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[W:344:1201]License to Kill

Re: License to Kill

year2late said:
Most do not have abortion due to imminent risk of death . It is their decision not yours. Nor is it your decision when there a catastrophic fetal anomalies.
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It is up to individuals whether they commit murder or not.
 
Re: [W:344]License to Kill

Angel said:
Here is some of my argumentation for objective morality:




All you do, in your reply posts, as in the posts of your sidebar associate Quag and in the rebarbative posts of AGENT J, is repeat the catchphrase "Morality is subjective!"
No argument. No counterargument. Just post after post reiterating the catchphrase ""Morality is subjective! Morality is subjective!"
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All of that needs a lot more explanation in order for me to see what you are getting at. I know you are trying to say something about instinctual morality but it's not clear how you got to it's being objective.
 
Re: License to Kill

marke said:
No law was needed before Roe v. Wade for doctors to perform abortions to save the life of a mother. That is just a crap excuse for murdering tens of millions of unborn babies in the wombs of mothers whose life is not in danger.
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Prior to Roe v Wade there was no way to detect genetic and physical abnormalities in the fetus. It was however fairly easy to tell if the mother was going to die and take measures to prevent death. With today's sophisticated detection it is possible to abort a malformed fetus early in the pregnancy. Are you trying to say that a woman should carry a fetus for 9 months knowing it will die just after birth? Are you trying to say that women should not be allowed to make a decision of what is best for a potential child and abort of necessary?

What do you mean by "crap excuse".
 
Re: License to Kill

weaver2 said:
Prior to Roe v Wade there was no way to detect genetic and physical abnormalities in the fetus. It was however fairly easy to tell if the mother was going to die and take measures to prevent death. With today's sophisticated detection it is possible to abort a malformed fetus early in the pregnancy. Are you trying to say that a woman should carry a fetus for 9 months knowing it will die just after birth? Are you trying to say that women should not be allowed to make a decision of what is best for a potential child and abort of necessary?

What do you mean by "crap excuse".
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My wife gave birth to 9 babies. Doctors had told her two of the babies were problematic and recommended she abort them. She did not abort them and those two have been such terrific kids the world has been blessed to have them. She gave birth to one baby who was born with problems and lived only a few weeks before dying. Doctors never detected any problems with him before birth. Go figure.
 
Re: License to Kill

marke said:
My wife gave birth to 9 babies. Doctors had told her two of the babies were problematic and recommended she abort them. She did not abort them and those two have been such terrific kids the world has been blessed to have them. She gave birth to one baby who was born with problems and lived only a few weeks before dying. Doctors never detected any problems with him before birth. Go figure.
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Marke, you and your wife can procreate as many progeny as you want, even though 8 kids may not be the best decision for you, your wife, the environment or the kids themselves. You have that right. You use it. You produce all the kids you want and nobody is carrying signs and screaming, "sinner" at you for popping out babies in factory line production. Why is it that you think you should be denying others their right to control their family. You are controlling your family the way you want even though there are many that think 8 kids is just plain irresponsible. So tell us, why is it you have rights and others don't. How come it's OK for you to be irresponsible but others irresponsibilities are sins against your God and must be stopped?
 
Re: License to Kill

marke said:
It is up to individuals whether they commit murder or not.
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Murder is a legal term. Abortion is not murder.
 
Re: License to Kill

weaver2 said:
Marke, you and your wife can procreate as many progeny as you want, even though 8 kids may not be the best decision for you, your wife, the environment or the kids themselves. You have that right. You use it. You produce all the kids you want and nobody is carrying signs and screaming, "sinner" at you for popping out babies in factory line production. Why is it that you think you should be denying others their right to control their family. You are controlling your family the way you want even though there are many that think 8 kids is just plain irresponsible. So tell us, why is it you have rights and others don't. How come it's OK for you to be irresponsible but others irresponsibilities are sins against your God and must be stopped?
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I am not like wicked Germans who thought Germans were to be highly honored, protected and procreated but who thought Jews were not even human. I am also not like secularists who love women who have random sex but hate babies that might result. Unborn babies are human also. Killing babies in efforts to help mothers feel better about their circumstances is evil.
 
Re: License to Kill

year2late said:
Murder is a legal term. Abortion is not murder.
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Naked sinner standing before God at the White Throne Judgment in the end: 'Now there is where you are wrong, Lord. The dictionary clearly says abortion is not murder.'
 
Re: [W:344]License to Kill

weaver2 said:
All of that needs a lot more explanation in order for me to see what you are getting at. I know you are trying to say something about instinctual morality but it's not clear how you got to it's being objective.
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What is your understanding of the "survival instinct"?
 
Re: License to Kill

marke said:
Naked sinner standing before God at the White Throne Judgment in the end: 'Now there is where you are wrong, Lord. The dictionary clearly says abortion is not murder.'
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If you are going to anthropomorphize God you've got the scenario at the White Throne of Judgement all wrong. This is how it will go:

God asks a human standing before Him, "What did you do with your life" and the human says, "I generated 8 kids". God looks down and says, "We have an over population problem that is creating resource shortages, hunger, ignorance and war and you bring 8 more kids into the world? You're lucky I'm sending you to the barely acceptable section of heaven. One more kid and it would be straight to hell. Next!

