[W:344:1201]License to Kill

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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Angel said:
Abortion is killing. Wake up.

Yeah, I am perfectly awake. And I am right, you however are wrong with your personal and incorrect view that it is killing.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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Angel said:
No such thing as "a ZEF" -- stop dehumanizing the victim.

1. no victim and

2.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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Angel said:
Of course he did. Start reading.

That is an untruthful statement. You should try and read because clearly you are reading things only you seem to see.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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Angel said:
Do you know her name?
The rest of your post might be named Silliness Supreme.

Yup, it is years2late, use it don't abuse it. If you have problems reading people's names, don't make up silly things like "madam", she is not the boss of a brothel or living in the past.

Nope, the rest is reality and the truth, they are wonderful things. You might try it from time to time.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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Angel said:
Your animosity is confusing you more and more. Look to it.

My animosity :lamo

Do you actually have a point to make or are you trying to look totally wrong. My post was completely on point, sadly you seem to have missed that. Maybe it has something to do with your animosity, because I personally cannot see any reason why I would have been filled with animosity towards Integrityrespec.

This all goes back to definitions of legal laws this time. The post of Integrityrespec was about the confusion he so clearly had about feticide laws and infanticide laws. Feticide laws allow the government to prosecute someone when a crime has cause a woman to loose her fetus, a fetus that was wanted by her and which would in due course have become a baby/human being. You know, Integretyrespec posted:

Integrityrespec said:
If a baby, fetus isn't alive until it is born then how does the state try a person for causing the death of a pregnant mothers child while in the womb?
Unborn Victims of Violence Act - Wikipedia

He added the unborn victims of violence act as a link, and when one looks at that article, the second line of that article is:

See also: Feticide § Laws in the United States

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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Angel said:
What play is that from?

Wow, don't you know that? Ooh wait, it was from Shakespeare play Hamlet. A play I have read and also you used it several times and mentioned where it was from, so why not treat you to the same response.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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Angel said:
I'm the only one posting to this thread worth talking to.

:lamo

:lamo

:lamo

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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Angel said:
Laughable talking points without a shred of credibility.

:roll:

Yes, you indeed do not much more than posting ridiculous talking points and opinions with no value when it comes to arguments. And credibility, unlike you I can prove my claims. Here are 3 books and 3 publications which mention the ZEF as the acronym which you claim is not a medical but political creation. Which proves again you are wrong again.

Books:

Understanding Human behavior - Tessie J. Rodriguez

In pregnancy the three (3) stages are commonly referred to as ZEF - meaning Zygote, Embryo, Fetus

Understanding Human Behavior - Tessie J. Rodriquez - Google Books

The common law inside the female body - written by Anita Bernstein:

I will use the neologism Zef, an acronym for zygote-embryo-fetus.

The Common Law Inside the Female Body - Anita Bernstein - Google Books

Human development (biology) - Alphascript publishing EAN 9786130633769

In pregnancy the three stages are commonly referred too as Z.E.F. - meaning Zygote, Embryo, Fetus.

Human Development (Biology), 978-613-0-63376-9, 6130633769 ,9786130633769

Publication

Environment surrounding birth morula blastula - Baylor University

ZEF - zygote, embryo, fetus

environment surrounding birth morula blastula dividing mass of cells ZEF zygote | Course Hero

Common Law Fundamentals of the Right to Abortion by Anita Bernstein Brooklyn Law School

For want of a better term I use the neologism Zef, an acronym for zygote-embryo-fetus.

https://digitalcommons.law.buffalo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4556&context=buffalolawreview

The woman-embryo conflict in the abortion debate at the parliament. Rev. Estud. Fem. [online]. 2008, vol.16, n.2, pp.667-674. ISSN 0104-026X. http://dx.doi.org/10.1590/S0104-026X2008000200022.

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_abstract&pid=S0104-026X2008000200022&lng=en&nrm=iso
Then, it discusses the personhood assigned to zef (zygote-embryo-fetus) based on biomedical arguments.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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Angel said:
Like many other Internet Skeptics, you fail to distinguish between moral judgment and morality. Moral judgment is indeed subjective, but morality is objective and universal -- all human beings have a sense of right and wrong as regards human life.

Yes, but the problem is those senses of morality and the content of that are completely subjective, not objective OR universal.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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Angel said:
No pregnany woman in the history of pregnant women has had a creature called a "zef" inside her womb.

Wrong as usual.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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Angel said:
Stop dehumanizing the unborn.

Stop posting factually incorrect nonsense.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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Angel said:
I am not about to underwrite poor reading skills. Neither Peter King nor you have to post the precise words "just a zef" in order to post that the unborn is just a zef.

The problem is not your poor reading skills, the problem is that you falsely claim things about other posters. You make things up and it is not OK. I never posted anything about just a ZEF or voiced the opinion that the unborn is just a ZEF.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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Angel said:
Every time you and others call the unborn a "zef" you're posting that it is just a zef. A zef doesn't exist. It's political jargon from abortion apologetics, dehumanizing the unborn.

