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over 45 million babies murdered in the name of "choice".

It's like clock work. Bad news about Trump and then abortion threads started all over the Internet. And guns threads too.

It's tough meeting today's litmus tests. Many of my Christian friends support Trump and likely any Republican because they consider all Democrats to be supporters of abortion.
I'm not one of them. As a devout Christian I don't support the act of abortion, and I would discourage having an abortion.
But since I support a democratic society and its freedoms, I support a woman's right to make her own decision regarding her ability to love and care for her unborn.
These positions make me seethe over the willingness of over 80% of evangelicals to support Trump while they overlook his unBiblical, hateful, spiteful and vicious actions.
How hypocritical can one be?
 
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Definitely not a fairy tale. And I think well-educated members here, like Lursa and minnie will back me up on this.




You are absolutely right. So small and delicate, they would come out looking something like this:

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This is baby Noah, a 10 week old stillborn. Just so you know what you are killing.

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In light of these disgusting, cruel and unusual facts, you should seriously take the time to re-evaluate your stance on abortion.

So how old is Baby Noah? Your text says 10 weeks old, the poster says 12 weeks, 5 days - & he miscarried.
 
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In some situations, It can act as an abortifacient. Point being, it works after the egg has been fertilized.

Since personhood starts at the moment of conception, this is equivalent to performing an abortion.

False , morning after pills cannot stop a fertilized egg from implanting nor does it cause a miscarriage/ abortion.

Here is a simple , short ( less than 3 minute) cute animated science video you-tube video explaing how Plan B delays ovulation , keeps fertilization from taking place and cannot cause a miscarriage/ abortion.


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The science of how Plan B works
 
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In some situations, It can act as an abortifacient. Point being, it works after the egg has been fertilized.

Since personhood starts at the moment of conception, this is equivalent to performing an abortion.

I know there must be a nice comfortable place where we can go to get away from this circulatory never-ending argument.
That somewhere is between the world of thought police mind control and the culture of "Do your own thing, anything that makes you happy"--which is today's America.
 
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Nah, Roe v. Wade holds that the fetus becomes a person (from a legal POV) when it is born, when it becomes a baby. Roe does recognize a viable fetus as meriting protection (except if the woman's life is in danger - but it's her choice), but that's as close as it gets.

If one is entitled to life liberty and the pursuit of happyness after birth, how would they ever get there if they were dead?

There are competing theories here. Many laws and statutes around the world view unborn children as a full person in certain criminal cases and situations.

At the end of the day, it's what the abortionists use to justify abortion and make it palatable for the American public.

Hitler (who would have been a liberal democrat if he could vote) did the same thing to the Jews during WWII
The democrats did the same thing to slaves during the times of legal slavery
Now the democrats are back at it with abortion.

There is a formula or a method to the madness here. Its actually very simple. You first strip the individual or persons down to a subhuman level.
a) Invalidate the humanity in the person or person group
2) Deny personhood to the group in question
3) Commence genocide, it's not like we are killing human beings, We call them parasites instead!
 
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In some situations, It can act as an abortifacient. Point being, it works after the egg has been fertilized.

Since personhood starts at the moment of conception, this is equivalent to performing an abortion.

Oh, since personhood does not start at conception, but instead at birth, being against the morning after pill seems illogical.

STD perhaps?

Dude, EVERYTHING has a consequence. That was the point. Some are good. Some are not good. That is life.


Conception can lead to Jesus and conception can lead to Hitler. "Conception" is just a stage of life.
 
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I know there must be a nice comfortable place where we can go to get away from this circulatory never-ending argument.
That somewhere is between the world of thought police mind control and the culture of "Do your own thing, anything that makes you happy"--which is today's America.

Yes, people are pretty much set in their ways. I can only present the truth. What anyone else does with it is up to them.

When morality is completely removed from society, which is exactly what the liberal democrats are trying to do, that will be the day America falls.

Believe it or not, that day is not to far off.
 
