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over 45 million babies murdered in the name of "choice".

maquiscat said:
Missed that. I tend to concentrate on the actual OP. My bad.

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The funny thing is that there is a poster that excuses lies in titles because he says they are clickbait....so apparently lying is ok then.:lamo
 
FKD19124 said:
anytime. I hope you die a miserable death in a nursing home.
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That is a little bit over the top FKD. Might you consider an apology?
 
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FKD19124 said:
planned parent hood and the radical feminists have women believing that the unborn baby is not really a baby until it comes out of the mother.
so, thank you for wiping out a big segment of my generation and the ones after that.
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Embryos and fetuses are not babies, and aborting them is not murder.
 
FKD19124 said:
planned parent hood and the radical feminists have women believing that the unborn baby is not really a baby until it comes out of the mother.
so, thank you for wiping out a big segment of my generation and the ones after that.
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And ignorant emotion driven reactionaries can’t stop women from exercising their right to dominion over their own bodies. Thank you SCOTUS. :thumbs:
 
FKD19124 said:
planned parent hood and the radical feminists have women believing that the unborn baby is not really a baby until it comes out of the mother.
so, thank you for wiping out a big segment of my generation and the ones after that.
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You’re welcome
 
FKD19124 said:
planned parent hood and the radical feminists have women believing that the unborn baby is not really a baby until it comes out of the mother.
so, thank you for wiping out a big segment of my generation and the ones after that.
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Planned Parenthood is not spreading stupid propaganda. If you think it is give some source for this claim. Radical feminists do not advertise their views on on anything in the media. Religious conservatives on the other hand buy bill board space, run advertisements in paper media and spend an inordinate amount of time on electronic media telling women lies and calling them terrible names as you have above. If you think this is not so, give proof that it is not.

As a matter of fact a fetus is not considered a "real baby" until it is born. Most sources will tell you this is true. The Bible doesn't regard a fetus as a human being until it is born. The law does not regard a fetus as a human being with rights until it is born. Medically an OBGYN doesn't call a fetus a human being until it is born.

There are many reasons to regulate abortion. Yours is not one of them. And next time before you accuse others of sins, look to your own actions first.
 
FKD19124 said:
planned parent hood and the radical feminists have women believing that the unborn baby is not really a baby until it comes out of the mother.
so, thank you for wiping out a big segment of my generation and the ones after that.
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Join date oct 2015 and you have 8 posts? LOL

anyway this will be fun, do you have a link factually showing 45 millions babies were murder by PP and radical feminists?
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FKD19124 said:
What is a person. Is an unborn baby not a person?
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Not based on legality a person as a legal construct has a definition
ZEFs are living at every stage, zygote, embryo, fetus and they are human (adj) at every stage. A fetus is a human (noun)
None of them are legal persons.
 
AGENT J said:
Not based on legality a person as a legal construct has a definition
ZEFs are living at every stage, zygote, embryo, fetus and they are human (adj) at every stage. A fetus is a human (noun)
None of them are legal persons.
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Think about it this way. We have a group of adults who are actually defending the position that unborn babies have no rights. Say what? Our youth, our priceless youth, has not even the right to be born in some cases (abortion). The coldblooded nature of this ideological point of view is beyond words. These people have very cold hearts.
 
Iron_Merc said:
Think about it this way. We have a group of adults who are actually defending the position that unborn babies have no rights. Say what? Our youth, our priceless youth, has not even the right to be born in some cases (abortion). The coldblooded nature of this ideological point of view is beyond words. These people have very cold hearts.
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And yet this point of view is held in every civilized country on the planet.


Do you realize what an extremist fringe opinion you have?
 
Iron_Merc said:
Think about it this way. We have a group of adults who are actually defending the position that unborn babies have no rights. Say what? Our youth, our priceless youth, has not even the right to be born in some cases (abortion). The coldblooded nature of this ideological point of view is beyond words. These people have very cold hearts.
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Interesting, please list the factual rights of an unborn baby

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Iron_Merc said:
Think about it this way. We have a group of adults who are actually defending the position that unborn babies have no rights. Say what? Our youth, our priceless youth, has not even the right to be born in some cases (abortion). The coldblooded nature of this ideological point of view is beyond words. These people have very cold hearts.
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Factually, everything AJ said is BS and he knows it.

As for a woman’s right to have dominion over her body is concerned, keep your hands off (metaphorically speaking). Your interpretation of religion and morality don’t have any place dictating to others.
 
vegas giants said:
And yet this point of view is held in every civilized country on the planet.


Do you realize what an extremist fringe opinion you have?
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We live in a constitutional representative republic, not a democracy. We protect the interests of smaller religious groups and minorities. So their voices get heard too. Defending the pro life position, we are acting in kind with our Founding Fathers true vision for the nation. So it is in fact, your point of view that is extremist and fringe.

