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Miscarriage just some mess on a napkin...

VanceMack

VanceMack

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Finally...

With every day and every step closer to dehumanizing the unborn, we finally get a leftist willing to just be honest about miscarriage and the loss of a baby....

[video=youtube;9WBMbLF-ChY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=46&v=9WBMbLF-ChY[/video]

All these years and fake tears by women that have lost just a little bit of mess on a napkin. Drama...attention seeking...its not like they mattered.
 
VanceMack said:
Finally...

With every day and every step closer to dehumanizing the unborn, we finally get a leftist willing to just be honest about miscarriage and the loss of a baby....

All these years and fake tears by women that have lost just a little bit of mess on a napkin. Drama...attention seeking...its not like they mattered.
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How much more dishonest and insensitive can you anti-choicers be??

First of all, in case you have forgotten your reproductive biology, she is factually correct. If someone miscarries in the first few weeks of pregnancy, the embryo is so small that they may not even see it.

Secondly, listen to what she's saying in context. She is speaking out against a bill that would require burial or cremation of fetal remains of an abortion of miscarriage. Vance, I personally know women who have miscarried, and I have heard from them what a traumatic experience it was for them. Your ilk wants to force them to publicize this traumatic experience or face the wrath of the state for not doing so. That is barbaric and cruel.
 
VanceMack said:
Finally...

With every day and every step closer to dehumanizing the unborn, we finally get a leftist willing to just be honest about miscarriage and the loss of a baby....



All these years and fake tears by women that have lost just a little bit of mess on a napkin. Drama...attention seeking...its not like they mattered.
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An early miscarriage may seem like that. Many miscarry thinking they are just having their period late.
 
VanceMack said:
Finally...

With every day and every step closer to dehumanizing the unborn, we finally get a leftist willing to just be honest about miscarriage and the loss of a baby....



All these years and fake tears by women that have lost just a little bit of mess on a napkin. Drama...attention seeking...its not like they mattered.
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Mmmmm... reminds me that today is leg day at the gym, and my post-workout fetal shakes are a must.
 
VanceMack said:
Drama...attention seeking...
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Almost a perfect description of your thread, except missing "blazingly dishonest." That is, unless you really do not have any clue just how small that bundle of cells is at the very start of a pregnancy. Assuming you aren't lying about her exact words "some mess on a napkin" is a pretty good description . . .

But don't let truth get in the way of self-righteous blather.
 
Mr Person said:
Almost a perfect description of your thread, except missing "blazingly dishonest." That is, unless you really do not have any clue just how small that bundle of cells is at the very start of a pregnancy. Assuming you aren't lying about her exact words "some mess on a napkin" is a pretty good description . . .

But don't let truth get in the way of self-righteous blather.
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Many like the OP choose to remain willfully ignorant about the reality of the vast majority of abortions...otherwise they couldnt continue to stoke their self-righteous outrage.

97.5% of all abortions consist of a pea-sized or smaller unborn being flushed painlessly and unaware from the womb...and the rest are all medically necessary and require...by law...anesthetic/lethal injection...so again, no pain or awareness.

Yet nearly all pro-lifers choose the emotionally manipulative tactic of screaming about the horrors the unborn suffers. And it's a complete lie.

But the descriptions of the early miscarriages in described in the OP are even more proof that these are no different than the early term abortions I mentioned above. Sad for the women/parents that wanted a baby, a relief for those that didnt.

The brainwashing of willful ignorance, and esp. religion, poison people into believing they can demand how others take responsibility for their futures. And yet, so many of the conservatives complain that people are not responsible enough....?
 
Lursa said:
Many like the OP choose to remain willfully ignorant about the reality of the vast majority of abortions...otherwise they couldnt continue to stoke their self-righteous outrage.

97.5% of all abortions consist of a pea-sized or smaller unborn being flushed painlessly and unaware from the womb...and the rest are all medically necessary and require...by law...anesthetic/lethal injection...so again, no pain or awareness.

Yet nearly all pro-lifers choose the emotionally manipulative tactic of screaming about the horrors the unborn suffers. And it's a complete lie.

But the descriptions of the early miscarriages in described in the OP are even more proof that these are no different than the early term abortions I mentioned above. Sad for the women/parents that wanted a baby, a relief for those that didnt.

