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Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true about abortion.

Sabre said:
Well a little devil's advocating here.

Why is it always what the woman wants to do with the unborn? She did not get into that position by herself, suppose the father of that child wanted his offspring to live, where is his right, after all it did not happen without him. So, what if the father agreed to pay for all expenses incurred and when the woman gives birth to the child she did not want, she hands the child to the father who assumes sole responsibility for the child and she waves all her claims to the child she did not want? How many would agree to that?
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Only she will risk her life in childbirth
 
VanceMack said:
True enough...but if I got someone pregnant I wouldn't advocate that the baby be butchered because it would be inconvenient. Id be responsible.

But thats just me.
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You will also be very safe and comfortable in the waiting room
 
Eriech said:
Pro life is the logical logical stand.

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How so?

Please explain, as there are no negative effects of abortion on society. If there are, please list some.
 
VanceMack said:
I made the point that we shouldnt be butchering babies because they are inconvenient. Anything else you added to it is just that bull**** you do to try to mask the uncomfortable reality of what you advocate. Thats a burden you have to bear...not me.
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OK cool. I posted that in all the lists I've seen, no woman ever lists 'convenience' as a reason for abortion.

So, 2 points:

1) No babies are aborted (or butchered as you emotionally clutch). Embryos and fetuses are aborted. (Yes, those are real terms for unborn humans, so there's nothing 'dehumanizing' about them. Nor are we attempting emotional manipulation like using terms like baby and butcher)
2) No abortions take place out of 'inconvenience...this we are now agreed on, correct?
 
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Sabre said:
Well a little devil's advocating here.

Why is it always what the woman wants to do with the unborn? She did not get into that position by herself, suppose the father of that child wanted his offspring to live, where is his right, after all it did not happen without him. So, what if the father agreed to pay for all expenses incurred and when the woman gives birth to the child she did not want, she hands the child to the father who assumes sole responsibility for the child and she waves all her claims to the child she did not want? How many would agree to that?
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Because it's in her body and she has Constitutional rights that protect her bodily sovereignty and her self-determination.

He can pay all the expenses in the world, it wont save her health or her life and every single pregnancy is a risk to a woman's life. It cannot be predicted and obviously, not always prevented. We're discussing a significant # of women in the US, 86,700/yr...dead or severely, often permanently, harmed.
 
Eriech said:
Pro life is the logical logical stand.

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Actually everybody is pro-life and pro-choice. Nobody is for death and the anti abortion advocates choose abortion at exactly the same rate as pro-choice women when they too are faced with an unwanted pregnancy. They just pretend they haven't taken "that " choice.
 
Lursa said:
OK cool. I posted that in all the lists I've seen, no woman ever lists 'convenience' as a reason for abortion.

So, 2 points:

1) No babies are aborted (or butchered as you emotionally clutch). Embryos and fetuses are aborted. (Yes, those are real terms for unborn humans, so there's nothing 'dehumanizing' about them. Nor are we attempting emotional manipulation like using terms like baby and butcher)
2) No abortions take place out of 'inconvenience...this we are now agreed on, correct?
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Whatever helps you sleep at night.
 
vegas giants said:
Only she will risk her life in childbirth
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About 4 million babies are born in the United States each year, approx. 18.5 mothers die for every 100,000 births. The really sad part is that's double rate in Saudi Arabia and Canada, triple the rate in the United Kingdom. Do you have any idea of the population of the world now? People willingly and eagerly try to have children, still way safer than driving to the mall.
 
Sabre said:
About 4 million babies are born in the United States each year, approx. 18.5 mothers die for every 100,000 births. The really sad part is that's double rate in Saudi Arabia and Canada, triple the rate in the United Kingdom. Do you have any idea of the population of the world now? People willingly and eagerly try to have children, still way safer than driving to the mall.
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That's nice. Its kind of convenient that you will never risk your life in pregnancy. Easy for you to tell others to risk theirs
 
jimbo said:
They probably are.

