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What is the real goal of the anti-abortion movement?

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How can the preservation of the sanctity of the life of a fetus be the goal when:


In spite of the intense hatred and protest against women who get abortions there is no outcry against or ostracization of the anti-abortion men and women that make use of legal abortion services, which they do, at the same rate as the general public to end an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy. Additionally there is no record of any anti-abortion advocate uilitzing the movements preferred solution: adoption. Abortion is always the solution chosen by all anti-abortion women and men when faced with their, or a significant woman's unplanned and unwanted pregnancy.

So what is the actual goal if saving the fetus is not the goal?
 
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How can the preservation of the sanctity of the life of a fetus be the goal when:


In spite of the intense hatred and protest against women who get abortions there is no outcry against or ostracization of the anti-abortion men and women that make use of legal abortion services, which they do, at the same rate as the general public to end an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy. Additionally there is no record of any anti-abortion advocate uilitzing the movements preferred solution: adoption. Abortion is always the solution chosen by all anti-abortion women and men when faced with their, or a significant woman's unplanned and unwanted pregnancy.

So what is the actual goal if saving the fetus is not the goal?


The anti-abortion movement, started by men, run by men and funded by men, with the goal of protecting women accepts no organizational input from women except for public rallies where women are the majority participants, a propaganda maneuver suggesting most American women support the banning of legal abortion.

They don’t: 60% of all women think abortion should be legal for all or most cases. And 70% of child bearing aged women support legal abortion in all or most cases.


So if most women think they don't need protection from abortion what is the real goal of the anti-abortion movement
 
The anti-abortion movement, started by men, run by men and funded by men, with the goal of protecting women accepts no organizational input from women except for public rallies where women are the majority participants, a propaganda maneuver suggesting most American women support the banning of legal abortion.

They don’t: 60% of all women think abortion should be legal for all or most cases. And 70% of child bearing aged women support legal abortion in all or most cases.


So if most women think they don't need protection from abortion what is the real goal of the anti-abortion movement


The dishonesty of anti-abortion literature and images is appalling. Almost 100% of it is misleading or outright fiction, further deepening the hypocrisy of the movement and strengthening the suspicion that there is an unspoken agenda that has little to do with the sanctity of life.

So what it the actual goal if it isn't saving women from the horrors of abortion nor is it preserving the sanctity of fetal life or the distribution of accurate information about abortion?
 
You seem to be having a little conversation with yourself here mate so I’ll ah... I’ll leave you to it.

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How can the preservation of the sanctity of the life of a fetus be the goal when:

In spite of the intense hatred and protest against women who get abortions there is no outcry against or ostracization of the anti-abortion men and women that make use of legal abortion services, which they do, at the same rate as the general public to end an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy. Additionally there is no record of any anti-abortion advocate utilizing the movements preferred solution: adoption. Abortion is always the solution chosen by all anti-abortion women and men when faced with their, or a significant woman's unplanned and unwanted pregnancy.

So what is the actual goal if saving the fetus is not the goal?

My answer: total control of women's sexual and reproductive decisions. Although I'm not expecting any of the prolife guys to admit that anytime soon.
 
My answer: total control of women's sexual and reproductive decisions. Although I'm not expecting any of the pro-life guys to admit that anytime soon.

That is crystal clear every time someone says it was 100% the woman's fault for having sex in the first place; never mind the facts she was only 50% responsible for the decision to have sexual intercourse and most couples do it for other reasons with contraception.
 
That is crystal clear every time someone says it was 100% the woman's fault for having sex in the first place; never mind the facts she was only 50% responsible for the decision to have sexual intercourse and most couples do it for other reasons with contraception.

Conservative men blaming women for unwanted pregnancies because they didn't take proper precautions means women are also responsible for abortions. Thus, women become the sole guilty party leaving men free to take the moral high ground and make laws denying women the right to make decision on the grounds that they are too immoral or too irresponsible to make good decisions on their own. This does not bode well for women's equality.

It turns out that women are not the only guilty party in most unintended and unplanned pregnancies.


Current Contraceptive Status Among Women Aged 15–49: United States, 2015–2017; December 2018. Data from the 2015–2017 National Survey of Family Growth
64.9% of the 72.2 million women aged 15–49 in the United States were currently using contraception. At any given time 7.3 million women may not be using contraception for reasons such as seeking pregnancy, being pregnant, not being sexually active at all, or simply having sex without protection like the rhythm or withdrawal methods


The most common contraceptive methods currently used_____________________Failure rate of contraceptive method
18.6% of women use female sterilization as a contraceptive method ____________ .01%
12.6% use oral contraceptive pill _______________________________________ 8%
10.3 % use long-acting reversible contraceptives (two types)
Hormonal implants _________________________________________________ 6%
IUD _____________________________________________________________ .03%
8.7% of women rely on male condom use __________________________________ 18%
Unknown % use the rhythm and withdrawal method _________________________ 25%

Products - Data Briefs - Number 327 - December 2018
Failure rate:Contraceptive Effectiveness in the United States | Guttmacher Institute
Contraceptive failure in the United States

The math isn't difficult. 64.9% of 72.2 million women is 47M women using contraceptives; 8.7% or about 4M women rely on men using condoms. The 18% failure rate of condoms means that there will be about 700,000 unplanned pregnancies/year using condoms.
Withdrawal and rhythm methods are not female controlled methods of contraception. Nobody seems to have statistics on % of the population using these methods so the number of unplanned pregnancies resulting in their use is unknown.
Of the exclusively women controlled methods of contraception sterilization and iUDs contributed less much less than 1% to unplanned pregnancies.
Women using pills or implants led to a slightly higher number, roughly, 800,000 unplanned pregnancies.
That's a total of about 1,500,000 unintended pregnancies from known statistics . If 50% of unplanned pregnancies end in abortion then slightly less than 1/2 of all abortions are the result of men's condoms.