The brainwashing of willful ignorance, and esp. religion, poison people into believing they can demand how others take responsibility for their futures. And yet, so many of the conservatives complain that people are not responsible enough....?
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Its cute that you want to pretend that your devaluing of life stops when it is more than a few worthless cells. It doesnt. You and others devalue life as long as need be to make you inhuman acts feel less inhuman.
The reality is that at 9 days or 9 months, it is till a developing unborn child...one you have no problem butchering in the name of choice.

I at least respect the woman in the video. She is at least honest about not giving a **** about unborn children.
 
VanceMack said:
Its cute that you want to pretend that your devaluing of life stops when it is more than a few worthless cells. It doesnt. You and others devalue life as long as need be to make you inhuman acts feel less inhuman.
The reality is that at 9 days or 9 months, it is till a developing unborn child...one you have no problem butchering in the name of choice.

I at least respect the woman in the video. She is at least honest about not giving a **** about unborn children.
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I dont worry about it at all...just like I dont worry about the cruelty of people riding unicorns...there are no unicorns to ride so it's a complete waste of time.

And no elective abortions take place that late (late term)...and no one here has provided stats on #s of any that do take place...so why on earth would I waste time worrying about it?

Please answer...why worry about something that doesnt occur?
 
Lursa said:
I dont worry about it at all...just like I dont worry about the cruelty of people riding unicorns...there are no unicorns to ride so it's a complete waste of time.

And no elective abortions take place that late (late term)...and no one here has provided stats on #s of any that do take place...so why on earth would I waste time worrying about it?

Please answer...why worry about something that doesnt occur?
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You are making my point. As long as the slaughter occurs before some magic timeline, you can convince yourself that the butchering of unborn children is somehow less inhuman.
 
VanceMack said:
You are making my point. As long as the slaughter occurs before some magic timeline, you can convince yourself that the butchering of unborn children is somehow less inhuman.
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There is no magic timeline...there is no slaughter...your drama queen persona is rearing its paste diamond-crowned head again.

The value of the unborn never outweighs the value of the woman...this is *my opinion* and her decisions on her future and upholding all her responsibilities to her family and her commitments and obligations to community, society, etc. I hold no more respect for *your personal opinion valuing the unborn more* than women than you do of mine. Fortunately, almost all the educated western world agrees with me.

The opposite...if enforced by laws...would do the exact same to women as you object to for the unborn: loss of self-determination and a future. Why is it ok to do that to women?
 
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VanceMack said:
Its cute that you want to pretend that your devaluing of life stops when it is more than a few worthless cells. It doesnt. You and others devalue life as long as need be to make you inhuman acts feel less inhuman. The reality is that at 9 days or 9 months, it is till a developing unborn child...one you have no problem butchering in the name of choice. I at least respect the woman in the video. She is at least honest about not giving a **** about unborn children.
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A tiny bundle of cells is not an unborn child. Stop lying.



I understand you may feel the desperate urge to pose as morally superior, but that has got to be one of the dumbest ways of going about it.
 
VanceMack said:
You are making my point. As long as the slaughter occurs before some magic timeline, you can convince yourself that the butchering of unborn children is somehow less inhuman.
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Shows of (faux) moral superiority do not arguments make. Your hamfisted word games do not change the simple fact that there is no rational, aka evidence-based, argument for prohibiting abortion before the point of viability (the point at which a fetus can survive outside the womb).

All you have is the irrational: a religiously-derived - and not even all religions at that - that you then butcher and re-arrange until you arrive at the ridiculous position that even a single fertilized egg is equivalent to a breathing baby.





PS: Viability isn't "magic". It's based on the available science. So relax and don't asterix up the thread too much. The more time goes on, the better the equipment, the better the care, the earlier viability becomes. Perhaps you should be praying for artificial wombs. That'd certainly throw a wrench in the works in the way you'd like.

But until then? Keep the faux-righteous religious moralization away from it. You do you, but you let others live their way. You are no one to dictate.
 
Lursa said:
There is no magic timeline...there is no slaughter...your drama queen persona is rearing its paste diamond-crowned head again.

The value of the unborn never outweighs the value of the woman...this is *my opinion* and her decisions on her future and upholding all her responsibilities to her family and her commitments and obligations to community, society, etc. I hold no more respect for *your personal opinion valuing the unborn more* than women than you do of mine. Fortunately, almost all the educated western world agrees with me.