They probably are.

Probably not.

I doubt it.

This I don't want to believe, but certain Democrats have stated so. Gov Northram for one. There are others. I am absolutely against any abortion of a human having the ability to survive outside the womb. Including those not yet born.
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Probably
Probably
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Doubt

I think you are proving the OP.
 
Lursa said:
A few basic examples:

--PP is selling aborted fetal body parts
--Most abortions are for convenience
--abortion is irresponsible
--Innocent babies are torn apart screaming in the womb, in pain
--Most abortions consist of dismemberment
--Democrats want to legalize post-birth abortion :doh
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jimbo said:
They probably are.

They probably are.

Probably not.

I doubt it.

This I don't want to believe, but certain Democrats have stated so. Gov Northram for one. There are others. I am absolutely against any abortion of a human having the ability to survive outside the womb. Including those not yet born.
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cabse5 said:
It would be nice if you were to provide some examples of incorrect right-winged dogma about abortion.
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Here is an excellent start.


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And then there is this.

Just 45 days: if Republicans have their way, that’s how much time a woman in Iowa will have to report being raped if she wants to obtain an abortion.

To put it in perspective, that’s one missed period – assuming a woman’s cycles are regular and that she’s even paying attention, given she was just sexually assaulted a few weeks previous. If a woman who has been raped doesn’t report the attack within that small sliver of time, the state will not allow her end the pregnancy.
Should rape victims be able to have abortions? Republicans don't think so | Jessica Valenti | Opinion | The Guardian
 
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VanceMack said:
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Yes, a solid grasp of reality enables that. It brings peace and hope for a world where men and women are equal, with women's lives respected as much as men's.

You should try it.

(I note that you could not refute any of my statements.)
 
dairyair said:
Here is an excellent start.


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And then there is this.

Just 45 days: if Republicans have their way, that’s how much time a woman in Iowa will have to report being raped if she wants to obtain an abortion.

To put it in perspective, that’s one missed period – assuming a woman’s cycles are regular and that she’s even paying attention, given she was just sexually assaulted a few weeks previous. If a woman who has been raped doesn’t report the attack within that small sliver of time, the state will not allow her end the pregnancy.
Should rape victims be able to have abortions? Republicans don't think so | Jessica Valenti | Opinion | The Guardian
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Not too worried. Every one of these attempts at new laws have been blocked so far. Because they are unConstitutional.
 
Lursa said:
One cannot unlock a mind rigidly closed by dogma. They choose to remain willfully ignorant so that they need not ever confront the weakness of their beliefs...take out one brick, then another, like evolution, and then another....and eventually it all collapses. And it is not exclusively males.
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No irony here. :roll:
 
noonereal said:
This pattern is not confined to abortion. Males who self identify as conservative, now as Trumpets, do this on all subjects because it is a core tenet of Trumpism.

Alternate facts over truth. It's in their rule book.
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You probably don't even realize how you just demonstrated everything you've accused conservative men of being. I guess that make you a proget.
 
Bullseye said:
No irony here. :roll:
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Please tell me what 'dogma' I adhere to? I am following the Constitution. I understand the science, I am open to new facts.

Please explain why you believe that I am willfully ignorant on this issue? How I am close-minded about it? I'd like to know, because I'm willing to learn.
 
Lursa said:
Please tell me what 'dogma' I adhere to? I am following the Constitution. I understand the science, I am open to new facts.

Please explain why you believe that I am willfully ignorant on this issue? How I am close-minded about it? I'd like to know, because I'm willing to learn.
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"Following the Constitution"? You can't possibly be serious.
 
Bullseye said:
"Following the Constitution"? You can't possibly be serious.
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Of course. The Constitution protects women's rights to bodily sovereignty and self-determination. To due process and to privacy in matters of family/reproduction/medicine. To liberty and not being forced to remain pregnant against our will.

