in their own best interests? Are you claiming men are incapable of protecting themselves?
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    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Male Post-Conception Opt Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yeah...you wrote that already. And I addressed it.

    Cutting and pasting will do, since I guess you're not bothering to read it anyway:

    That's determined by biology, not law. The law cant make it 'equal,' if it could, then men would also get pregnant.

    Since men KNOW they cant decide 'after' the act...please explain why they cant protect themselves and decide before they have sex with the woman? They have 100% control over that...to avoid unwanted parenthood. Why dont they do what's in their own best interests? Are you claiming men are incapable of protecting themselves?
    Men should have the right to opt out. then a woman can decide if she wants to continue the pregnancy.

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    Re: Male Post-Conception Opt Out

    Quote Originally Posted by Waddy View Post
    It's men who are manipulated. They should opt out. many do anyways.
    If a man feels this way, he should opt out by not "opting in". He can manipulate himself.

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