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    Re: [W:155] Can someone support women’s rights and oppose abortion?

    Somebody is not being truthful:

    Planned Parenthood | Official Site
    Federal, state and local funds can be used to either pay directly for abortions, or to subsidize abortions through
    supporting abortion providers, or by subsidizing health insurance plans. Tax-funding of abortion dramatically increases
    the amount of abortions.

    Home - Right to Life of Michigan Right to Life Michigan
    Federal, state and local funds can be used to either pay directly for abortions, or to subsidize abortions through supporting abortion providers, or by subsidizing health insurance plans. Tax-funding of abortion dramatically increases the amount of abortions.

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    Re: [W:155] Can someone support women’s rights and oppose abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorps2000 View Post
    Somebody is not being truthful:

    Planned Parenthood | Official Site
    Federal, state and local funds can be used to either pay directly for abortions, or to subsidize abortions through
    supporting abortion providers, or by subsidizing health insurance plans. Tax-funding of abortion dramatically increases
    the amount of abortions.

    Home - Right to Life of Michigan Right to Life Michigan
    Federal, state and local funds can be used to either pay directly for abortions, or to subsidize abortions through supporting abortion providers, or by subsidizing health insurance plans. Tax-funding of abortion dramatically increases the amount of abortions.
    You are not being truthful Your links do not work and your statements are misleading and do not tell the truth.

    Supporting abortion providers are donated private funds ....not taxpayers money.

    Abortion clinics charge the patients for abortions.
    Over 200,000 women request help paying for their abortions every year.

    Private donations help women pay for their abortions.


    From the fund abortion now .org site:


    Where do abortion funds get their money?

    Nearly all abortion funds get their money from private donors [who care about abortion access.
    The people who donate to abortion funds believe that every woman has a right to make the decision that’s best for her life and her situation, regardless of how much money she has in the bank.

    Can abortion funds pay the whole cost of my abortion?

    Sadly, abortion funds cannot afford to cover the whole cost of your abortion.

    There are 200,000 women every single year who need help paying for an abortion, and right now there’s just not enough money to go around.

    Abortion funds will give you as much as they can.
    In the following <SNIP> a women with 5 children resells of of struggles to try to raise money for an abortion when her husband was laid off his job during the last recession and she found out she was expecting again. Because they loved their children very much they decided she needed an abortion.She sold her wedding ring and other items but still did not have enough to pay the abortion so she aked for help funding the abortion:

    Here is a <SNIP> from her story.

    Sonia has 5 kids and her husband was just laid off.


    I love my big family...and I love my children too much to have another baby right now.


    My husband and I have five children. We love kids and we love having a big family. But when my husband got laid off from his contractor job, having a big family got really hard.

    When I found out I was pregnant again, it was terrifying. We love the idea of another child -- but we love the children we have too much to add that kind of stress to our family right now.

    I'm only working part-time and I couldn't get maternity leave, so I might not be able to keep my job with another little one. I hated that we had to make this decision, but it turned out that making the decision was the easiest part. Because then we had to find the money to pay for an abortion.

    We started taking stuff to the pawn shop: our vacuum cleaner, my wedding ring, our family television, the old desktop computer. When that wasn't enough, we took my husband's tools and his drills.

    That was the hardest trip. My husband's been trying to pick up construction work. Without his tools or his drills, there's hardly anyone who'll hire him.


    And after all that, we were short on what we needed. But the woman at the clinic gave us the name of an abortion fund.

    An abortion fund. Who knew, right?

    They gave us what we needed.

    And when I broke down on the phone and admitted that we didn't even have gas money to get to the clinic, they helped us with that, too.

    So now I pay the pawn shop every month to keep our things -- my wedding ring and my husband's tools are the only ones we can afford to pay on. And if you miss a month, the payment is doubled from then on. So we're stuck in this cycle. We'll be paying for this abortion for a long time.

    But the panic is gone. The rest of it, well...we'll figure it out. We'll do whatever we have to do to take care of our family.
    Sonia has 5 kids and her husband was just laid off. | Fund Abortion Now.org
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    Re: [W:155] Can someone support women’s rights and oppose abortion?

    The biggest thing is that even if abortion becomes illegal it won’t stop.
    I would quibble with that being the biggest thing but it certainly is true and it will be for women who can afford it and have the right connections. And as we've learned over the past few years it will be encouraged, if not paid for, for the mistresses of anti-choice Republicans.* There are many reasons to be pro-choice and this is just one of them
    *Republicans abhor abortions – unless it’s for their mistress, of course
    Meet Scott Lloyd, the head of the Office of Refugee Resettlement; in theory he’s responsible for supporting refugees build a better life in America by providing them with financial and medical assistance. Under previous administrations, this included abortion services. But we live in a God-fearing America now, and Lloyd has made it his mission to ensure refugee women, including unaccompanied minors, don’t get abortions. He even blocked a 17-year-old-girl who had been raped from having an abortion. “The child – the one who is destroyed – is not an aggressor,” he argued in a report. No Scott, the child isn’t an aggressor; you are.


    As Mother Jones reported this week, despite his patronizing proselytizing, Lloyd doesn’t always practice what he preaches. As a young man he drove an ex-girlfriend to get an abortion and paid for half of it.

    Lloyd joins an illustrious list of Republicans whose stance on abortion is basically: “It’s OK for me; evil for thee.” Earlier this year, for example, it emerged that Elliot Broidy, the former RNC deputy finance chairman paid $1.6m to a Playboy Playmate he had an affair with, after she aborted his child.

