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[W:344:1201]License to Kill

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Nope, none of this is your business, Angel, and your opinion is just your opinion,
 
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Angel said:
Then talk to yourselves about religion, not to me -- my views are strictly philosophical.
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You just think they are philosophical because it sounds better but your concept of morality is not non-religious, it's a Catholic morality.
 
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weaver2 said:
You just think they are philosophical because it sounds better but your concept of morality is not non-religious, it's a Catholic morality.
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My concept of morality is based on evolutionary biology. You might start reading my posts for a change.
 
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Angel said:
My concept of morality is based on evolutionary biology. You might start reading my posts for a change.
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Right, evolutionary biology accounts for your Catholic position on women who get abortions. Darwin wouldn't agree. I doubt if he would recognize your definition of evolutionary biology.
 
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weaver2 said:
Right, evolutionary biology accounts for your Catholic position on women who get abortions. Darwin wouldn't agree.
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You're committing a basic but common logical error in this post:

John believes in the equality of all citizens.
Communists believe in the equality of all citizens.
Therefore, John is a Communist.
 
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Angel said:
You're committing a basic but common logical error in this post:

John believes in the equality of all citizens.
Communists believe in the equality of all citizens.
Therefore, John is a Communist.
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Well you and John can work on that together. You're going to love John.
 
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Angel said:
I've been quoting your post verbatim, Madame. Pregnancy, in your own words, is "not a benign condition and can have a myriad of effects on a woman's body, some of them permanent. It can cause her great pain and discomfort." That sounds like a debilitating condition to me, and a debilitating condition is an illness or ailment of some kind.

Tell you what -- restate your post, choosing your words more carefully. Tell us what you meant to say.
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I did not say illness or debility. Why do you continue to lie?
 
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Scrabaholic said:
I did not say illness or debility. Why do you continue to lie?
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You did not use the words "illness" or "debility" and so in this sense, and in this sense only, you did not "say" "illness" or "debility."
However, you did use the words "pregnancy is not a benign condition" and you did use the words "a myriad of effects on a woman's body, some of them permanent" and you did use the words "cause her great pain and discomfort" -- all of which words make pregnancy sound like a debilitating illness.

Here is your post:
Scrabaholic said:
I do not use it as an argument for abortion. My argument for CHOICE is that pregnancy is not a benign condition and can have a myriad of effects on a woman's body, some of them permanent. It can cause her great pain and discomfort. No woman should be forced to gestate and give birth. Ever.
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And your loose and irresponsible use of words continues in your recent posts calling me a liar in public.
 
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Angel said:
You did not use the words "illness" or "debility" and so in this sense, and in this sense only, you did not "say" "illness" or "debility."
However, you did use the words "pregnancy is not a benign condition" and you did use the words "a myriad of effects on a woman's body, some of them permanent" and you did use the words "cause her great pain and discomfort" -- all of which words make pregnancy sound like a debilitating illness.

Here is your post:


And your loose and irresponsible use of words continues in your recent posts calling me a liar in public.
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Are you doubting that pregnancy is the sole cause of serious medical conditions that can be life threatening to deadly?

Are you doubting that even in a normal pregnancy a woman may become unable to work in the weeks before or after pregnancy? In fact pregnant women having normal pregnancy frequently qualify for short term disability. I work in a female dominated field and doctors put many of our nurses on significant restrictions starting as early as about 5 months. In fact once pregnant....there are many medications they are no longer allowed to administer and there are patients they are not allowed to take.

(I personally was off nearly 6 months -I was healthy prior to pregnancy).
 
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year2late said:
Are you doubting that pregnancy is the sole cause of serious medical conditions that can be life threatening to deadly?

Are you doubting that even in a normal pregnancy a woman may become unable to work in the weeks before or after pregnancy? In fact pregnant women having normal pregnancy frequently qualify for short term disability. I work in a female dominated field and doctors put many of our nurses on significant restrictions starting as early as about 5 months. In fact once pregnant....there are many medications they are no longer allowed to administer and there are patients they are not allowed to take.

(I personally was off nearly 6 months -I was healthy prior to pregnancy).
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No, what's going down here, and what's been going down here for several torturous pages of the thread, is that two abortion apologists have been trying to deny that one of them made the very claim you make in this forthright post of yours quoted above, a denial made more urgent (and ugly) by the fact that the member who recognized and called attention to this claim by the abortion apologist happened to be the notorious thinking pro-choicer-cum-anti-abortion-polemicist Angel Trismegistus, for whom they harbor a rankling animus precisely because he is a thinking pro-choicer-cum-anti-abortion-polemicist who challenges them in their fantastical talking-point universe of discourse at every turn in the road to moral perdition it has mapped for America in the last half-century. See?
 
