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    Re: Miscarriage just some mess on a napkin...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its cute that you want to pretend that your devaluing of life stops when it is more than a few worthless cells. It doesnt. You and others devalue life as long as need be to make you inhuman acts feel less inhuman. The reality is that at 9 days or 9 months, it is till a developing unborn child...one you have no problem butchering in the name of choice. I at least respect the woman in the video. She is at least honest about not giving a **** about unborn children.
    A tiny bundle of cells is not an unborn child. Stop lying.



    I understand you may feel the desperate urge to pose as morally superior, but that has got to be one of the dumbest ways of going about it.
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    Re: Miscarriage just some mess on a napkin...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are making my point. As long as the slaughter occurs before some magic timeline, you can convince yourself that the butchering of unborn children is somehow less inhuman.
    Shows of (faux) moral superiority do not arguments make. Your hamfisted word games do not change the simple fact that there is no rational, aka evidence-based, argument for prohibiting abortion before the point of viability (the point at which a fetus can survive outside the womb).

    All you have is the irrational: a religiously-derived - and not even all religions at that - that you then butcher and re-arrange until you arrive at the ridiculous position that even a single fertilized egg is equivalent to a breathing baby.





    PS: Viability isn't "magic". It's based on the available science. So relax and don't asterix up the thread too much. The more time goes on, the better the equipment, the better the care, the earlier viability becomes. Perhaps you should be praying for artificial wombs. That'd certainly throw a wrench in the works in the way you'd like.

    But until then? Keep the faux-righteous religious moralization away from it. You do you, but you let others live their way. You are no one to dictate.
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    Re: Miscarriage just some mess on a napkin...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    There is no magic timeline...there is no slaughter...your drama queen persona is rearing its paste diamond-crowned head again.

    The value of the unborn never outweighs the value of the woman...this is *my opinion* and her decisions on her future and upholding all her responsibilities to her family and her commitments and obligations to community, society, etc. I hold no more respect for *your personal opinion valuing the unborn more* than women than you do of mine. Fortunately, almost all the educated western world agrees with me.

    The opposite...if enforced by laws...would do the exact same to women as you object to for the unborn: loss of self-determination and a future. Why is it ok to do that to women?
    I dont suggest women should have less value than unborn children. I suggest unborn children should be recognized as unborn children and that the practice of slaughtering the unborn and the inhuman view of 'life' should be more in line with goals expressed by others...safe...legal...and rare. Not 800,000 unborn children butchered because they are inconvenient.

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    Re: Miscarriage just some mess on a napkin...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its cute that you want to pretend that your devaluing of life stops when it is more than a few worthless cells. It doesnt. You and others devalue life as long as need be to make you inhuman acts feel less inhuman.
    The reality is that at 9 days or 9 months, it is till a developing unborn child...one you have no problem butchering in the name of choice.

    I at least respect the woman in the video. She is at least honest about not giving a **** about unborn children.
    And you are not. You are being deliberately and intentionally dishonest, Vance, which is all that anti-choicers can do. Your OP was a bloody mess on a napkin.
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    Re: Miscarriage just some mess on a napkin...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    Shows of (faux) moral superiority do not arguments make. Your hamfisted word games do not change the simple fact that there is no rational, aka evidence-based, argument for prohibiting abortion before the point of viability (the point at which a fetus can survive outside the womb).

    All you have is the irrational: a religiously-derived - and not even all religions at that - that you then butcher and re-arrange until you arrive at the ridiculous position that even a single fertilized egg is equivalent to a breathing baby.





    PS: Viability isn't "magic". It's based on the available science. So relax and don't asterix up the thread too much. The more time goes on, the better the equipment, the better the care, the earlier viability becomes. Perhaps you should be praying for artificial wombs. That'd certainly throw a wrench in the works in the way you'd like.

    But until then? Keep the faux-righteous religious moralization away from it. You do you, but you let others live their way. You are no one to dictate.
    He has been unable to form any argument at all beyond a bumper sticker chant of *800,000 innocents slaughtered!* None what so ever...just emotional vomit without any rational justification at all.
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    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    Re: Miscarriage just some mess on a napkin...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont suggest women should have less value than unborn children. I suggest unborn children should be recognized as unborn children and that the practice of slaughtering the unborn and the inhuman view of 'life' should be more in line with goals expressed by others...safe...legal...and rare. Not 800,000 unborn children butchered because they are inconvenient.
    And you are so limited that you cant see that what you desire, if enforced, would mean that women would have less value in our society...any obligation of the state to protect the life of the child against the woman's will would violate many of our Constitutional rights. Women's right would be less than men's, we would no longer be equal. And we would lose due process and bodily sovereignty and self-determination...just so that emotionally-driven people like you could offer those same exact things to the unborn. Why is the unborn more deserving of those exact same things?

    You have nothing more than a blind, hysterical, empty bumper sticker for an "argument" and it's obvious you arent even capable of following the result of that to its conclusion.
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    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    Re: Miscarriage just some mess on a napkin...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are making my point. As long as the slaughter occurs before some magic timeline, you can convince yourself that the butchering of unborn children is somehow less inhuman.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Person View Post
    Shows of (faux) moral superiority do not arguments make. Your hamfisted word games do not change the simple fact that there is no rational, aka evidence-based, argument for prohibiting abortion before the point of viability (the point at which a fetus can survive outside the womb).

    All you have is the irrational: a religiously-derived - and not even all religions at that - that you then butcher and re-arrange until you arrive at the ridiculous position that even a single fertilized egg is equivalent to a breathing baby.



    PS: Viability isn't "magic". It's based on the available science. So relax and don't asterix up the thread too much. The more time goes on, the better the equipment, the better the care, the earlier viability becomes. Perhaps you should be praying for artificial wombs. That'd certainly throw a wrench in the works in the way you'd like.

    But until then? Keep the faux-righteous religious moralization away from it. You do you, but you let others live their way. You are no one to dictate.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    He has been unable to form any argument at all beyond a bumper sticker chant of *800,000 innocents slaughtered!* None what so ever...just emotional vomit without any rational justification at all.

    All he's got is fake moralization. I wonder what gems he may have uttered RE: things like 'political correctness"...
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    Re: Miscarriage just some mess on a napkin...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are making my point. As long as the slaughter occurs before some magic timeline, you can convince yourself that the butchering of unborn children is somehow less inhuman.
    I do not "like" this post. This "like" was misplaced.

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    Re: Miscarriage just some mess on a napkin...

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    I do not "like" this post. This "like" was misplaced.
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    Re: Miscarriage just some mess on a napkin...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont suggest women should have less value than unborn children. I suggest unborn children should be recognized as unborn children and that the practice of slaughtering the unborn and the inhuman view of 'life' should be more in line with goals expressed by others...safe...legal...and rare. Not 800,000 unborn children butchered because they are inconvenient.
    When you insist that all women should carry all pregnancies to term you most certainly are saying that women have less value than the (depending on the time of abortion) zygote, embryo or fetus they are carrying.

    When you term all abortions as simply a convenience for women you are telling women they have less value than the zygote, embryo, fetus they are carrying.

    When you use the term slaughter to describe what women have done in order to be responsible and stay out of poverty, protect the rest of her family, finish school and get a job, not bring a child into a situation where it may be abused, or harmed then you are telling women they have less value.

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