    Then there is Tim Murphy, the pro-life Pennsylvania Republican who resigned last year after it was revealed he had urged his mistress to consider an abortion. And let’s not forget the charming Scott DesJarlais. According to testimony during his divorce trial, the Tennessee congressman supported his ex-wife's decision to get two abortions before their marriage. The former doctor also allegedly pressured a 24-year-old patient he was having an affair with to get an abortion. Even after all that information came out DesJarlais still had the gall to vote for anti-abortion bills and boast of having a “100% pro-life voting record."
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    Re: [W:155] Can someone support women’s rights and oppose abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorps2000 View Post
    Somebody is not being truthful:

    Planned Parenthood | Official Site
    Federal, state and local funds can be used to either pay directly for abortions, or to subsidize abortions through
    supporting abortion providers, or by subsidizing health insurance plans. Tax-funding of abortion dramatically increases
    the amount of abortions.

    Home - Right to Life of Michigan Right to Life Michigan
    Federal, state and local funds can be used to either pay directly for abortions, or to subsidize abortions through supporting abortion providers, or by subsidizing health insurance plans. Tax-funding of abortion dramatically increases the amount of abortions.
    Checking both of those links, neither says what you have quoted them saying. How can you post "Someone is not being truthful" and then post what you have to know to be a lie and expect anyone to think you are an honest person?

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    Re: [W:155] Can someone support women’s rights and oppose abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    Checking both of those links, neither says what you have quoted them saying. How can you post "Someone is not being truthful" and then post what you have to know to be a lie and expect anyone to think you are an honest person?
    I was about to give this one some credit for at least being open to changing his mind but something told me to hold off. Turns out he (she?) churns out the usual anti-choice BS like all of these lying assholes.
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    Re: [W:155] Can someone support women’s rights and oppose abortion?

    Actually, it was a mistake should have looked closer. The PP one is wrong, but the Right to Life Michigan is correct.

    I'll post the correction in a minute. My apologizes.

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    Re: [W:155] Can someone support women’s rights and oppose abortion?

    ***** CORRECTION TO POST #321 *****

    Somebody is not being truethfull:

    How Federal Funding Works at Planned Parenthood
    | Planned Parenthood Federation of America Inc. and Planned Parenthood Action Fund, Inc.

    Most of Planned Parenthood’s federal funding is from Medicaid reimbursements for preventive care, and some is from
    Title X. At least 60% of Planned Parenthood patients rely on public health programs like Medicaid and Title X for
    preventive and primary care. “Defund" legislation immediately blocks these patients from care at Planned Parenthood
    centers


    Are My Tax Dollars Paying for Abortion? - Right to Life of Michigan
    Federal, state and local funds can be used to either pay directly for abortions, or to subsidize abortions through
    supporting abortion providers, or by subsidizing health insurance plans. Tax-funding of abortion dramatically increases
    the amount of abortions.

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    Re: [W:155] Can someone support women’s rights and oppose abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorps2000 View Post
    ***** CORRECTION TO POST #321 *****

    Somebody is not being truethfull:

    How Federal Funding Works at Planned Parenthood
    | Planned Parenthood Federation of America Inc. and Planned Parenthood Action Fund, Inc.

    Most of Planned Parenthood’s federal funding is from Medicaid reimbursements for preventive care, and some is from
    Title X. At least 60% of Planned Parenthood patients rely on public health programs like Medicaid and Title X for
    preventive and primary care. “Defund" legislation immediately blocks these patients from care at Planned Parenthood
    centers


    Are My Tax Dollars Paying for Abortion? - Right to Life of Michigan
    Federal, state and local funds can be used to either pay directly for abortions, or to subsidize abortions through
    supporting abortion providers, or by subsidizing health insurance plans. Tax-funding of abortion dramatically increases
    the amount of abortions.

    Your quote from "I stand with PP" doesn't have anything to do with state and federal payment for abortions. It's talking about payment for preventive services, which would include: sex-ed, STD and other disease screening and testing, contraceptive information and provision, pregnancy, pre and post natal information and care.
    This quote doesn't support your belief that state and federal funding is available to everyone for abortions.



    Your quote from Michigan Right to Life is only part of the information about abortion funding. Here's the rest of it:

    Does Planned Parenthood use taxpayer money on abortions?
    Planned Parenthood receives more than $500 million dollars in taxpayer funding every year. ......... Planned Parenthood claims abortion is inseparable from their mission, and with half of their budget coming from taxpayers, it’s safe to say our tax dollars are inseparable from their abortion mission.

    (Sounds really bad. What they are not telling you is that the $500M is for payment of non-abortion services, like the ones listed above. And what you haven't posted from that site is the bit about the Hyde Amendment posted below since you forgot it)


    What is the Hyde Amendment? Can federal tax dollars pay for abortions?
    Since 1977, an annual budget rider called the Hyde Amendment has been signed into law prohibiting federal payments through Medicaid for most abortions. Exceptions include ending pregnancies when the mother’s life is in danger, and since 1993 abortions in the case of rape, or incest. Other health programs (military care, Veterans Administration, Indian Health Service, etc.) that provide direct care are largely restricted from providing abortions services.


    Federal and state funds are not being used to pay for abortions except in the case of incest, rape and maternal or fetal death

    You're right someone is not being truethful(sic)

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    Re: [W:155] Can someone support women’s rights and oppose abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post

    Federal and state funds are not being used to pay for abortions except in the case of incest, rape and maternal or fetal death
    How many times do you have to be told that before you stop saying that the federal and state governments fund abortions????????

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    Re: [W:155] Can someone support women’s rights and oppose abortion?

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    How many times do you have to be told that before you stop saying that the federal and state governments fund abortions????????
    You can say it as many times as you want, it doesn't make it true. Prove it...

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