Check out the 1st, 4th, 10th, 13th, and 14th Amendments.

13th A interpretation:
When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to 'involuntary servitude' in violation of the Thirteenth Amendment….Even if the woman has stipulated to have consented to the risk of pregnancy, that does not permit the state to force her to remain pregnant.
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The born and unborn cannot be treated equally under the law, it's not possible. If you know a way, please provide the legal foundation that the high courts could consider.

And then we can discuss the legal principle that the courts use called "the Balancing Test."
 
Lursa said:
Of course. The Constitution protects women's rights to bodily sovereignty and self-determination. To due process and to privacy in matters of family/reproduction/medicine. To liberty and not being forced to remain pregnant against our will.

Check out the 1st, 4th, 10th, 13th, and 14th Amendments.




The born and unborn cannot be treated equally under the law, it's not possible. If you know a way, please provide the legal foundation that the high courts could consider.

And then we can discuss the legal principle that the courts use called "the Balancing Test."
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LOL, pure jabberwocky. I've checked all those amendments and don't see a single word about reproduction or abortion.
 
Bullseye said:
LOL, pure jabberwocky. I've checked all those amendments and don't see a single word about reproduction or abortion.
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Maybe you should read the RvW opinion, it discusses some of them and how the court applied them, and the other amendments also provide basis.

You make me laugh...just because 'you dont understand it', it must not be right. :roll: You obviously dont understand the 10th, that's the one that directly applies to your claim! :lamo

But your entire argument is, "jabberwocky!" :rofl
 
Lursa said:
Maybe you should read the RvW opinion, it discusses some of them and how the court applied them, and the other amendments also provide basis.

You make me laugh...just because 'you dont understand it', it must not be right. :roll: You obviously dont understand the 10th, that's the one that directly applies to your claim! :lamo

But your entire argument is, "jabberwocky!" :rofl
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Jumping Jehoshaphat !
 
Lursa said:
Maybe you should read the RvW opinion, it discusses some of them and how the court applied them, and the other amendments also provide basis.

You make me laugh...just because 'you dont understand it', it must not be right. :roll: You obviously dont understand the 10th, that's the one that directly applies to your claim! :lamo

But your entire argument is, "jabberwocky!" :rofl
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RvW is a manufactured decision. The Court new the result they wanted and created a justification to get there.
 
Bullseye said:
RvW is a manufactured decision. The Court new the result they wanted and created a justification to get there.
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LOL, it was a 7-2 decision with a mostly conservative bench.

Now instead of repeating back some talking point you read somewhere...let's see you back up your claim with facts and links.

Otherwise we're back to:
Lursa said:
You make me laugh...just because 'you dont understand it', it must not be right.
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And there's no controversy that the 10th is the reason why abortion doesnt have to be enumerated in the Const to be a right. If there is, source it? Or at least articulate some sort of argument, period :doh (And then I'll supply the linked explanation from the Kid's Law site, lolololol) Ooo ooo ooo! Hey, can you show where in the Constitution people have the right to have kids? We do, correct? So where is that, which amendment? :lol:

But please, offer something more than "na huh!"
 
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vegas giants said:
That's nice. Its kind of convenient that you will never risk your life in pregnancy. Easy for you to tell others to risk theirs
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Don't tell anyone to get pregnant if that is the risk you are whining about. Others can or can not, it's up to them. Are you glad your mother took the risk?
 
Lursa said:
One cannot unlock a mind rigidly closed by dogma. They choose to remain willfully ignorant so that they need not ever confront the weakness of their beliefs...take out one brick, then another, like evolution, and then another....and eventually it all collapses. And it is not exclusively males.
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Can you not accept that some people, males and females, simply believe that taking the life of the unborn is wrong? It has nothing to do with ignorance, and, in some cases such as my own, religion is not involved at all. We simply believe that destroying a tiny life, simply because one can, is just wrong.
 
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