The opposite...if enforced by laws...would do the exact same to women as you object to for the unborn: loss of self-determination and a future. Why is it ok to do that to women?
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I dont suggest women should have less value than unborn children. I suggest unborn children should be recognized as unborn children and that the practice of slaughtering the unborn and the inhuman view of 'life' should be more in line with goals expressed by others...safe...legal...and rare. Not 800,000 unborn children butchered because they are inconvenient.
 
VanceMack said:
Its cute that you want to pretend that your devaluing of life stops when it is more than a few worthless cells. It doesnt. You and others devalue life as long as need be to make you inhuman acts feel less inhuman.
The reality is that at 9 days or 9 months, it is till a developing unborn child...one you have no problem butchering in the name of choice.

I at least respect the woman in the video. She is at least honest about not giving a **** about unborn children.
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And you are not. You are being deliberately and intentionally dishonest, Vance, which is all that anti-choicers can do. Your OP was a bloody mess on a napkin. :)
 
Mr Person said:
Shows of (faux) moral superiority do not arguments make. Your hamfisted word games do not change the simple fact that there is no rational, aka evidence-based, argument for prohibiting abortion before the point of viability (the point at which a fetus can survive outside the womb).

All you have is the irrational: a religiously-derived - and not even all religions at that - that you then butcher and re-arrange until you arrive at the ridiculous position that even a single fertilized egg is equivalent to a breathing baby.





PS: Viability isn't "magic". It's based on the available science. So relax and don't asterix up the thread too much. The more time goes on, the better the equipment, the better the care, the earlier viability becomes. Perhaps you should be praying for artificial wombs. That'd certainly throw a wrench in the works in the way you'd like.

But until then? Keep the faux-righteous religious moralization away from it. You do you, but you let others live their way. You are no one to dictate.
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He has been unable to form any argument at all beyond a bumper sticker chant of *800,000 innocents slaughtered!* None what so ever...just emotional vomit without any rational justification at all.
 
VanceMack said:
I dont suggest women should have less value than unborn children. I suggest unborn children should be recognized as unborn children and that the practice of slaughtering the unborn and the inhuman view of 'life' should be more in line with goals expressed by others...safe...legal...and rare. Not 800,000 unborn children butchered because they are inconvenient.
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And you are so limited that you cant see that what you desire, if enforced, would mean that women would have less value in our society...any obligation of the state to protect the life of the child against the woman's will would violate many of our Constitutional rights. Women's right would be less than men's, we would no longer be equal. And we would lose due process and bodily sovereignty and self-determination...just so that emotionally-driven people like you could offer those same exact things to the unborn. Why is the unborn more deserving of those exact same things?

You have nothing more than a blind, hysterical, empty bumper sticker for an "argument" and it's obvious you arent even capable of following the result of that to its conclusion. :doh
 
VanceMack said:
You are making my point. As long as the slaughter occurs before some magic timeline, you can convince yourself that the butchering of unborn children is somehow less inhuman.
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Mr Person said:
Shows of (faux) moral superiority do not arguments make. Your hamfisted word games do not change the simple fact that there is no rational, aka evidence-based, argument for prohibiting abortion before the point of viability (the point at which a fetus can survive outside the womb).

All you have is the irrational: a religiously-derived - and not even all religions at that - that you then butcher and re-arrange until you arrive at the ridiculous position that even a single fertilized egg is equivalent to a breathing baby.



PS: Viability isn't "magic". It's based on the available science. So relax and don't asterix up the thread too much. The more time goes on, the better the equipment, the better the care, the earlier viability becomes. Perhaps you should be praying for artificial wombs. That'd certainly throw a wrench in the works in the way you'd like.

But until then? Keep the faux-righteous religious moralization away from it. You do you, but you let others live their way. You are no one to dictate.
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Lursa said:
He has been unable to form any argument at all beyond a bumper sticker chant of *800,000 innocents slaughtered!* None what so ever...just emotional vomit without any rational justification at all.
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All he's got is fake moralization. I wonder what gems he may have uttered RE: things like 'political correctness"...
 
VanceMack said:
You are making my point. As long as the slaughter occurs before some magic timeline, you can convince yourself that the butchering of unborn children is somehow less inhuman.
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I do not "like" this post. This "like" was misplaced.
 