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There is a formula or a method to the madness here. Its actually very simple. You first strip the individual or persons down to a subhuman level.
a) Invalidate the humanity in the person or person group
2) Deny personhood to the group in question
3) Commence genocide, it's not like we are killing human beings, We call them parasites instead!

The zef is genetically human. Nobody is denying that.

It has never been a person in the history of your country or mine.

Abortion is not genocide. Please learn what genocide is.
 
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Yes, people are pretty much set in their ways. I can only present the truth. What anyone else does with it is up to them.

You are presenting your opinion... nothing more. To think that your opinion is the truth is delusional thinking.

When morality is completely removed from society, which is exactly what the liberal democrats are trying to do, that will be the day America falls.

Removing morality... like accepting gay people for who they are? Is that a good example and if not can you please give some? Thanks...

Believe it or not, that day is not to far off.

Yeah? Who is gonna take us out? China? Russia? ...or God?

Is it ICBM's or fire and brimstone?
 
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If one is entitled to life liberty and the pursuit of happyness after birth, how would they ever get there if they were dead?

There are competing theories here. Many laws and statutes around the world view unborn children as a full person in certain criminal cases and situations.

At the end of the day, it's what the abortionists use to justify abortion and make it palatable for the American public.

Hitler (who would have been a liberal democrat if he could vote) did the same thing to the Jews during WWII
The democrats did the same thing to slaves during the times of legal slavery
Now the democrats are back at it with abortion.

There is a formula or a method to the madness here. Its actually very simple. You first strip the individual or persons down to a subhuman level.
a) Invalidate the humanity in the person or person group
2) Deny personhood to the group in question
3) Commence genocide, it's not like we are killing human beings, We call them parasites instead!

Hitler to the Jews during WWII That is quite naïve. The Nazis were stripping Jews of their citizenship from 1933 CE or so on. & their rage fell upon homosexuals, Roma, captured POWs - especially officers; intellectuals, professors, writers, journalists, clergy - anyone who dared to disagree with them. This is Wikipedia's take on the matter:

"The European Jews were targeted for extermination as part of a larger event during the Holocaust era, usually defined as beginning in January 1933,[8] in which Germany and its collaborators persecuted and murdered other groups, including Slavs (chiefly ethnic Poles, Soviet civilians and Soviet prisoners of war), the Roma, the "incurably sick", political and religious dissidents, and gay men.[d] The death toll of these groups is thought to rise to 11 million.[3]"

(My emphasis - more @ The Holocaust - Wikipedia)

You really should get out more.

Many laws and statutes around the world view unborn children Neither British common law, nor US common law (we inherited theirs), nor Biblical ethics recognize the fetus as a person (from a legal POV). The Bible talks about ensoulment (perhaps?) @ quickening, which is later in the pregnancy.

justify abortion and make it palatable The same midwives & healers who knew how to ease birth also knew how to cause miscarriage (they likely didn't call it abortion). That knowledge is ancient, & long predates constitutions & Magna Cartas & so forth. In that sense, abortion was a possible option for a pregnant woman even in UK colonial times (in what later became the US). So there was no need to make abortion palatable to the US public - it was already here, & was already potentially an accepted part of life. Or you can look up the history of abortion - I'm surprised you're out here arguing cases without bothering to learn the history beforehand.
 
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Oh, since personhood does not start at conception, but instead at birth, being against the morning after pill seems illogical.

Dude, EVERYTHING has a consequence. That was the point. Some are good. Some are not good. That is life.

Conception can lead to Jesus and conception can lead to Hitler. "Conception" is just a stage of life.

What, are you now judging people before they are born? lol
 
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So how old is Baby Noah? Your text says 10 weeks old, the poster says 12 weeks, 5 days - & he miscarried.

Really? You are haggling over two week discrepancy?

Why don't you re - read it a couple times to let the POINT sink in! You are way of in left field.
 
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So how old is Baby Noah? Your text says 10 weeks old, the poster says 12 weeks, 5 days - & he miscarried.

Really? You are haggling over two week discrepancy?