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Angel said:
No, what's going down here, and what's been going down here for several torturous pages of the thread, is that two abortion apologists have been trying to deny that one of them made the very claim you make in this forthright post of yours quoted above, a denial made more urgent (and ugly) by the fact that the member who recognized and called attention to this claim by the abortion apologist happened to be the notorious thinking pro-choicer-cum-anti-abortion-polemicist Angel Trismegistus, for whom they harbor a rankling animus precisely because he is a thinking pro-choicer-cum-anti-abortion-polemicist who challenges them in their fantastical talking-point universe of discourse at every turn in the road to moral perdition it has mapped for America in the last half-century. See?
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Your post is a hot mess.
 
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Angel said:
No, what's going down here, and what's been going down here for several torturous pages of the thread, is that two abortion apologists have been trying to deny that one of them made the very claim you make in this forthright post of yours quoted above, a denial made more urgent (and ugly) by the fact that the member who recognized and called attention to this claim by the abortion apologist happened to be the notorious thinking pro-choicer-cum-anti-abortion-polemicist Angel Trismegistus, for whom they harbor a rankling animus precisely because he is a thinking pro-choicer-cum-anti-abortion-polemicist who challenges them in their fantastical talking-point universe of discourse at every turn in the road to moral perdition it has mapped for America in the last half-century. See?
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(T)wo women ...... harbor a rankling...... because a male ...... challenges them ..... at every turn in the road to moral perdition .....See?

Cleaned out the unnecessary words and !!surprise!! it just another case of a male telling a female they are going to hell because he doesn't like women's opinion about pregnancy, the fetus and abortion.

Oh yes, and there was that little matter of word twisting in order to condemn one woman into a hotter hell for saying pregnancy wasn't a benign condition. Apparently pregnancy is a gift from the male which gives him the right to manage the woman's pregnancy.
 
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weaver2 said:
(T)wo women ...... harbor a rankling...... because a male ...... challenges them ..... at every turn in the road to moral perdition .....See?

Cleaned out the unnecessary words and !!surprise!! it just another case of a male telling a female they are going to hell because he doesn't like women's opinion about pregnancy, the fetus and abortion.

Oh yes, and there was that little matter of word twisting in order to condemn one woman into a hotter hell for saying pregnancy wasn't a benign condition. Apparently pregnancy is a gift from the male which gives him the right to manage the woman's pregnancy.
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Listen, Miss. Take your feminist hermeneutics for a walk -- no thinking person takes it seriously. I wrote what I meant and I meant what I wrote. Your revision of my text is nugatory.
 
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Angel said:
You did not use the words "illness" or "debility" and so in this sense, and in this sense only, you did not "say" "illness" or "debility."
However, you did use the words "pregnancy is not a benign condition" and you did use the words "a myriad of effects on a woman's body, some of them permanent" and you did use the words "cause her great pain and discomfort" -- all of which words make pregnancy sound like a debilitating illness.

Here is your post:


And your loose and irresponsible use of words continues in your recent posts calling me a liar in public.
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I did not call you a liar. That is not allowed here.

Once again, I did not say pregnancy is an illness (it isn't) or a debility. Yes, it can cause a myriad of effects on a woman's body, but that does not mean she will be disabled. If you continue to say I did say it's an illness or debility, then you will be lying, as you've been corrected on that.
 
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Abortion Culture​

"Abortion Culture" is the current state of affairs in America (and Canada), a state of affairs a half-century in the making, in which the unreflective promotion of unnecessary abortion flourishes under color of law.

The 10 Talking Points of Abortion Culture​

1. the unborn human being is a "Zef" -- a political non-entity whose extinction is of no consequence
2. the unborn human being is not a "person"
3. the developing human being inside the womb has no moral right to life
4. because abortion is legal, abortion is not immoral
5. because a woman has a legal right to abort a pregnancy, she has no moral responsibility for her choice to abort
6. pregnancy is a debility and a nuisance remedied by abortion
7. abortion on the grounds of inconvenience is perfectly fine
8. abortion is a practical solution to the problem of over-population
9. feminism trumps humanism
0. the opinion of men must be dismissed because men don't get pregnant
 
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Angel said:
Abortion Culture​

"Abortion Culture" is the current state of affairs in America (and Canada), a state of affairs a half-century in the making, in which the unreflective promotion of unnecessary abortion flourishes under color of law.

