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Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true about abortion.

joko104 said:
Once again, I agree with you and most other Democrats on this forum that no religious person, particularly Christians, have any place in the Democratic Party and should vote straight Republican in every election for every office. We agree that all religious people should be completely purged from the new corporate-fascist atheist Democratic Party.
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That dont fly in the bible belt
 
it's just me said:
That's an idiotic thing to say. Women have been giving birth since the beginning and today we have the best medicine in the world.
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Most women who choose abortion are poor and have crappy access to decent health care. I am alive and with relatively intact kidneys because I had an experienced OBGYN that had the anility to take the time with me. He saw a very subtle sign. I FELT FINE! He sent me for more screening to find out my kidneys were under attack. Now, if I were a poor pregnant woman, I could get emergency Medicaid and take a few buses to got to my scheduled appointment at the County Clinic (that accepts Medicaid patients). Even though I had an appointment, I still wait for the flyby appointment that this under resourced clinic gives. What are the chances they would have seen this subtle sign?

Yes I had access to top of the line health care. Most women who choose abortion have no such top of the line health care.
 
What you are going to lose is the Protestant work ethic. Good luck extracting resources from men that take on a "Jimmy Buffett" mindset. You are correct in your assertions. In my own life I have converted from a dedicated church man to an indifferent sex tourist. Keep up that fight to make a better progressive society free of church men. You can count me as a convert! Good work!

I'm still against abortion and still have a few vestiges of concern about right and wrong, but not many.

Northern Light said:
Look in the mirror... fundamentalist social conservativism of the evangelical variety is a dying breed in America. They're old, they're ignorant, they're increasingly irrelevant. Their congregations are thinning in number, unless you count the corporate mega churches, who, let's face it, are not run by real Christians. There will be half the Christians there are today in 20 years.

When a culture is dying, it grasps hard, it shouts loud, it repeats itself and tries to drown out opposition because it knows that it will be forced into silence soon. That it will go quietly into the night.

The only thing fundamentalist social conservativism in the U.S. has as a legit strategy for survival is populism. They work tirelessly to get their believers into key positions in office, and through voter disenfranchisement. But even these strategies will eventually not pay off.

The majority of the United States is in favor of pro-choice policy. The majority of the U.S. believe that it's a matter between a woman and her doctor. This majority is not a bunch of "pro-abortion' activists. It's just regular people who don't think the topic of abortion is that important. Most are fairly neutral on it.

So, the mouth foamers... give it time, about 10-20 years. There will be less of them and we will be the more peaceful for it.
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VanceMack said:
You provide the typical pro slaughter rhetoric that does its level best to dehumanize the unborn children that you slaughter. I dont blame you. If I stood for the butchering of 800,000 unborn children a year in this country alone I would do my level best to try to avoid the fact that the unborn child I was killing was an unborn child. Id try to avoid the fact that there is nothing BUT a fully grown, fully developed baby that it would ever grow to become by trying to dehumanize it to nothing but a clump of cells. It would make monstrous actions less monstrous....hideous acts, less hideous.

Im sure to you, when a woman miscarries, its no big deal....after all...its just a clump of cells. If someone else causes the death of the unborn child, its no big deal...its just an unborn child. Heck...you probably have yourself convinced there is some magic moment where it goes from inhuman 'thing' to life. But its all just a means to mask a very horrible end. I understand.
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More self-righteous emotional judgement and zero argument from you. Zero addressing of my arguments.

Because all you have is hysteria and sickening, self-indulgent imagination to 'throw' at people because you cannot articulate an actual argument not founded on your feelings.

Keep stoking your self-righteousness...reality for the rest of us sheds it right off our backs.

It's ludicrous to imagine that you hold any moral High Ground here, when what you desire would mean that the govt would be obligated by law to force women to remain pregnant against our will :doh

Maybe you should investigate living in Saudi Arabia?
 
it's just me said:
That's an idiotic thing to say. Women have been giving birth since the beginning and today we have the best medicine in the world.
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And dying since the beginning. 86,700 women in the US die or nearly die every year.

Every single pregnancy is a risk to a woman's life and it cannot be predicted.

My friend's wife, her 2nd kid, died in childbirth, completely unexpected. I know of 2 other women since I've been an adult that have died in childbirth as well, and another who had a stroke and is completely disabled.

