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[W:344:1201]License to Kill

Scrabaholic said:
50 million fewer people in the world than there otherwise would be is not necessarily a bad thing.
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Actually it's a very good thing. No humane, thinking person wants to increase the population by 50,000,000 children, unplanned, unwanted and facing lives which will, statistically proven, be financially and emotionally insecure, with a high % doomed to addiction, crime, mental illness or poverty? Only an incredibly stupid and heartless person, incapable of logical thinking could want those 50,000,000 children to be forced into the real world.
 
weaver2 said:
In celebration of the 50 million women who got to make their own decisions about what was best for the future their family, themselves and the fetus. May religion never again intrude on people's right to make private decisions privately.
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Actually it is many more women who got to make their own decisions than the 50 million because the majority choose to not have an abortion and keep their child.
 
Scrabaholic said:
50 million fewer people in the world than there otherwise would be is not necessarily a bad thing.
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More 100 million. Because it is not just 50 million but all their children and grandchildren who would also have been born.
 
Abortion Apologetics: Killing is Population Control
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Scrabaholic said:
50 million fewer people in the world than there otherwise would be is not necessarily a bad thing.
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Peter King said:
More 100 million. Because it is not just 50 million but all their children and grandchildren who would also have been born.
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Shameless.
One of the talking points.
Now expect the ifs, ands and buts.
 
Angel said:
Abortion Apologetics: Killing is Population Control
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Shameless.
One of the talking points.
Now expect the ifs, ands and buts.
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No if, ands or buts, what's really shameless is knowing that most unplanned and unwanted children will live with poverty, crime, addiction or mental illness and knowing this, insist that abortion is immoral and women who abort are killers. That's what is shameless.
 
Angel said:
Only abortion apologetics would view statistics as "Mental Masturbation" -- a spiteful characterization in reaction to the tragic light the stats cast on abortion apologetics.
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You post irrelevant population facts and ignore all the studies that show unplanned and unwanted pregnancies produce children that are statistically highly likely to end up living in poverty and with addictions, crime, prostitution, incarceration, homelessness and mental illness. It's not abortion apologists that are ignoring statistics.
 
Angel said:
Abortion Apologetics: Killing is Population Control
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Shameless.
One of the talking points.
Now expect the ifs, ands and buts.
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I see, more pro-life talking points and methods I see.

1. calling abortion "killing" and "killing is population control"
2. pro-life tactics like calling pro-choice supporters "abortion apologetic's"
3. your post about the supposed 50 million (in fact I have read even higher figures) lives lost to abortion, your "in memoriam" post.

Because a pro-choice person does not make any value comment about women having an abortion. They may personally feel they are against abortion and would never have one but do not malign women by stating that they are killing babies/killing to control the population. The only things a woman who has an abortion should be concerned with is that she is making the choice for the right reason in her view, from her personal situation and from her reality. Not influenced by pro-choice advocates or pro-life extremists to do one thing or another. The reason I am pro-choice is because I want it to be 100% the woman's choice. What choice that is none, and I do mean NONE OF MY BUSINESS!!!! As long as she is convinced she makes the right choice it should be nobodies business.

Sadly most pro-lifers are making the abortion statistics higher year after year after year. Most of them are ardent conservatives, religious interfering busybodies and staunch republicans while also claiming they are pro-life. Which is nonsense.

They fight affordable healthcare, federal support for affordable of free birth control is not on their agenda (actually the opposite), they are enemies of good sex education, fight income support programs for poor families with many children and will do everything in their power to stop struggling families from getting more benefits because they feel it is evil, while having no problem poring billions after billions (read trillions after trillions) into their own pet projects.

If you want to have fewer abortions you do it by better health care, good prenatal and postnatal checks, good doctors, no worries about medications for their children, affordable birth control/free birth control, parental time off before and after birth, family leave, holiday leave, child support, food support for struggling families, affordable housing, good sex education, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

As a pro-choice person I want women to be free to choose, and really free to choose. Not forced to choose because of financial difficulties that people in the US have on the lower rungs of society but out of free choice because they know it is the right choice, not the only financial choice.

I would never condemn a woman for choosing abortion, because it is none of my business to condemn people and I do not have the knowledge of why she choose what she choose.

I will not be giving ifs and buts because I am pro-choice and unapologitic about that.
 
Angel said:
Abortion Apologetics: Killing is Population Control
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Shameless.
One of the talking points.
Now expect the ifs, ands and buts.
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Stop lying about me. I have NEVER advocated abortion for population control.
 