Anyone wanting to check my rounded off statistics, please feel free. The numbers came from the linked articles.
 
Conservative men blaming women for unwanted pregnancies because they didn't take proper precautions means women are also responsible for abortions. Thus, women become the sole guilty party leaving men free to take the moral high ground and make laws denying women the right to make decision on the grounds that they are too immoral or too irresponsible to make good decisions on their own. This does not bode well for women's equality.

Agreed. Also, I think a lot of conservative and/or religious men don't really believe in women's equality in the first place. Nor do they like the idea that women can reject the "traditional roles" of wife and mother by using contraception or abortion.
 
Agreed. Also, I think a lot of conservative and/or religious men don't really believe in women's equality in the first place. Nor do they like the idea that women can reject the "traditional roles" of wife and mother by using contraception or abortion.


It would certainly seem to be true that what are thought of collectively as the Abrahamic religions are deeply misogynist at their core. Even a cursory reading of their founding texts shows them to believe in a creator who thinks women are second class citizens of the planet, right from the get go. The thought of women engaging in normal, healthy and natural sexual relations is so abhorrent to those adherents, they could only imagine a savior being conceived by a virgin woman directly impregnated by some notion of the Divine.

Is it any wonder they feel the right to dictate what women can and can't do? Those men have convinced themselves that they rule by Divine Right.
 
It would certainly seem to be true that what are thought of collectively as the Abrahamic religions are deeply misogynist at their core. Even a cursory reading of their founding texts shows them to believe in a creator who thinks women are second class citizens of the planet, right from the get go. The thought of women engaging in normal, healthy and natural sexual relations is so abhorrent to those adherents, they could only imagine a savior being conceived by a virgin woman directly impregnated by some notion of the Divine.

Is it any wonder they feel the right to dictate what women can and can't do? Those men have convinced themselves that they rule by Divine Right.

I think you nailed it. I'm in complete agreement, on all points. :2wave:
 
It would certainly seem to be true that what are thought of collectively as the Abrahamic religions are deeply misogynist at their core. Even a cursory reading of their founding texts shows them to believe in a creator who thinks women are second class citizens of the planet, right from the get go. The thought of women engaging in normal, healthy and natural sexual relations is so abhorrent to those adherents, they could only imagine a savior being conceived by a virgin woman directly impregnated by some notion of the Divine.

Is it any wonder they feel the right to dictate what women can and can't do? Those men have convinced themselves that they rule by Divine Right.

The fact that the 2000 year old biblical designation of women as repulsive, unclean, unfit for association with men until rituals designed to reinforce their degradation have been fulfilled is a view held by a lot of men today. It is an attitude that hurts relationships, angers and saddens women and in the end hurts men also.

Somewhere around 3000 years ago Mediterranean culture rapidly and decisively denied power to all female Gods in favor of one punishing male God. It's been second class citizen ever since for women.
 
How can the preservation of the sanctity of the life of a fetus be the goal when:


In spite of the intense hatred and protest against women who get abortions there is no outcry against or ostracization of the anti-abortion men and women that make use of legal abortion services, which they do, at the same rate as the general public to end an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy. Additionally there is no record of any anti-abortion advocate uilitzing the movements preferred solution: adoption. Abortion is always the solution chosen by all anti-abortion women and men when faced with their, or a significant woman's unplanned and unwanted pregnancy.

So what is the actual goal if saving the fetus is not the goal?

Citations needed from unbiased sources.
 
The fact that the 2000 year old biblical designation of women as repulsive, unclean, unfit for association with men until rituals designed to reinforce their degradation have been fulfilled is a view held by a lot of men today

There is no such Biblical designation
 
I just finished reading Leviticus. There is no such Biblical designation as you described.

" No such Biblical designations"

Why am I not surprised.

I'd say try again but nobody finds what they don't want to see.
 
How can the preservation of the sanctity of the life of a fetus be the goal when:


In spite of the intense hatred and protest against women who get abortions there is no outcry against or ostracization of the anti-abortion men and women that make use of legal abortion services, which they do, at the same rate as the general public to end an unplanned and unwanted pregnancy. Additionally there is no record of any anti-abortion advocate uilitzing the movements preferred solution: adoption. Abortion is always the solution chosen by all anti-abortion women and men when faced with their, or a significant woman's unplanned and unwanted pregnancy.

So what is the actual goal if saving the fetus is not the goal?

yeah no
 
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