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Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true about abortion.

ChezC3 said:
Not a fan of those either.
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Nobody's a fan of abortion either.

Society has decided that killing in all those scenarios is justified....war, death penalty, abortion, pulling the plug, even assisted suicide. Some may object but that doesnt make killing in those cases morally wrong. Some may believe that...but elective abortion is accepted by the majority of Americans.

If you object...it doesnt mean you hold the moral High Ground. The effects on women, individually and societally, all have severe moral implications as well. If you value the unborn more than women in society, no one is stopping you.
 
Lursa said:
So women shouldnt be allowed this choice either? Our choices for our lives are just to be dismissed at your whim? You seem to have no respect for women at all.

For someone that continually complains about 'innocent lives lost' you certainly dont seem willing to let women to decide to trade their own lives in order to save those lives.
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Of course not. Women shouldn't die. Call me controversial, but no, I don't believe women should die, even if they "choose" to. I had a friend, a white male, who wanted to die, and the cops and paramedics came and forced him into a hospital and take therapy. Why should women get a choice, and men not?
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Of course not. Women shouldn't die. Call me controversial, but no, I don't believe women should die, even if they "choose" to. I had a friend, a white male, who wanted to die, and the cops and paramedics came and forced him into a hospital and take therapy. Why should women get a choice, and men not?
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Name a single woman that goes into pregnancy saying I want to die
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Of course not. Women shouldn't die. Call me controversial, but no, I don't believe women should die, even if they "choose" to. I had a friend, a white male, who wanted to die, and the cops and paramedics came and forced him into a hospital and take therapy. Why should women get a choice, and men not?
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You can't force someone to live. If they truly want to die, they will find a way. I have enough experience with loved ones committing suicide to know.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Of course not. Women shouldn't die. Call me controversial, but no, I don't believe women should die, even if they "choose" to. I had a friend, a white male, who wanted to die, and the cops and paramedics came and forced him into a hospital and take therapy. Why should women get a choice, and men not?
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Men can refuse medical treatment legally as well. Apparently your friend was mentally ill. But women and men who refuse medical treatment are not...they are given psych counseling and consults and can still choose to refuse.

So you are still wrong.
 
Lursa said:
Men can refuse medical treatment legally as well. Apparently your friend was mentally ill. But women and men who refuse medical treatment are not...they are given psych counseling and consults and can still choose to refuse.

So you are still wrong.
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We're not talking about a woman who refuses medical treatment. We're talking about a woman who chooses to take her own life to give birth to a baby who may or may not survive. Such a woman is obviously mentally ill.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
We're not talking about a woman who refuses medical treatment. We're talking about a woman who chooses to take her own life to give birth to a baby who may or may not survive. Such a woman is obviously mentally ill.
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She never chooses to die. You are just wrong. She hopes to live not die
 
vegas giants said:
She never chooses to die. You are just wrong. She hopes to live not die
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Exactly.

Women do not choose pregnancy , hoping to die as a result of the pregnancy.
 
vegas giants said:
She never chooses to die. You are just wrong. She hopes to live not die
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So if a woman jumps off the golden gate bridge, you wouldn't rescue her to and send her to therapy because she "hopes to live". lol That's so stupid. Mentally ill people need to be helped OUT of their horrible decisions, not encouraged.
 
minnie616 said:
Exactly.

Women do not choose pregnancy , hoping to die as a result of the pregnancy.
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She doesn't have to HOPE to die. That's a different thing. Hope is rarely reality. The REALITY is, and she knows this, she WILL DIE if she goes through childbirth, and chooses to do so anyway. This isn't actually that uncommon in places like africa, where there is rarely any safe sex options and the rigidity of religion there forces them to put the life of the unborn baby above their own.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
She doesn't have to HOPE to die. That's a different thing. Hope is rarely reality. The REALITY is, and she knows this, she WILL DIE if she goes through childbirth, and chooses to do so anyway. This isn't actually that uncommon in places like africa, where there is rarely any safe sex options and the rigidity of religion there forces them to put the life of the unborn baby above their own.
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You are just wrong.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
So if a woman jumps off the golden gate bridge, you wouldn't rescue her to and send her to therapy because she "hopes to live". lol That's so stupid. Mentally ill people need to be helped OUT of their horrible decisions, not encouraged.
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Did anyone ever jump off a bridge and hope to live?
 