God asks the next human standing before Him what he did with his life and he says, "my wife an I decided having more than 2 children was irresponsible but unfortunately she got pregnant for a 3rd time and got an abortion." And God says, "so, what's wrong with abortion?" And the human says, " I thought you said killing a fetus was a sin". And God says, "who told you that? I haven't forbidden it. It's not against anything in the Bible. Off you go to heaven and quit looking guilty because you aren't"
 
Re: License to Kill

year2late said:
Murder is a legal term. Abortion is not murder.
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Which gets us back on topic:

Angel said:
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1. Killing 50 million human beings with impunity constitutes a license to kill.
2. Abortion law since 1973 has allowed for the killing, with impunity, of 50 million human beings.
3. Therefore, abortion law constitutes a license to kill.
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Let me hear an Amen!
 
Re: License to Kill

weaver2 said:
If you are going to anthropomorphize God you've got the scenario at the White Throne of Judgement all wrong. This is how it will go:

God asks a human standing before Him, "What did you do with your life" and the human says, "I generated 8 kids". God looks down and says, "We have an over population problem that is creating resource shortages, hunger, ignorance and war and you bring 8 more kids into the world? You're lucky I'm sending you to the barely acceptable section of heaven. One more kid and it would be straight to hell. Next!

God asks the next human standing before Him what he did with his life and he says, "my wife an I decided having more than 2 children was irresponsible but unfortunately she got pregnant for a 3rd time and got an abortion." And God says, "so, what's wrong with abortion?" And the human says, " I thought you said killing a fetus was a sin". And God says, "who told you that? I haven't forbidden it. It's not against anything in the Bible. Off you go to heaven and quit looking guilty because you aren't"
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The Monty Python's Flying Circus version.
If you're of a different era and don't get the reference, as a you've claimed once before in reply to a post of mine, think SNL skit.
 
Re: License to Kill

Angel said:
Which gets us back on topic:

Angel said:
Have you not read the OP? There's an argument made there. Why are you posting in response to an OP you haven't read, or at any rate haven't read with understanding?

Here's the argument you missed:

1. Killing 50 million human beings with impunity constitutes a license to kill.
2. Abortion law since 1973 has allowed for the killing, with impunity, of 50 million human beings.
3. Therefore, abortion law constitutes a license to kill.
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Let me hear an Amen!
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Agreed lets get back to topic, that post fails over 1000 posts ago and was destoryed by me, facts and man other posters!


AGENT J said:
You just proved his point and that you made ZERO arguments LMAO
we all read it hence why we are mocking it

1.) nothing here constitutes a license to kill
2.) abortion is law is not impunity to kill
3.) see #1 and #2 therefore your op fails theres no logical arguments in it because facts prove it wrong :shrug:

Fact remains morals are subjective and abortion is not equal to a license to kill. Let us know when those facts change, thanks!
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AAAAAAMEN!!
 
Re: License to Kill

marke said:
Naked sinner standing before God at the White Throne Judgment in the end: 'Now there is where you are wrong, Lord. The dictionary clearly says abortion is not murder.'
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Apply your religion to yourself, please.
 
Re: [W:344]License to Kill

year2late said:
Pretentious about covers it.

The arguments always remind me of the coffee shop gatherings of philosophy students....they wax on philosophic while they jam up tables leading to coffee house staff losing out on desperately needed tips. They think they are impressive yet all others are just rolling their eyes and jamming earbuds as deep as they can go into their ears.
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I get the impression of a pretentious teen who has read but not understood any philosophy coming here with a false sense of superiority and having meltdowns when their "brilliance" is challenged
 
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Quag said:
I get the impression of a pretentious teen who has read but not understood any philosophy coming here with a false sense of superiority and having meltdowns when their "brilliance" is challenged
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He is allowed his beliefs, but does not seem to understand that others need not apply.
 
Re: License to Kill

Angel said:
The Monty Python's Flying Circus version.
If you're of a different era and don't get the reference, as a you've claimed once before in reply to a post of mine, think SNL skit.
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There are great truths in the Flying Circus.
 
Re: [W:344]License to Kill

year2late said:
He is allowed his beliefs, but does not seem to understand that others need not apply.
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I'm thrilled to hear that I'm "allowed" my beliefs, Madam. You too, I daresay. So what now? We're in a putative "debate" forum after all.
 
Re: License to Kill

weaver2 said:
There are great truths in the Flying Circus.
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Hardly. There's a great truth in the OP, however. Is your missing that related in some way to your finding "great truths in the Flying Circus," I wonder?
 
Re: License to Kill

Angel said:
Hardly. There's a great truth in the OP, however. Is your missing that related in some way to your finding "great truths in the Flying Circus," I wonder?
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Surely the "Dead Parrot" is great and true.
 
Re: [W:344]License to Kill

year2late said:
He is allowed his beliefs, but does not seem to understand that others need not apply.
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He isn't trying to force his beliefs on others he is trying to prove his beliefs are the correct ones, he fails every time
 
Re: [W:344]License to Kill

Angel said:
I'm thrilled to hear that I'm "allowed" my beliefs, Madam. You too, I daresay. So what now? We're in a putative "debate" forum after all.
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Ah let me simplify for you. You can believe what you want...but saying your beliefs out loud does not make them facts.
 
Re: License to Kill

marke said:
Naked sinner standing before God at the White Throne Judgment in the end: 'Now there is where you are wrong, Lord. The dictionary clearly says abortion is not murder.'
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Woman who aborted because she was working 3 jobs to feed, clothe and house her 3 born children standing before God:

God: You did your best, Jane, and were in a difficult position. You did nothing wrong. Welcome to Heaven.
 
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