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over 45 million babies murdered in the name of "choice".

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Iron_Merc said:
Abortion is basically a blood sacrifice for the forces of darkness.

This is not my work, but I'm interested to hear your take on it. Have I gone too far? lol

- It has its sacred dogma ("choice"),
- its ruling hierarchy (Planned Parenthood),
- its theologians (feminist ideologues),
- its sacrificing priesthood (abortionists),
- its temples (abortion mills),
- altars (surgical tables),
- ritual victims (primarily babies and secondarily women),
- acolytes and sacristans (clinic workers and death-escorts),
- congregations (all supporters of abortion) and
- its own unifying principle of sacramental "grace" (money).

"In short, the abortion industry is a perfect demonic system which offers a perverse form of worship to the devil."

"The sacrificial victim in this demonic religion is not a brute animal as was offered to the Old Testament God of Israel in a legitimate system of religious sacrifices. In abortion, the victim is an innocent human being who is made in the 'image and likeness of God' and who can never defend herself."
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Riiiiiiight
 
Iron_Merc said:
Think about it this way. We have a group of adults who are actually defending the position that unborn babies have no rights. Say what? Our youth, our priceless youth, has not even the right to be born in some cases (abortion). The coldblooded nature of this ideological point of view is beyond words. These people have very cold hearts.
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AGENT J said:
Interesting, please list the factual rights of an unborn baby

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We are still waiting, please list the factual rights of an unborn baby. Should be be easy, you know since you claim its a fact, thanks!
 
Iron_Merc said:
I think statistically, the vast majority of abortions are done out of convenience?
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Please provide those factual "statistics" that support your "thoughts", thanks!




Who bets this is another question dodged and ran from again.
 
weaver2 said:
LOL. There you go with the non sequiturs. If the founding fathers had nothing to do with abortion then it doesn't follow that the anti-abortion movement is following their true vision.
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The founding fathers advocated for the preservation of life under all circumstances. Just because it was not a specific policy issue in 1776 does not mean we cant apply and / or interpret their ideology to issues of the present day. It's really about their moral character. Abortion advocates are in fact the radical ones. Just like the democrats were prior to the civil war.
 
Roe v. Wade, 1973

Iron_Merc said:
Think about it this way. We have a group of adults who are actually defending the position that unborn babies have no rights. Say what? Our youth, our priceless youth, has not even the right to be born in some cases (abortion). The coldblooded nature of this ideological point of view is beyond words. These people have very cold hearts.
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Nah, that's the Biblical POV, possibly Torah's, & English common law's POV (which also informed US common law). Abortion & self-inflicted miscarriage (before fetal quickening) used to be a misdemeanor in colonial times in the British colonies in what became the US. All this is known history, & perfectly available through the Internet or @ your local library.
 
FKD19124 said:
planned parent hood and the radical feminists have women believing that the unborn baby is not really a baby until it comes out of the mother.
so, thank you for wiping out a big segment of my generation and the ones after that.
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No we get that it's a baby. We just also get that it's not a person yet.
 
Iron_Merc said:
The founding fathers advocated for the preservation of life under all circumstances. Just because it was not a specific policy issue in 1776 does not mean we cant apply and / or interpret their ideology to issues of the present day. It's really about their moral character. Abortion advocates are in fact the radical ones. Just like the democrats were prior to the civil war.
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Uh....no they didn't. It was perfectly legal to kill a slave for any reason.


Oh.....you meant white people
 
Abortion is basically a blood sacrifice for the forces of darkness.

This is not my work, but I'm interested to hear your take on it. Have I gone too far? lol

- It has its sacred dogma ("choice"),
- its ruling hierarchy (Planned Parenthood),
- its theologians (feminist ideologues),
- its sacrificing priesthood (abortionists),
- its temples (abortion mills),
- altars (surgical tables),
- ritual victims (primarily babies and secondarily women),
- acolytes and sacristans (clinic workers and death-escorts),
- congregations (all supporters of abortion) and
- its own unifying principle of sacramental "grace" (money).

"In short, the abortion industry is a perfect demonic system which offers a perverse form of worship to the devil."

"The sacrificial victim in this demonic religion is not a brute animal as was offered to the Old Testament God of Israel in a legitimate system of religious sacrifices. In abortion, the victim is an innocent human being who is made in the 'image and likeness of God' and who can never defend herself."
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You didn't get it quite right. Let me fix it for you.

- It has its sacred dogma (John Calvin)
- its ruling hierarchy (Pastors and sheep),
- its theologians (Jerry Falwell, Paul Weyrich, Tammy Fey ),
- its sacrificing priesthood ( Televangelists),
- its temples (Mega-Churches),
- altars (the pastoral stage in front of the camera),
- ritual victims (women of child bearing age, nubile young teens and little boys) ,
- acolytes and sacristans (fundraisers),
- congregations (congregations of the easily let) and
- its own unifying principle of sacramental "grace" (money).

"In short, the evangelical industry is a perfect demonic system which offers a perverse form of worship to the devil."