Why don't you re - read it a couple times to let the POINT sink in! You are way of in left field.

2 weeks & & 5 days off - Do you always slop your way through these conversations? Are you truly surprised @ the outcomes?
 
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What, are you now judging people before they are born? lol

I didn't judge anybody, actually. I see that you have also moved away from the consequence argument.

Apparently you just want to do some preaching and not actually debate. :shrug:
 
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So how old is Baby Noah? Your text says 10 weeks old, the poster says 12 weeks, 5 days - & he miscarried.



2 weeks & & 5 days off - Do you always slop your way through these conversations? Are you truly surprised @ the outcomes?

Lets start over. Noah was a 12 week old stillborn baby. The picture demonstrates the fragility and innocence of an unborn child. So picture that (Noah)



And then picture this:
 
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Lets start over. Noah was a 12 week old stillborn baby. The picture demonstrates the fragility and innocence of an unborn child. So picture that (Noah)




And then picture this:


Well, good that you're getting closer to reality.

As for posting these pictures in bad taste - after we've seen beheadings, burnings alive, human suicide bombers, & on & on out of the Middle East & other places - Do you really think that showing us some blood is going to cut it? Metaphorical violence always loses to actual violence - there's a whole other quality to actual carnage.

So it's very sweet that you apparently think we're still shockable. After the horrors of the Holocaust & the Nazi killing spree throughout Europe, followed by the Communist killing sprees, the Cold War & the proxy fights between East & West, North & South - I'm sorry. I don't know that anyone in the World who actually paid attention then can still be shocked.
 
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Definitely not a fairy tale. And I think well-educated members here, like Lursa and minnie will back me up on this.

You are absolutely right. So small and delicate, they would come out looking something like this:

This is baby Noah, a 10 week old stillborn. Just so you know what you are killing.

In light of these disgusting, cruel and unusual facts, you should seriously take the time to re-evaluate your stance on abortion.

Another whole set of lies, fairy tales and many more lies

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The size of an actual size fetus.

Because your picture, which is even more dubious than you are says "12 weeks and 5 days fetus". How stupid can you be really to post something that has the actual age of the fetus and then lie about the gestational age. Really, just plain wrong.
 
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Another whole set of lies, fairy tales and many more lies

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The size of an actual size fetus.

Because your picture, which is even more dubious than you are says "12 weeks and 5 days fetus". How stupid can you be really to post something that has the actual age of the fetus and then lie about the gestational age. Really, just plain wrong.

What is it now? The smaller the fetus the easier it is to kill? lol

I will post this again to clear up any confusion.

Stillborn Baby Noah is what an unborn child looks like at approx 12 weeks.

Now imagine a doctor going into the womb with a pair of plyers and crushing his or her skull.

You know the head is crushed when a white liquid starts coming out then you know it's okay to start extracting the dismembered baby one arm or leg at a time.

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What is it now? The smaller the fetus the easier it is to kill? lol

I will post this again to clear up any confusion.

Stillborn Baby Noah is what an unborn child looks like at approx 12 weeks.

Now imagine a doctor going into the womb with a pair of plyers and crushing his or her skull.

You know the head is crushed when a white liquid starts coming out then you know it's okay to start extracting the dismembered baby one arm or leg at a time.

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great, more lies
 
And isn't that funny, it's always a story of hope and inspiration when someone goes pro life.

Seems like that's the way the conversions go anyway. Never from pro life to pro choice. I wonder why that is?

Not true. Check my past posts, from about 10 years ago on this topic. Prolife to prochoice.

I am still personally prolife. I would not have an abortion except for lifesaving circumstances because I have 2 other sons depending on me. Even if raped, my husband and I have already said we would care for any resulting child. Doesnt change that I think abortion should be legal for others to make that decision for themselves.

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What is it now? The smaller the fetus the easier it is to kill? lol

I will post this again to clear up any confusion.

Stillborn Baby Noah is what an unborn child looks like at approx 12 weeks.

