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Pro lifers too judgemental

RetiredUSN said:
So, you want play like an adult, then you better have the maturity and resources to deal with the consequences.

I know it's perfectly fine with you that these young women raise kids on the taxpayer dole for the most part.
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So then you'd agree that abortion is a responsible option, if woman or couple are not financially or emotionally prepared to care for a child (or another child)?
 
OKgrannie said:
THE PRO-CHOICE ACTION NETWORK

>>Many anti-choice women are convinced that their need for abortion is unique -- not like those "other" women -- even though they have abortions for the same sorts of reasons. Anti-choice women often expect special treatment from clinic staff. Some demand an abortion immediately, wanting to skip important preliminaries such as taking a history or waiting for blood test results. Frequently, anti-abortion women will refuse counseling (such women are generally turned away or referred to an outside counselor because counseling at clinics is mandatory). Some women insist on sneaking in the back door and hiding in a room away from other patients. Others refuse to sit in the waiting room with women they call "sluts" and "trash." Or if they do, they get angry when other patients in the waiting room talk or laugh, because it proves to them that women get abortions casually, for "convenience".<<<
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Wow, they sound every bit as insufferable under duress as they are in their daily lives. Why are anti-choicers such miserable assholes?
 
Jesse Booth said:
That reference is a little obscure, Angel. Please clarify.
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That's Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner.
Wile E. Coyote (also known simply as "the Coyote") and the Road Runner are a duo of cartoon characters from the Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies series of cartoons. In each episode, the Coyote repeatedly attempts to catch and subsequently eat the Road Runner, a fast-running ground bird, but is never successful. Instead of his animal instincts, the Coyote uses absurdly complex contraptions (sometimes in the manner of Rube Goldberg) to try to catch his prey, which comically backfire, with the Coyote often getting injured in slapstick fashion. Many of the items for these contrivances are mail-ordered from a variety of companies that are all named Acme.
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Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner - Wikipedia
 
Jesse Booth said:
I know who Wiley Coyote and the Road Runner are. I meant the words superimposed on the image. What's the relevance of that part?
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Oh.

Wile E. Coyote:Roadrunner::pro-abortion argument:Truth (with a capital T)
 
Angel said:
Oh.

Wile E. Coyote:Roadrunner::pro-abortion argument:Truth (with a capital T)
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One cartoon animal is to another cartoon animal as an argument you dislike is to an argument you like ???????
 
weaver2 said:
One cartoon animal is to another cartoon animal as an argument you dislike is to an argument you like ???????
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More or less. It's an analogy after all. The point of comparison here is the failure of the pr-abortion argument to capture the Truth of abortion.
 
Angel said:
More or less. It's an analogy after all. The point of comparison here is the failure of the pr-abortion argument to capture the Truth of abortion.
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And the contrast between two philosophical beliefs is the same as contrasting two comical cartoon characters and shows how your dislike of the anti-abortion argument is the truth?
 
weaver2 said:
And the contrast between two philosophical beliefs is the same as contrasting two comical cartoon characters and shows how your dislike of the anti-abortion argument is the truth?
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The pro-abortion view is political and doesn't stand up to rigorous philosophical examination, but again yes, the analogy is to cartoon characters and the point of comparison is failure. Moreover, my "dislike" of the pro-abortion argument is based on my philosophical argument. And you seem to be overlooking the fact that the view I "like" is also characterized as a cartoon character. Again, it's an analogy, heuristic in nature. The way to discredit it is to show that the pro-abortion argument is not a failure.
 
Angel said:
The pro-abortion view is political and doesn't stand up to rigorous philosophical examination, but again yes, the analogy is to cartoon characters and the point of comparison is failure. Moreover, my "dislike" of the pro-abortion argument is based on my philosophical argument. And you seem to be overlooking the fact that the view I "like" is also characterized as a cartoon character. Again, it's an analogy, heuristic in nature. The way to discredit it is to show that the pro-abortion argument is not a failure.
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oh this is going to be super fun . . .

please tell us what the factual pro-abortion view is, thanks!


:popcorn2:
 
weaver2 said:
One cartoon animal is to another cartoon animal as an argument you dislike is to an argument you like ???????
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He's been known to depend on Disney parrots to support his arguments previously (see sig).

I think it speaks of poor ability to articulate one's own arguments...or a means to divert from them.
 
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Angel said:
The pro-abortion view is political and doesn't stand up to rigorous philosophical examination, .
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You have never ever once managed to prove this. Instead of talking 'about' it, why not actually prove it?

Suggestions:

--answer direct questions...directly.
--support personal philosophical opinions with those of published philosophers
 
SheWolf said:
I have been on this website for a few years reading pro life comments and attitudes towards unexpected pregnancies, and I went to high school with many pregnant teenage girls. I was recently thinking about a lot of pregnant teenage girls I went to high school, and all the judgement they went through.

One of my friends, I know for a fact, she was so ashamed, embarrassed, and felt like a failure for having a pregnancy. She hid her pregnancy for the longest time. She basically hid it until she was starting to show. When she finally went to the gynecologist, which was the first time in her whole life, the gynecologist said, "this is a mistake you can't undo."