"The sacrificial victim in this demonic religion is not a brute animal ; the victims are gullible human about whom God weeps, knowing He made such stupidity in His 'image and likeness '

There fixed it.
 
vegas giants said:
Convience is a great reason for an abortion. Or just because you feel like it
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Absolutely, any reason under the sun would work. You clearly no nothing of the sanctity of life.


AGENT J said:
Please provide those factual "statistics" that support your "thoughts", thanks!
Who bets this is another question dodged and ran from again.
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Check this out:
In 2004, a structured survey was completed by 1,209 abortion patients at 11 large providers, and in-depth interviews were conducted with 38 women at four sites. Bivariate analyses examined differences in the reasons for abortion across subgroups, and multivariate logistic regression models assessed associations between respondent characteristics and reported reasons.

RESULTS
The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents' or partners' desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.

Manc Skipper said:
If they're not born, then they're not babies. Is English your first language?

Come to think of it, you have to be a "person born" to even become an American.
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So the term unborn babies doesn't work for you either? And English is not my primary language.

AGENT J said:
We are still waiting, please list the factual rights of an unborn baby. Should be be easy, you know since you claim its a fact, thanks!
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Unborn babies have ZERO RIGHTS under United States law.
 
Iron_Merc said:
The founding fathers advocated for the preservation of life under all circumstances. Just because it was not a specific policy issue in 1776 does not mean we cant apply and / or interpret their ideology to issues of the present day. It's really about their moral character. Abortion advocates are in fact the radical ones. Just like the democrats were prior to the civil war.
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The Constitution does not anywhere advocate for the preservation of life under all circumstances. In fact abortion was quite acceptable in the 18the century up to the point of quickening.

There are intelligent and sane reasons to regulate abortion. You have articulated none of them.
 
Iron_Merc said:
Absolutely, any reason under the sun would work. You clearly no nothing of the sanctity of life.



Check this out:
In 2004, a structured survey was completed by 1,209 abortion patients at 11 large providers, and in-depth interviews were conducted with 38 women at four sites. Bivariate analyses examined differences in the reasons for abortion across subgroups, and multivariate logistic regression models assessed associations between respondent characteristics and reported reasons.

RESULTS
The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents' or partners' desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.


So the term unborn babies doesn't work for you either? And English is not my primary language.


Unborn babies have ZERO RIGHTS under United States law.
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Yep any reason works. In fact you dont have to give a reason at all.


Its great!!!
 
Bottom line? Planned Parenthood is very satanic in nature.
It serves the purposes of darkness to a tee.

How many liberal "democrats" out there agree that at least 45 million babies have been aborted since 1973?
 
The Founders were very very selective on that "pro life"

Iron_Merc said:
We live in a constitutional representative republic, not a democracy. We protect the interests of smaller religious groups and minorities. So their voices get heard too. Defending the pro life position, we are acting in kind with our Founding Fathers true vision for the nation. So it is in fact, your point of view that is extremist and fringe.

Never did the framers of this nation, in a million years, ever think that someday the constitution would be interpreted to grant mothers legal abortion. Not even the framers of the 14th amendment, when it was written had nothing to do with abortion.
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pro life for the Founding Fathers, unless, of course, one were not a wealthy male WASP of a favored church, or were Roman Catholic, or Black, or a woman, or so on. The early British colonizers in fact fell down on their knees & blessed the Lord for killing off those pesky Native Peoples wholesale, leaving their crops & fields for the civilized people.

& if a pregnant woman has an abortion, that doesn't make her a mother - unless she'd previously borne a child.

& of course, the smaller religious groups and minorities whose rights we are so concerned about - they're already born, they're already here in the World. US law doesn't confer rights upon anyone until they're physically in the World.
 
Iron_Merc said:
Bottom line? Planned Parenthood is very satanic in nature.
It serves the purposes of darkness to a tee.

How many liberal "democrats" out there agree that at least 45 million babies have been aborted since 1973?
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God I hope so
 
Iron_Merc said:
1.)Check this out:
In 2004, a structured survey was completed by 1,209 abortion patients at 11 large providers, and in-depth interviews were conducted with 38 women at four sites. Bivariate analyses examined differences in the reasons for abortion across subgroups, and multivariate logistic regression models assessed associations between respondent characteristics and reported reasons.
RESULTS
The reasons most frequently cited were that having a child would interfere with a woman's education, work or ability to care for dependents (74%); that she could not afford a baby now (73%); and that she did not want to be a single mother or was having relationship problems (48%). Nearly four in 10 women said they had completed their childbearing, and almost one-third were not ready to have a child. Fewer than 1% said their parents' or partners' desire for them to have an abortion was the most important reason. Younger women often reported that they were unprepared for the transition to motherhood, while older women regularly cited their responsibility to dependents.

2.)Unborn babies have ZERO RIGHTS under United States law.
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1.) Awesome so you just proved yourself wrong. In the future post more accurately and your false claims wont get exposed so bad.
2.) SO what were the rights you were talking about then? Seems you were mocking people for making the same claim you just made. Did you realize they were more honest and topically educated than you?
 