Strangers dont get to make the decision to take that significant risk for women. Neither does the govt but at least it recognizes that....we have a Constitution that protects our rights to things like bodily sovereignty and self-determination.
 
it's just me said:
Still an idiotic thing to say. People get killed crossing the street, driving cars, flying in planes, but for some reason we still cross the street, drive cars, and fly in planes. The one thing that's certain is that if you live long enough you'll die. Living is risky. Deal with it.
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Except that you seem to believe you have the right to tell women to take that significant risk? No one is forcing women to drive or cross streets or fly...adults make their own choices, including which risks to take.
 
Lursa said:
More self-righteous emotional judgement and zero argument from you. Zero addressing of my arguments.

Because all you have is hysteria and sickening, self-indulgent imagination to 'throw' at people because you cannot articulate an actual argument not founded on your feelings.

Keep stoking your self-righteousness...reality for the rest of us sheds it right off our backs.

It's ludicrous to imagine that you hold any moral High Ground here, when what you desire would mean that the govt would be obligated by law to force women to remain pregnant against our will :doh

Maybe you should investigate living in Saudi Arabia?
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Its not self righteous nor emotional...it is a statement of fact. You advocate the butchering of 800,000 unborn children a year and to make yourself feel better about the facts you dehumanize them and attempt to convince yourself they arent what they most definitely are. There is a reason why people feel a true sense of loss when they miscarry a baby. There is a reason why we have passed laws to protect the u born. But we have devolved as a society to the point where we are more invested in protecting the lives of unborn animals than unborn babies. Because...'rights'.

Ive lived in Saudi...twice. Lived 7 years in the ME. 3 in the UK. A couple of years cumulatively in Spain and Germany. None of which is relevant to the fact that you advocate for the slaughter of the unborn i the name of convenience. What is very telling is that in response you dont simply own it, instead feeling the need to try to somehow argue or refute the irrefutable. You cant...you know you cant...so why bother? It is what it is...you do what you do....so...own it.
 
VanceMack said:
Its not self righteous nor emotional...it is a statement of fact. You advocate the butchering of 800,000 unborn children a year and to make yourself feel better about the facts you dehumanize them and attempt to convince yourself they arent what they most definitely are. There is a reason why people feel a true sense of loss when they miscarry a baby. There is a reason why we have passed laws to protect the u born. But we have devolved as a society to the point where we are more invested in protecting the lives of unborn animals than unborn babies. Because...'rights'.

Ive lived in Saudi...twice. Lived 7 years in the ME. 3 in the UK. A couple of years cumulatively in Spain and Germany. None of which is relevant to the fact that you advocate for the slaughter of the unborn i the name of convenience. What is very telling is that in response you dont simply own it, instead feeling the need to try to somehow argue or refute the irrefutable. You cant...you know you cant...so why bother? It is what it is...you do what you do....so...own it.
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Convenience is a perfect reason for an abortion
 
year2late said:
Most women who choose abortion are poor and have crappy access to decent health care. I am alive and with relatively intact kidneys because I had an experienced OBGYN that had the anility to take the time with me. He saw a very subtle sign. I FELT FINE! He sent me for more screening to find out my kidneys were under attack. Now, if I were a poor pregnant woman, I could get emergency Medicaid and take a few buses to got to my scheduled appointment at the County Clinic (that accepts Medicaid patients). Even though I had an appointment, I still wait for the flyby appointment that this under resourced clinic gives. What are the chances they would have seen this subtle sign?

Yes I had access to top of the line health care. Most women who choose abortion have no such top of the line health care.
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I thought PP offered reproductive health care.
 
VanceMack said:
Its not self righteous nor emotional...it is a statement of fact. You advocate the butchering of 800,000 unborn children a year and to make yourself feel better about the facts you dehumanize them and attempt to convince yourself they arent what they most definitely are. There is a reason why people feel a true sense of loss when they miscarry a baby. There is a reason why we have passed laws to protect the u born. But we have devolved as a society to the point where we are more invested in protecting the lives of unborn animals than unborn babies. Because...'rights'.

