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    Re: License to Kill

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    The preservation of life, as hardwired in the animal instinct for self-preservation, is the primary value, objective and universal.
    All of morality originates in this primary objective value: Life.
    Don't you think women deserve to respond to their own self preservation instincts? Or, when faced with injury or death, should they consult a "holy" man first?

    The idea of life being sacred is such an absurd contradiction to human history. We wouldn't be having this conversation in the USA if magical thinking weren't so popular.

    The most violent, religious people always think their faith is about peace. How dumb do think the rest of us are not to notice how little peace the gods have actually inspired?

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    Re: License to Kill

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Biology.
    Yes we know you shared your meaningless feelings that biology does but since we asked for facts nobody cares about your feelings and illogical opinions

    Fact remains abortion =/= murder, Abortion =/= licenses to kill and Morals are subjective

    Can ANYBODY post ONE fact proving otherwise please . . anybody . .one fact? thanks!
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    Re: License to Kill

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    Uh-huh. Morality is subjective because of the definition of "subjective." We've heard this endless nonsense of yours much too long now. You should know better.
    you call it nonsense but yet that fact destroys your false claims at each and every turn so tell us who should know better again?

    until you can refute it or simply make a post based on honesty and integrity and admit, your issue will continue to happen
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    Re: License to Kill

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    No one has to know anything more about pregnancy than a child can understand, that another human life is growing inside mommy, in order to understand that 50 million abortions in as many years represents a moral red flag.
    Well perhaps children need to know that miscarriages happen in many pregnancies even in the healthiest of women .

    I am pragmatic. I fight for access to long term high quality contraception. That helps prevent abortion most consistently - but the women most at risk for abortion are too poor to afford the hefty price tag (800 plus). They are too rich for Medicaid and too poor for self pay.

    I know you value making this a moral or philosophical issue....but woman who race severe hardship due to pregnancy are desperate- it inconvenienced. The best fight is prevention of pregnancy.

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    Re: License to Kill

    Quote Originally Posted by D_NATURED View Post
    Don't you think women deserve to respond to their own self preservation instincts? Or, when faced with injury or death, should they consult a "holy" man first?

    The idea of life being sacred is such an absurd contradiction to human history. We wouldn't be having this conversation in the USA if magical thinking weren't so popular.

    The most violent, religious people always think their faith is about peace. How dumb do think the rest of us are not to notice how little peace the gods have actually inspired?
    His post and argument on 'biology' is a fail anyway:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The great thing is, I did go thru his links about morality being objective...and they were almost all based on one man's admitted 'belief' based on his research on other animals. AND even he never said that morals were objective, he just said he believed that some animals demonstrate a type of morality. Nothing about it being objective...it's still subjective in how those animals conceive of and use 'their' morals.
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    This seems less like palliative care and more like a last meal.
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    Parrots of the Caribbean For Abortion!
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: License to Kill

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    The preservation of life, as hardwired in the animal instinct for self-preservation, is the primary value, objective and universal.
    All of morality originates in this primary objective value: Life.
    The original question: "Why is abortion morally wrong?" is not answered by stating that preservation; self or otherwise is the primary value, objective or universal. A fetus has no primary value. It does not preserve itself. When the going gets tough nature aborts a fetus and parents sacrifice to preserve the lives of the already born.

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    Re: License to Kill

    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    The original question: "Why is abortion morally wrong?" is not answered by stating that preservation; self or otherwise is the primary value, objective or universal.
    You don't appear to have followed the thread discussion very well. This biology business I posted replied to the stupid refrain that morality is subjective.
    Quote Originally Posted by weaver2 View Post
    A fetus has no primary value. It does not preserve itself. When the going gets tough nature aborts a fetus and parents sacrifice to preserve the lives of the already born.
    I think you know by now what I think you can do with your pro-abortion talking points.

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    Re: License to Kill

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Well perhaps children need to know that miscarriages happen in many pregnancies even in the healthiest of women .

    I am pragmatic. I fight for access to long term high quality contraception. That helps prevent abortion most consistently - but the women most at risk for abortion are too poor to afford the hefty price tag (800 plus). They are too rich for Medicaid and too poor for self pay.

    I know you value making this a moral or philosophical issue....but woman who race severe hardship due to pregnancy are desperate- it inconvenienced. The best fight is prevention of pregnancy.
    I have no quarrel with anything in this post of yours. Preventing pregnancy certainly avoids the moral crisis.
    I believe you say somewhere that you're a nurse working in the field of reproduction. That's admirable.
    And your pragmatic focus on contraception seems, well, practical and sound.

    One correction to the post, however: I am not "making this a moral or philosophical issue" -- abortion is a moral and philosophical issue. My whole quarrel with "abortion culture" is that it denies this.

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    Re: License to Kill

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel View Post
    You don't appear to have followed the thread discussion very well. This biology business I posted replied to the stupid refrain that morality is subjective.

    I think you know by now what I think you can do with your pro-abortion talking points.
    I followed the thread. Morality is subjective. Pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. Each person is free to decide what they think about abortion. And sometimes abortion is the most humane action possible.

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