AGENT J said:
1.) Awesome so you just proved yourself wrong. In the future post more accurately and your false claims wont get exposed so bad.
2.) SO what were the rights you were talking about then? Seems you were mocking people for making the same claim you just made. Did you realize they were more honest and topically educated than you?
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How did I get exposed? I told you unborn babies have zero rights? This is true, is it not?

I am advocating against the killing of these unborn babies because a) abortion is murder, in Gods eyes.

I am also interested in getting unborn babies more rights so it's not as easy for the left to butcher them in the streets and then collect body parts as trophies.

ABSOLUTELY VILE! Welcome to the democratic party, we advocate for the killing of your offspring.
 
Iron_Merc said:
1.) How did I get exposed? I told you unborn babies have zero rights? This is true, is it not?
2.) I am advocating against the killing of these unborn babies because a) abortion is murder, in Gods eyes.
3.)I am also interested in getting unborn babies more rights so it's not as easy for the left to butcher them in the streets and then collect body parts as trophies.
4.) ABSOLUTELY VILE! Welcome to the democratic party, we advocate for the killing of your offspring.
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1.) easy you were mocking people that made that statement and now you are making it. No deflections needed.
2.) nope its only murder in your made subjective feelings and opinions you believe which is meaningless to reality
3.) your country sounds horrible you should come to the US. Here its already illegal to butcher them in the streets and collect body parts
4.) Why are you in that party in your country then? again if you can i hope you can come to the US
 
History clears its throat

Iron_Merc said:
The founding fathers advocated for the preservation of life under all circumstances. Just because it was not a specific policy issue in 1776 does not mean we cant apply and / or interpret their ideology to issues of the present day. It's really about their moral character. Abortion advocates are in fact the radical ones. Just like the democrats were prior to the civil war.
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TMK, all US presidents right up to Jackson were perfectly happy (eager, even) to displace the colonial & the inhabitants of the US Native Peoples further & further west, & to unwanted/unclaimed/worthless territories - @ least, until something useful or desirable was discovered on those same lands. & if they wouldn't go peacefully, then it was war, pestilence, starvation, exposure. Of course, the Native Peoples couldn't vote - nor could the vast majority of the colonists. It was only a relative handful of the wealthy WASP men (of the right denomination, to be sure) who could vote, hardly anyone else could.

So it was kinda force of habit that made the electors ignore the plight of ordinary people - they scarcely had to notice their own kith & kin, after all. What were a few far-off transient tenants to them? They were likely not Christians, nor likely to be able to read nor write. How could their opinion have any weight @ all?
 
Iron_Merc said:
We live in a constitutional representative republic, not a democracy. We protect the interests of smaller religious groups and minorities. So their voices get heard too. Defending the pro life position, we are acting in kind with our Founding Fathers true vision for the nation. So it is in fact, your point of view that is extremist and fringe.

Never did the framers of this nation, in a million years, ever think that someday the constitution would be interpreted to grant mothers legal abortion. Not even the framers of the 14th amendment, when it was written had nothing to do with abortion.
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You’re the one with the extremist fringe minority.
Poll: More Americans support Roe v. Wade now than in past 4 decades
“77% of Americans say the Supreme Court should uphold Roe v. Wade in some form, according to an NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist Poll released on Tuesday.”

That the founders didn’t envision the 14th Amendment protecting a woman’s right of choice isn’t relevant today, SCOTUS’ ruling is.
 
Not the one, nor the other

Iron_Merc said:
Bottom line? Planned Parenthood is very satanic in nature.
It serves the purposes of darkness to a tee.

How many liberal "democrats" out there agree that at least 45 million babies have been aborted since 1973?
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There are degrees of satanic? You should probably study the rise of Planned Parenthood, & the reasons for that rise. Whole families were trying & failing to thrive in urban tenements, crushed by poverty, poor &/or scanty food, no medical assistance, overwork, big families, & unhealthy conditions. Those tenements were perfect incubators for infectious diseases.

& babies aren't aborted.
 
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southwest88 said:
So it was kinda force of habit that made the electors ignore the plight of ordinary people - they scarcely had to notice their own kith & kin, after all. What were a few far-off transient tenants to them? They were likely not Christians, nor likely to be able to read nor write. How could their opinion have any weight @ all?
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George Washington had a vision from God for the future of the United States of America. Not joking.
Our first president was a Christian and I think that speaks for itself.
 
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southwest88 said:
There are degrees of satanic? You should probably study the rise of Planned Parenthood, & the reasons for that rise. Whole families were trying & failing to thrive in urban tenements, crushed by poverty, poor &/or scanty food, no medical assistance, overwork, big families, & unhealthy conditions. Those tenements were perfect incubators for infectious diseases.

& babies aren't aborted.
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*Unborn babies get aborted* Well over 50 million at this point. Do you think this number is accurate?

The rise of planned parenthood was fueled and motivated by pure evil, no doubt about that.

Right we get it, if the family is suffering from poverty the logical answer is abortion. LOL

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To all my disillusioned democrats,

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