VanceMack said:
I dont suggest women should have less value than unborn children. I suggest unborn children should be recognized as unborn children and that the practice of slaughtering the unborn and the inhuman view of 'life' should be more in line with goals expressed by others...safe...legal...and rare. Not 800,000 unborn children butchered because they are inconvenient.
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When you insist that all women should carry all pregnancies to term you most certainly are saying that women have less value than the (depending on the time of abortion) zygote, embryo or fetus they are carrying.

When you term all abortions as simply a convenience for women you are telling women they have less value than the zygote, embryo, fetus they are carrying.

When you use the term slaughter to describe what women have done in order to be responsible and stay out of poverty, protect the rest of her family, finish school and get a job, not bring a child into a situation where it may be abused, or harmed then you are telling women they have less value.
 
weaver2 said:
When you insist that all women should carry all pregnancies to term you most certainly are saying that women have less value than the (depending on the time of abortion) zygote, embryo or fetus they are carrying.

When you term all abortions as simply a convenience for women you are telling women they have less value than the zygote, embryo, fetus they are carrying.

When you use the term slaughter to describe what women have done in order to be responsible and stay out of poverty, protect the rest of her family, finish school and get a job, not bring a child into a situation where it may be abused, or harmed then you are telling women they have less value.
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Literally none of the **** you just spewed has anything to do with the dehumanization of unborn babies to the point that we justify the slaughter of 800,000 unborn children a year in the US and 42 million in the world in 2018 alone.

You can dehumanize the unborn babies to justify the slaughter all you like but it wont change the facts.
 
VanceMack said:
Literally none of the **** you just spewed has anything to do with the dehumanization of unborn babies to the point that we justify the slaughter of 800,000 unborn children a year in the US and 42 million in the world in 2018 alone.

You can dehumanize the unborn babies to justify the slaughter all you like but it wont change the facts.
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And the bumper sticker re-emerges...emotionally-wrought....a argument not supported by articulate thought.
 
Lursa said:
And you are so limited that you cant see that what you desire, if enforced, would mean that women would have less value in our society...any obligation of the state to protect the life of the child against the woman's will would violate many of our Constitutional rights. Women's right would be less than men's, we would no longer be equal. And we would lose due process and bodily sovereignty and self-determination...just so that emotionally-driven people like you could offer those same exact things to the unborn. Why is the unborn more deserving of those exact same things?

You have nothing more than a blind, hysterical, empty bumper sticker for an "argument" and it's obvious you arent even capable of following the result of that to its conclusion. :doh
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It isnt 'emotion driven', it is fact driven. You and people like you have dehumanized unborn children to justify their slaughter in the name of convenience. I understand...your position is pretty sick...which is why you feel compelled to continue to try to argue the point. Flail about all you like. You are killing unborn children. Change their names...call them whatever you like. You are butchering unborn children. 9 days, 9 weeks, 9 months, all they are and all they ever will be are human children...human children that you dehumanize so that you can justify slaughtering them because they are inconvenient.
 
Lursa said:
And the bumper sticker re-emerges...emotionally-wrought....a argument not supported by articulate thought.
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I'm sure you think that will help you sleep better.

It doesnt matter when you slaughter the unborn child. 9 days...9 weeks, or 9 months. You are still advocating for the butchering of 800,000 unborn children a year. And I suspect you know that.
 
VanceMack said:
It isnt 'emotion driven', it is fact driven. You and people like you have dehumanized unborn children to justify their slaughter in the name of convenience. I understand...your position is pretty sick...which is why you feel compelled to continue to try to argue the point. Flail about all you like. You are killing unborn children. Change their names...call them whatever you like. You are butchering unborn children. 9 days, 9 weeks, 9 months, all they are and all they ever will be are human children...human children that you dehumanize so that you can justify slaughtering them because they are inconvenient.
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You reduce the unborn solely to numbers yet you say I'm dehumanizing them? You are literally lumping them into a great pile of numbered corpses in order to express your feelings of outrage and disapproval.

That's not an argument. If abortion was wrong, it would be wrong if 1 unborn was killed. But it's not wrong...and so the numbers are meaningless...If it were wrong, you could articulate why...and since in all the lists posted of reasons why women abort...convenience isnt on any of them...so that's a fail too.

So you need another bumper sticker to start harping on...one that is less dehumanizing maybe?
 
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