Now imagine a doctor going into the womb with a pair of plyers and crushing his or her skull.

You know the head is crushed when a white liquid starts coming out then you know it's okay to start extracting the dismembered baby one arm or leg at a time.

Actually , in the United States the fetus is already dead by law before a D and E ( dismemberment) abortion begins.

Also D and E are not performed on a 12 week old fetus. 12 weeks is still the first trimester.

D and Es take place after the second trimester ( after 13 weeks ).

I just wanted to let you know that the vast majority of dismemberment abortions occur because the fetus was either non viable
or is severely malformed.


My friend's daughter-in-law had to have a dismemberment abortion because the fetus was non viable and would never live.

It's very sad but by using the dismemberment method the woman does not have to go through hours of painful labor and agony knowing the malformed fetus she delivers will never live.


I almost had to have my 20 week gestation fetus dismembered because it died within my womb.


I had two miscarriages between my 2 ed and 3rd child.
The first miscarriage was early on. I was about 5 to 6 weeks gestation.

During my 4th pregnancy I went into premature labor when I was about 5 months ( 20 weeks ) gestation.
My husband and I were looking forward to a healthy baby.

Our children ages 7 and 9 were looking forward to having a little brother or sister.

My doctor was out of town so when I went into early labor we ended up at the ER.
They took a pregnancy test and told me I was no longer pregnant.

The doctor covering for my doctor did not want to or could not come in To the hospital that day so they shot me full of med's to try to stop the labor.

I was scheduled to have a D and E abortion the next day to remove the dead fetus.
The kind of abortion where the fetus is dismembered.[/B%]


Then they took me to my room on the maternity floor to spend the night.
When I was transferring from the gurney to the bed the fetus was expelled and I accidentally saw my dead little one and how malformed it was.

My doctor told me that even if I had carried the pregnancy longer it never would have lived.
He told me the fetus was so malformed that pathology could not tell if the malformed fetus was a boy or girl.
 
Not true. Check my past posts, from about 10 years ago on this topic. Prolife to prochoice.

I am still personally prolife. I would not have an abortion except for lifesaving circumstances because I have 2 other sons depending on me. Even if raped, my husband and I have already said we would care for any resulting child. Doesnt change that I think abortion should be legal for others to make that decision for themselves.

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It was not until I got pregnant and faced several serious complications and surgery that lead me to be fully pro-choice. I may not ever have chosen to abort....but hell if I am going to decide for another woman. I was personally well resourced. A woman who chooses abortion usually does not have anywhere near the resources that I had.
 
Your sources are wrong



I just wanted everyone to know that Margeret Sanger was a socialist radical. A socialist radical started Planned Parenthood. Let that sink in for a minute.
Then maybe ask yourself is socialism is a traditional patriotic value held by our founding fathers. Who, by the way, voted overwhelmingly against slavery from the very beginning. It was once again the leftist radicals that broke tradition and started bringing slaves into our nation.

The term radical should NOT be taken lightly. Nor should the term socialism. Sanger was after a new race of superhumans and abortion has followed that path from the very beginning.

M. Sanger joined the US Socialist Party of NY, in spring 1911 (Margaret Sanger : a life of passion, Jean Baker, c2011, Hill & Wang). She resigned from the party sometime in June 1913, after an unsuccessful strike in New Jersey (same source). See also Woman of valor : Margaret Sanger, Ellen Chesler, c1992, Simon & Schuster.

Sanger was impatient, the Socialist Party was late even allowing women to join. She had no patience with Socialist utopian dreams, & the SP was much more concerned with working-class men, & empowering them politically, than it was with women & their reproductive future. She threw herself into family planning & birth control, & never looked back.
 
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I just wanted everyone to know that Margeret Sanger was a socialist radical. A socialist radical started Planned Parenthood. Let that sink in for a minute.
But the ignorance of your post does stay on top.

Then maybe ask yourself is socialism is a traditional patriotic value held by our founding fathers.
Can you quote Sanger advocating nationalizing the means of production? Do you even know what that means?
 
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