Peter King said:
...I will not be giving ifs and buts because I am pro-choice and unapologitic about that.
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You gave your ifs ands and buts, and gave them in spades in the deleted portion of the post quoted above.

But we have been done since #1570, as I told you.
Angel said:
Save your bad-faith breath, boss. We were done at #1570.
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#1570
Angel said:
Of course you don't care!
Of course you don't care that you've mischaracterized an opponent's views!
Of course you don't care whether or not you know what you're posting about!
Of course you don't care to understand a view opposed to your own!
Of course you're emoji-yawning in the face of correction!
Of course you're pro-abortion!
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However, we can add to the charges:

Of course killing 50 million unborn human beings is population control!
Of course you're an atheist!
 
Angel said:
You gave it your approval.
Here's your imprimatur:
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He did not advocate. He made a statement of the effect of 50 million less people being born might mean.
 
Reflections on The Fifty Million
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There have been 50,000,000 abortions in America since Roe v Wade

50 million lives lost to abortion since 1973

Think about it

That's more than the populations of most of the countries of the world


Populations of countries of the world

Morocco 36,910,560

Saudi Arabia 34,813,871

Uzbekistan 33,469,203

Peru 32,971,854

Angola 32,866,272

Malaysia 32,365,999

Mozambique 31,255,435

Ghana 31,072,940

Yemen 29,825,964

Nepal 29,136,808

Population by Country (2020) - Worldometers

Happy New Year, America?
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Angel said:
You gave it your approval.
Here's your imprimatur:
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Stop lying about me. I merely mentioned it as a side effect of abortion. I have NEVER advocated that women abort to control the population.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Stop lying about me. I merely mentioned it as a side effect of abortion. I have NEVER advocated that women abort to control the population.
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I don't intend to dance your denial dance with you again, or ever again. You post a statement and then claim I misread you, I just quote your post and let it speak for itself.
Scrabaholic said:
50 million fewer people in the world than there otherwise would be is not necessarily a bad thing.
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Angel said:
I don't intend to dance your denial dance with you again, or ever again. You post a statement and then claim I misread you, I just quote your post and let it speak for itself.
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Says the guy who pretends his personal morals are the objective true ones
 
Angel said:
I don't intend to dance your denial dance with you again, or ever again. You post a statement and then claim I misread you, I just quote your post and let it speak for itself.
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That statement in no way says that I promote abortion for population control. Stop lying about me.
 
Angel said:
You gave your ifs ands and buts, and gave them in spades in the deleted portion of the post quoted above.

But we have been done since #1570, as I told you.

#1570

However, we can add to the charges:

Of course killing 50 million unborn human beings is population control!
Of course you're an atheist!
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Nope, no ifs or buts, just constant actual pro-choice statements.

And what deleted portion would that be? The one where I stated that (completely correctly) that 50 million abortions does not mean just them but the offspring of them too? That is just simple math and statistics, it makes no value comment whatsoever. But try thinking about the US with 150 million more people, do you think that would be so great? These people need to be fed, treated for illness, etc. etc. etc. and that is not really possible and still maintain a proper standard of life for the USA.

No, we have not done because you keep posting pro-life tropes that could come out of the pages of pro-life websites/doctrines.

Nope, first of all it is not killing, it is aborting.

And yes, I am an atheist and proud to be one.
 
Angel said:
"It is not killing, it is aborting. I am an atheist and proud to be one."
--Peter King​
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More nonsense I see, re-posting my words as if it is a strange or incorrect thing I wrote. Again, proud to be an atheist and proud to be pro-choice, but then that you dislike that is obvious, as you keep peddling pro-life talking points/arguments.
 
Angel said:
You approved.
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I have NEVER advocated abortion for population control. EVER. Saying that it's a good thing that there are fewer people in the world is NOT approving of abortion for population control. Stop lying about me.
 
Scrabaholic said:
I have NEVER advocated abortion for population control. EVER. Saying that it's a good thing that there are fewer people in the world is NOT approving of abortion for population control. Stop lying about me.
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Achieving less over population is best achieved by birth control the good old fashioned way, men using a condom, women being on the pill or best yet a combination of the 2. But that also angers the majority of the pro-life crowd so it is a win win win situation IMHO, prevent unwanted pregnancies, control the population growth and anger illogical people in the process.
 
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