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    Re: Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true about abortion.

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    Re: Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true about abortion.

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    The reason I like Polish law on this matter is because of the effect it had on the people. Many people there wanted to ban all abortions, while, of course, the opposition wanted free reign on when to abort. The compromise, for them, was that abortion was allowed in certain circumstances. The result of this law was.....a resounding success. People came to accept it, and politically, it was completely dropped as a partisan issue, parties on both siders are nervous about "rocking the boat", fearing it could cause changes too far left or right against there interests. Everyone got a little bit of what they wanted, and now it's not nearly the problem it used to be.

    As a result, i see no reason why we can't follow similar laws here, and expect similar results. Abortion has divided us enough, don't you think?
    You keep mentioning the laws of that prolife country while ignoring the pro choice countries that have the same results. Its a dropped issue. Some how you think its a strong point but it instantly fails based on reality and rights. Like the majority of first world countries with rights and freedoms america will not be moving backwards and treating women as lessers. America already has both sides getting what they want but people like you want MORE and the other side to have LESS. No thanks, ill be sticking with womans rights and something that is much close to the middle and equal (even though equality on this issue is impossible). Its ironic because the people trying to rock the boat here are people like you.

    why do you want something that is less in the middle and something that violates women's current rights?
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    Re: Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true about abortion.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    You keep mentioning the laws of that prolife country while ignoring the pro choice countries that have the same results. Its a dropped issue. Some how you think its a strong point but it instantly fails based on reality and rights. Like the majority of first world countries with rights and freedoms america will not be moving backwards and treating women as lessers. America already has both sides getting what they want but people like you want MORE and the other side to have LESS. No thanks, ill be sticking with womans rights and something that is much close to the middle and equal (even though equality on this issue is impossible). Its ironic because the people trying to rock the boat here are people like you.

    why do you want something that is less in the middle and something that violates women's current rights?
    Why would I want to accomplish the same results while endorsing abortion for all? That kind of destroys the point. I don't care what results pro-choice countries have. You're endorsing an immoral position. I'm glad pro choicers like their laws, but if Poland can accomplish the same things(and by all stats, are much more successful, their abortion rate is far below the US average), and have similar/better results, then they are a superior position both morally and statistically.

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    Re: Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true about abortion.

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    I don't agree.
    That is your right.
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    Re: Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true about abortion.

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    That is your right.
    well don't tell me that. i already know. Tell that to all the "pro-choicers" here who keep telling me I have no right to vote for my opinions...you know....as if i don't have a "choice" at the ballot box.

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    Re: Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true about abortion.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    well don't tell me that. i already know. Tell that to all the "pro-choicers" here who keep telling me I have no right to vote for my opinions...you know....as if i don't have a "choice" at the ballot box.
    Who is telling you you have no right to vote according to your beliefs? Can you quote someone?

    Now...some of your beliefs if made into law may be found unconstitutional. That is different.

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    Re: Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true about abortion.

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Who is telling you you have no right to vote according to your beliefs? Can you quote someone?
    np.

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    What is not your right is to demand that the government support your religion by enacting laws forcing all people to live by your religions dogma. Neither you personally or you collectively as a religion have the right to dictate to any woman or man that they must conform to the dogma of any religion.
    I have a right to make any demands I want from the government, no matter how ridiculous it may say sound or even if they are unconstitutional, because the constitution can always be amended. I have that right, as a voter.

    Now...some of your beliefs if made into law may be found unconstitutional. That is different.
    You are correct. There is a system of checks and balances. However, just because a court may say it's unconstitutional, doesn't mean i still can't vote on the ballot box. As long as I have a right to vote, I have right to vote for my demands, regardless of what the system would say about it in the end. To say otherwise, as weaver did, is disenfranchising to everyone, not just the religious people he complains about.

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    Re: Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true about abortion.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Why would I want to accomplish the same results while endorsing abortion for all? That kind of destroys the point. I don't care what results pro-choice countries have. You're endorsing an immoral position. I'm glad pro choicers like their laws, but if Poland can accomplish the same things(and by all stats, are much more successful, their abortion rate is far below the US average), and have similar/better results, then they are a superior position both morally and statistically.
    The stats only include the abortions Polish women have in the country of Poland.

    Many Polish women just Go to Germany to have their abortions.

    From the following Time article:

    It’s Almost Impossible To Get An Abortion In Poland. These Women Crossed The Border To Germany For Help


    Polish Women Fight Back Against Restrictive Abortion Laws
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    Re: Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true about abortion.

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The stats only include the abortions Polish women have in the country of Poland.

    Many Polish women just take a holiday Germany to have their abortions.


    Polish Women Fight Back Against Restrictive Abortion Laws
    Well, that's not poland's responsibility. That's their decision they made with their own resources. nothing Poland can do about it.

    And even then, Germany's abortion rate as a whole is still lower than the US, so whatever amount of polish women that go there, it's most certainly not enough to be significant.

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    Re: Most conservative males keep reposting nonsense they know is not true about abortion.

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    The stats only include the abortions Polish women have in the country of Poland.

    Many Polish women just Go to Germany to have their abortions.

    From the following Time article:

    It’s Almost Impossible To Get An Abortion In Poland. These Women Crossed The Border To Germany For Help


    Polish Women Fight Back Against Restrictive Abortion Laws
    Abortion is illegal in germany too, they just exempt the mother from liability....probably why their abortion rate is lower, despite carrying the burden for 2 countries lol

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