vegas giants said:
You are just wrong.
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Guy, this was MY example. in MY example, the woman knows 100% that she will die. There is no room for error, no room for "hope". just "I know i'm going to die, and choose to go through with childbirth because I want the child to live, damn whatever happens to my own life!". That's MY abstract example, and you're trying to add your own excuses that were never part of the equation to permit yourself to endorse this radical idea of choice, that suicide is a completely rational idea for ANYONE to pursue. Sorry, but that's ridiculous, and why I see no value in the pro-choice side. Sometimes, people have to be protected from themselves, and this is one of those situations.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Guy, this was MY example. in MY example, the woman knows 100% that she will die. There is no room for error, no room for "hope". just "I know i'm going to die, and choose to go through with childbirth because I want the child to live, damn whatever happens to my own life!". That's MY abstract example, and you're trying to add your own excuses that were never part of the equation to permit yourself to endorse this radical idea of choice, that suicide is a completely rational idea for ANYONE to pursue. Sorry, but that's ridiculous, and why I see no value in the pro-choice side. Sometimes, people have to be protected from themselves, and this is one of those situations.
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Name the case. Thete has never ever ever ever been a 100% chance a woman would die in childbirth
 
vegas giants said:
Name the case. Thete has never ever ever ever been a 100% chance a woman would die in childbirth
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My case here, then one I brought up for consideration.

A woman KNOWS, 100%, that she will die if she gives birth to a child, and chooses to do so anyway, even though there is no guarentee that the baby will survive childbirth itself. Do you support her decision to commit suicide on the off chance that she will have a child to survive her?
 
DarkWizard12 said:
My case here, then one I brought up for consideration.

A woman KNOWS, 100%, that she will die if she gives birth to a child, and chooses to do so anyway, even though there is no guarentee that the baby will survive childbirth itself. Do you support her decision to commit suicide on the off chance that she will have a child to survive her?
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What if she 100% knows she will give birth to a unicorn?

You are talking fantasy
 
minnie616 said:
Abortion is a medical procedure.
States have a right to protect its citizens and ban unsafe medical procedures and when states first started banning abortions they were unsafe.

By the early 1970s medical abortions were far safer for women than pregnancy or childbirth.

Therefore states can no longer ban abortions as an Unsafe medical procedure for its citizens.

BTW: keeping abortions legal , keeps them safe and regulated.
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DarkWizard12 said:
We're not talking about a woman who refuses medical treatment. We're talking about a woman who chooses to take her own life to give birth to a baby who may or may not survive. Such a woman is obviously mentally ill.
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You are still wrong. The woman is entitled, legally, to refuse the medical treatment that would save her life. And is also legally entitled to decide NOT to abort her unborn in order to try and save it.

And let's see some analyses that show parents that choose to give up their own lives to save their offspring are mentally ill? It's well known that mothers esp. are often willing to do exactly that.

So unless you prove otherwise, there is zero reason to believe a woman making that decision is mentally ill in anyway.
 
vegas giants said:
What if she 100% knows she will give birth to a unicorn?

You are talking fantasy
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Fantasy or no, it's the logical conclusion of such a pro-choice mindset. Such a woman would absolutely have the right to make such a decision, and no one could stop her from taking such a destructive and suicidal route. No one should place their own lives below an unborn one.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
Fantasy or no, it's the logical conclusion of such a pro-choice mindset. Such a woman would absolutely have the right to make such a decision, and no one could stop her from taking such a destructive and suicidal route. No one should place their own lives below an unborn one.
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Opinion noted
 
DarkWizard12 said:
We're not talking about a woman who refuses medical treatment. We're talking about a woman who chooses to take her own life to give birth to a baby who may or may not survive. Such a woman is obviously mentally ill.
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If she takes her own life, she's not going to be giving birth. There's no way that suicide would save the fetus.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
My case here, then one I brought up for consideration.

A woman KNOWS, 100%, that she will die if she gives birth to a child, and chooses to do so anyway, even though there is no guarentee that the baby will survive childbirth itself. Do you support her decision to commit suicide on the off chance that she will have a child to survive her?
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There is always a silver of hope both can be saved. That the woman will risk her life to save an unborn is not compatible to being suicidal anymore than an adult running in front of a moving car to push a child out of the way of moving a car is trying to be suicidal.

There is no guarantee the child will not be hit and die but the adult might risk her or his life hoping to save the child.
 
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minnie616 said:
There is always a silver of hope both can be saved. That the woman will risk her life to save an unborn is not compatible to being suicidal anymore than an adult running in front of a moving car to push a child out of the way of moving a car is trying to be suicidal.

There is no guarantee the child will not be hit and die but the adult might risk her or his life hoping to save the child.
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Some people dont respect other's decisions on how they exercise their rights, including their right to life. If some stranger can just decide how you exercise your right to life, it's not much of a right.
 
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