Ive lived in Saudi...twice. Lived 7 years in the ME. 3 in the UK. A couple of years cumulatively in Spain and Germany. None of which is relevant to the fact that you advocate for the slaughter of the unborn i the name of convenience. What is very telling is that in response you dont simply own it, instead feeling the need to try to somehow argue or refute the irrefutable. You cant...you know you cant...so why bother? It is what it is...you do what you do....so...own it.
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You still have articulated no argument beyond your feelings. You demonstrate nowhere why I'm even morally wrong. No one ever said that people that want a baby dont value their unborn. Or grieve for it when it's lost. You obviously dont even grasp the issue :roll:. So let's just stick with this:

Lursa said:
More self-righteous emotional judgement and zero argument from you. Zero addressing of my arguments.

Because all you have is hysteria and sickening, self-indulgent imagination to 'throw' at people because you cannot articulate an actual argument not founded on your feelings.

Keep stoking your self-righteousness...reality for the rest of us sheds it right off our backs.

It's ludicrous to imagine that you hold any moral High Ground here, when what you desire would mean that the govt would be obligated by law to force women to remain pregnant against our will :doh
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SDET said:
What you are going to lose is the Protestant work ethic. Good luck extracting resources from men that take on a "Jimmy Buffett" mindset. You are correct in your assertions. In my own life I have converted from a dedicated church man to an indifferent sex tourist. Keep up that fight to make a better progressive society free of church men. You can count me as a convert! Good work!

I'm still against abortion and still have a few vestiges of concern about right and wrong, but not many.
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Yeah because the choices are being a church goer vs. being a sex tourist. Nice fake immoral contrast you've painted there.
 
vegas giants said:
My mother had no choice. I'm glad women today have a choice. It's easy for you to be brave for a situation that only affects others
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Really, you make it sound like you think your mother may have opted for abortion, interesting. Don't know how old you are but, in my lifetime women have always gotten abortions if they really wanted one.
 
Sabre said:
Really, you make it sound like you think your mother may have opted for abortion, interesting. Don't know how old you are but, in my lifetime women have always gotten abortions if they really wanted one.
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Well not in my lifetime
 
Bullseye said:
You probably don't even realize how you just demonstrated everything you've accused conservative men of being. I guess that make you a proget.
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another post void of substance, direction or even understandable

God Bless!
 
VanceMack said:
True enough...but if I got someone pregnant I wouldn't advocate that the baby be butchered because it would be inconvenient. Id be responsible.

But thats just me.
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As others have said, you never see 'convenience' on any list of reasons women abort.
 
Sabre said:
Well a little devil's advocating here.

Why is it always what the woman wants to do with the unborn? She did not get into that position by herself, suppose the father of that child wanted his offspring to live, where is his right, after all it did not happen without him. So, what if the father agreed to pay for all expenses incurred and when the woman gives birth to the child she did not want, she hands the child to the father who assumes sole responsibility for the child and she waves all her claims to the child she did not want? How many would agree to that?
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Because it's the woman's body that suffers the ravages of pregnancy.


What if the man wants her to abort?
 
Scrabaholic said:
As others have said, you never see 'convenience' on any list of reasons women abort.
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And yet thats the primary reason...and you know it. You can couch it however you like. Not ready. Cant afford it. Whatever. Hell...try hard enough and you may even convince yourself...for a while.
 
Lursa said:
You still have articulated no argument beyond your feelings. You demonstrate nowhere why I'm even morally wrong. No one ever said that people that want a baby dont value their unborn. Or grieve for it when it's lost. You obviously dont even grasp the issue :roll:. So let's just stick with this:
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I have absolutely articulated scientific and biological reality...that when a woman becomes pregnant she has begun the process of carrying an unborn child. That is literally all that baby will ever grow up to be. And when you slaughter the unborn child you arent slaughtering a thing, or an it. You are slaughtering a developing unborn child.

That is fact. And you know it. Everything elses is just the bull**** dance you do to try to dehumanize the baby to make your act less horrific.
 
VanceMack said:
If thats what you call your desperate attempt at avoiding the fact that you support the butchering of unborn babies by attempting to dehumanize THEM...and not yourself and the people slaughtering them...OK then.
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Who's eating them?
 
VanceMack said:
I have absolutely articulated scientific and biological reality...that when a woman becomes pregnant she has begun the process of carrying an unborn child. That is literally all that baby will ever grow up to be. And when you slaughter the unborn child you arent slaughtering a thing, or an it. You are slaughtering a developing unborn child.

That is fact. And you know it. Everything elses is just the bull**** dance you do to try to dehumanize the baby to make your act less horrific.
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They better kill it......or get your money back
 
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