She was really offended, and felt judged all the time.

I feel like there is way too much unhealthy judgement towards women and girls for simply having an unplanned pregnancy. I also feel the judgmental attitudes are far more common in pro life and religious people. A pro choice person tends to say, "it's your choice, and I respect your decision." A pro life person doesn't see an unplanned pregnancy that way. They probably view it as a huge tragedy and inconvenience (which is pro life language), and the pregnancy is just a consequence a girl has to deal with and has no choice about it.

What are your thoughts on this?
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You went to a high school with "many" teenage pregnancies? Many?
 
year2late said:
It is called taxes. And yes I would pay more if I knew we could assure proper healthcare for all Americans.

And charitable donation otherwise.

I regularly donate.

I used to regularly volunteer my time before I had a great deal of family (medical) issues.
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No, it's called taking cash out of your own pocket to help out the real live person next to you instead of leaving it to Caesar to maybe take care of it.
 
Bodhisattva said:
You went to a high school with "many" teenage pregnancies? Many?
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I would say that's pretty common, unless I'm misunderstanding you. Probably less common now than it was when I was in high school, although I hear in Red States teenage pregnancy is rampant.
 
Angel said:
The pro-abortion view is political and doesn't stand up to rigorous philosophical examination, but again yes, the analogy is to cartoon characters and the point of comparison is failure. Moreover, my "dislike" of the pro-abortion argument is based on my philosophical argument. And you seem to be overlooking the fact that the view I "like" is also characterized as a cartoon character. Again, it's an analogy, heuristic in nature. The way to discredit it is to show that the pro-abortion argument is not a failure.
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A heuristic technique (/hjʊəˈrɪstɪk/; Ancient Greek: εὑρίσκω, "find" or "discover"), often called simply a heuristic, is any approach to problem solving or self-discovery that employs a practical method that is not guaranteed to be optimal, perfect or rational, but instead sufficient for reaching an immediate goal. Where finding an optimal solution is impossible or impractical, heuristic methods can be used to speed up the process of finding a satisfactory solution. Heuristics can be mental shortcuts that ease the cognitive load of making a decision. Examples that employ heuristics include using trial and error, a rule of thumb, an educated guess, an intuitive judgment, a guesstimate, profiling, or common sense.
 
Angel said:
The pro-abortion view is political and doesn't stand up to rigorous philosophical examination, but again yes, the analogy is to cartoon characters and the point of comparison is failure. Moreover, my "dislike" of the pro-abortion argument is based on my philosophical argument. And you seem to be overlooking the fact that the view I "like" is also characterized as a cartoon character. Again, it's an analogy, heuristic in nature. The way to discredit it is to show that the pro-abortion argument is not a failure.
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So when is the rigorous philosophical examination going to start?
 
weaver2 said:
A heuristic technique (/hjʊəˈrɪstɪk/; Ancient Greek: εὑρίσκω, "find" or "discover"), often called simply a heuristic, is any approach to problem solving or self-discovery that employs a practical method that is not guaranteed to be optimal, perfect or rational, but instead sufficient for reaching an immediate goal. Where finding an optimal solution is impossible or impractical, heuristic methods can be used to speed up the process of finding a satisfactory solution. Heuristics can be mental shortcuts that ease the cognitive load of making a decision. Examples that employ heuristics include using trial and error, a rule of thumb, an educated guess, an intuitive judgment, a guesstimate, profiling, or common sense.
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You forgot the link. Next look up plagiarism. All analogies are heuristic. Funny that halfway down the page of the Wiki entry it mentions drawing a picture as heuristic.
 
Angel said:
You forgot the link. Next look up plagiarism. All analogies are heuristic. Funny that halfway down the page of the Wiki entry it mentions drawing a picture as heuristic.
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I did forget. I seldom do that. The structure and language of the article are much more elegant than I could be. The passage came from Wikipedia.
 
SheWolf said:
I have been on this website for a few years reading pro life comments and attitudes towards unexpected pregnancies, and I went to high school with many pregnant teenage girls. I was recently thinking about a lot of pregnant teenage girls I went to high school, and all the judgement they went through.

One of my friends, I know for a fact, she was so ashamed, embarrassed, and felt like a failure for having a pregnancy. She hid her pregnancy for the longest time. She basically hid it until she was starting to show. When she finally went to the gynecologist, which was the first time in her whole life, the gynecologist said, "this is a mistake you can't undo."

She was really offended, and felt judged all the time.

I feel like there is way too much unhealthy judgement towards women and girls for simply having an unplanned pregnancy. I also feel the judgmental attitudes are far more common in pro life and religious people. A pro choice person tends to say, "it's your choice, and I respect your decision." A pro life person doesn't see an unplanned pregnancy that way. They probably view it as a huge tragedy and inconvenience (which is pro life language), and the pregnancy is just a consequence a girl has to deal with and has no choice about it.

What are your thoughts on this?
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If you take an innocent life you deserve to be judged. Hypocritical to expect anyone to care about your feelings.
 
weaver2 said:
There were a lot of quickly planned marriages and robust preemies born in the days before legal abortion.
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All-in-one High School?
 
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