Wrong, you are just talking nonsense here. Your talking point regarding ZEF is factually totally nonsense. Start reading up instead of repeating this old nonsense.

Human development (biology)

Editor-In-Chief: C. Michael Gibson, M.S., M.D.

Development begins with fertilization, the process by which the male gamete, the sperm cell, and the female gamete, the oocyte, fuse to give rise to a diploid cell, the zygote. In pregnancy the 3 stages are commonly referred to as ZEF - meaning Zygote, Embryo, Fetus.

Human development (biology) - wikidoc

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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Angel said:
Every time you call it a "zef."

Factual nonsense, proved it time and time again you are just wrong with this nonsense.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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marke said:
I cannot believe we are arguing with someone who wants the bloody practice of killing babies in the womb promoted, practiced and protected.

Factual nonsense, nobody is killing babies in abortion. And the only thing I am interested in is protecting women's rights and lowering abortion numbers by measures that NEVER violate the rights of women.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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marke said:
What's a ZEF? What monkeys call their babies they think evolved from pond scum?

The acronym for Zygote/Embryo/Fetus. No it is what people called the stages of pregnancy if they are not totally devoid of any sense of reality.

Scrabaholic · Feb 8, 2020

Aberration said:
Science says otherwise.

Pro-killers have to play on words. Because they are literally worse than Hitler, Stalin, Mao and all the rest combined.

Vile scum.

Personhood is not a scientific construct. It is a social one and is bestowed at live birth.

I am not a pro killer. I am pro choice.

Aberration · Feb 8, 2020

Scrabaholic said:
Personhood is not a scientific construct. It is a social one and is bestowed at live birth.

I am not a pro killer. I am pro choice.

You didn’t say person. You said people.

Pro choice is pro killer. That’s the choice you are pro for, whether to kill another human or not.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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marke said:
Do abortionists really have to lie about what is really going on in order to protect their bloody money-making butchery?

Most likely still more believable than pro-life propaganda.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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marke said:
Abortionists are weak. They cannot bring themselves to believe atrocious things are being done in the name of abortion that they do not want to believe are being done.

no, pro-life propaganda is believable :lamo

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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marke said:
The Germans must have also thought torturing and butchering Jews was good because it was done in the name of scientific research.

:roll: Don't pro-life extremists ever think about the nonsense they post? Sad and pathetic to bring the holocaust into this, just shows the lack of morals from the pro-life propaganda machine.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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marke said:
Barbarians believe the mother has life but the baby does not. Not only that but barbarians think humans don't have souls but are given special chemical reactions after birth which gives them thoughts for the first time, making unborn babies mindless blobs of dead mass without value.

Babies have personhood rights, still not realized that babies only exist after birth? Babies are infants, one cannot kill those because that would be murder/infanticide.

And the rest of your post is the typical pro-life nonsense we see time and time again. Full of illogical claims (babies are never unborn), pseudo biological lies (human's don't have souls, souls are not part of biology). And fetuses are not dead mass, that is just illogical pro-life nonsense.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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marke said:
The atheistic barbarian believes humans descended from mindless jungle primates and their unborn babies do not have souls giving them any ability to think, reason, feel and so forth. Certain miraculous changes take place at birth when natural selection doles out chemical reactions and electrical charges which randomly combine for the first time to create thoughts and transform the formerly lifeless mindless worthless fetal masses into living life forms which can begin to contribute to the many pleasures of other fully evolved sensual human adults.

It is almost impressive how much nonsense pro-lifers religious extremists can dream up.

1. atheists are not barbarians, that is more a thing of religious people, but also not something that has a lot to do with abortion now does it.

2. evolution is the truth but not sure how this is connected to abortion, you know? The subject we are supposed to discuss?

3. read a dictionary from time to time (one not degraded by pro-life extremist aggressive propaganda) and you will read that babies are post birth, you cannot have unborn babies. Is it really so difficult to be correct when it comes to definitions?

4. further fake pro-life nonsense is not going to help you in this discussion

If you actually have something to discuss, besides posting ridiculous nonsense, you know where I am.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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marke said:
Women who choose their own selfish pleasures and comfort over the life of their unborn baby choose unwisely.

Again unborn babies do not exist. And what a woman does or does not do with her pleasures or uterus is none of your business.

Peter King · Feb 8, 2020

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marke said:
Those worthless biologic masses still attached to their mother by an umbilical cord in the 9th month of pregnancy are not babies, according to enlightened barbarian savages, but are potential babies who will never have souls or spirits because their mother's do not have souls or spirits.

don't be so rude about fetuses of women in the 9th month. And also, again, babies are post birth.

And I think the true barbarians are the pro-lifers who want to rob women of their right to choose. And there is no biological process in which souls come into play. That is religious fantasy.

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