The 10 Talking Points of Abortion Culture​

1. the unborn human being is a "Zef" -- a political non-entity whose extinction is of no consequence
2. the unborn human being is not a "person"
3. the developing human being inside the womb has no moral right to life
4. because abortion is legal, abortion is not immoral
5. because a woman has a legal right to abort a pregnancy, she has no moral responsibility for her choice to abort
6. pregnancy is a debility and a nuisance remedied by abortion
7. abortion on the grounds of inconvenience is perfectly fine
8. abortion is a practical solution to the problem of over-population
9. feminism trumps humanism
0. the opinion of men must be dismissed because men don't get pregnant
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Nice list of strawmen you made there
 
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Quag said:
Nice list of strawmen you made there
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Some of it is true ie. the zef is not a human being or person and it does not have a right to life. Some is untrue ie. I have never seen anyone say pregnancy is a debility.
Abortion is amoral, it is neither moral or immoral.
 
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Angel said:
Listen, Miss. Take your feminist hermeneutics for a walk -- no thinking person takes it seriously. I wrote what I meant and I meant what I wrote. Your revision of my text is nugatory.
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Here's your verbal diarrhea or post, (which ever you prefer) with only the words actually needed highlighted.

No, what's going down here, and what's been going down here for several torturous pages of the thread, is that two abortion apologists; ie women have been trying to deny that one of them made the very claim you make in this forthright post of yours quoted above, a denial made more urgent (and ugly) by the fact that the member who recognized and called attention to this claim by the abortion apologist happened to be the notorious thinking pro-choicer-cum-anti-abortion-polemicist Angel Trismegistus, for whom they harbor a rankling animus precisely because he; ie a male is a thinking pro-choicer-cum-anti-abortion-polemicist who challenges them in their fantastical talking-point universe of discourse at every turn in the road to moral perdition it has mapped for America in the last half-century. See?

Meaning has not been changed. I could have left out "moral perdition", but it was so cutely pretentious I left it in as a salute to all your richly eloquent and nugatory pomposities.
 
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Angel said:
The 10 Talking Points of Abortion Culture​

1. the unborn human being is a "Zef" -- a political non-entity whose extinction is of no consequence
2. the unborn human being is not a "person"
3. the developing human being inside the womb has no moral right to life
4. because abortion is legal, abortion is not immoral
5. because a woman has a legal right to abort a pregnancy, she has no moral responsibility for her choice to abort
6. pregnancy is a debility and a nuisance remedied by abortion
7. abortion on the grounds of inconvenience is perfectly fine
8. abortion is a practical solution to the problem of over-population
9. feminism trumps humanism
0. the opinion of men must be dismissed because men don't get pregnant
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1. Correct
2. Correct
3. Correct
4. Correct ( Immorality is giving birth to a child a woman does not want and cannot take care of)
5. Correct
6. Correct (except for the debility part)
7. Correct
8. Correct
9. Incorrect (feminism is included in humanism it doesn't supersede it)
10. Yup, if all they are doing is lecturing women on how to manage their pregnancy
 
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weaver2 said:
1. Correct
2. Correct
3. Correct
4. Correct ( Immorality is giving birth to a child a woman does not want and cannot take care of)
5. Correct
6. Correct (except for the debility part)
7. Correct
8. Correct
9. Incorrect (feminism is included in humanism it doesn't supersede it)
10. Yup, if all they are doing is lecturing women on how to manage their pregnancy
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Oh, they're all correct. Even the one you deny out of political correctness. They're all actual talking points of abortion apologetics, believe it or not.
All are correct as attributions, but all are nothing more than talking points. All just abortion propaganda. Not a single cogent argument for any one of them.
All just so much political jargon and cant.

Or is there an abortion apologist in the house who will venture an argument for any one of these talking points?
Anyone?
 
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Scrabaholic said:
Some of it is true ie. the zef is not a human being or person and it does not have a right to life. Some is untrue ie. I have never seen anyone say pregnancy is a debility.
Abortion is amoral, it is neither moral or immoral.
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TBH I just read the last few lines (Angels posts are rarely worth the effort) As to the morality well its subjective so it can be moral/immoral/amoral depending on the person
 
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Angel said:
See #1435 then if you insist on denying that you yourself said as much.
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Pregnancy in and of itself is not a disability.

It can cause disability. And depending on a person's employment, a pregnant person can work up until labor or need to be off work significantly earlier if no accommodations are available.
 
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