Never did the framers of this nation, in a million years, ever think that someday the constitution would be interpreted to grant mothers legal abortion. Not even the framers of the 14th amendment, when it was written had nothing to do with abortion.
 
Iron_Merc said:
We live in a constitutional representative republic, not a democracy. We protect the interests of smaller religious groups and minorities. So their voices get heard too. Defending the pro life position, we are acting in kind with our Founding Fathers true vision for the nation. So it is in fact, your point of view that is extremist and fringe.

Never did the framers of this nation, in a million years, ever think that someday the constitution would be interpreted to grant mothers legal abortion. Not even the framers of the 14th amendment, when it was written had nothing to do with abortion.
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Well you certainly have an opinion.


Hete is a fact

Almost every country on earth has some form.of legal.abortion
 
Iron_Merc said:
....... Our youth, our priceless youth, has not even the right to be born in some cases (abortion). The coldblooded nature of this ideological point of view is beyond words. These people have very cold hearts.
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Most poor women get abortions because they know wages and financial support are so limited for their family and potential child that they will all remain in poverty for the rest of their lives. And who has kept wages so artificially low that a family cannot exist without help on what they earn? Republicans. Who has made life a living disaster by reducing aid to to the working poor? Republicans. In fact Trump bragged about fewer poor people receiving aide because his EO raised the limits and prevented hundreds of the working poor from getting aid.

Cold blooded? Priceless youth?
 
vegas giants said:
Well you certainly have an opinion.


Hete is a fact

Almost every country on earth has some form.of legal.abortion
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Abortion is basically a blood sacrifice for the forces of darkness.

This is not my work, but I'm interested to hear your take on it. Have I gone too far? lol

- It has its sacred dogma ("choice"),
- its ruling hierarchy (Planned Parenthood),
- its theologians (feminist ideologues),
- its sacrificing priesthood (abortionists),
- its temples (abortion mills),
- altars (surgical tables),
- ritual victims (primarily babies and secondarily women),
- acolytes and sacristans (clinic workers and death-escorts),
- congregations (all supporters of abortion) and
- its own unifying principle of sacramental "grace" (money).

"In short, the abortion industry is a perfect demonic system which offers a perverse form of worship to the devil."

"The sacrificial victim in this demonic religion is not a brute animal as was offered to the Old Testament God of Israel in a legitimate system of religious sacrifices. In abortion, the victim is an innocent human being who is made in the 'image and likeness of God' and who can never defend herself."
 
Iron_Merc said:
...... Defending the pro life position, we are acting in kind with our Founding Fathers true vision for the nation. So it is in fact, your point of view that is extremist and fringe.

Never did the framers of this nation, in a million years, ever think that someday the constitution would be interpreted to grant mothers legal abortion. Not even the framers of the 14th amendment, when it was written had nothing to do with abortion.
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LOL. There you go with the non sequiturs. If the founding fathers had nothing to do with abortion then it doesn't follow that the anti-abortion movement is following their true vision.
 
They weren't "babies", they weren't "murdered"

FKD19124 said:
planned parent hood and the radical feminists have women believing that the unborn baby is not really a baby until it comes out of the mother.
so, thank you for wiping out a big segment of my generation and the ones after that.
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No, not unless you were born in the 1870s or so. What you're missing is that there was already a tremendous demand for birth control information & devices & techniques. Margaret Sanger (who founded what became Planned Parenthood) was herself the middle child of a large Irish family. Her mother died young, of overwork, poor diet, too many children born too close together, not enough resources - as I recall, the diagnosis was consumption. Sanger herself was tubercular - again, poor diet, overwork, lack of medical attention.

Large families were a positive in a rural farm environment, but not in an urban tenement environment. Birthrates in the US dropped steadily from the 1870s on, as birth control information & techniques & devices became more available. That was largely due to work by Emma Goldman, M. Sanger (but Sanger wasn't really engaged in birth control work until the 1900s - somewhat later), & other leading lights of the Left in the US. But Sanger was the one who focused on the nuts & bolts of how to actually space out births in time, @ the family's or woman's desire, & getting that information into women's hands. Better temporal spacing usually meant better outcomes for the children & the parents, & the larger communities they were a part of.

Oh, & Sanger was very opposed to abortion - a point that we have to bring up a lot in these discussions. She thought if the woman didn't want to keep the child, that it should be delivered & put up for adoption.
 
Iron_Merc said:
Think about it this way. We have a group of adults who are actually defending the position that unborn babies have no rights. Say what? Our youth, our priceless youth, has not even the right to be born in some cases (abortion). The coldblooded nature of this ideological point of view is beyond words. These people have very cold hearts.
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If they're not born, then they're not babies. Is English your first language?

Come to think of it, you have to be a "person born" to even become an American.
 
Iron_Merc said:
Abortion is basically a blood sacrifice for the forces of darkness.

This is not my work, but I'm interested to hear your take on it. Have I gone too far? lol

- It has its sacred dogma ("choice"),
- its ruling hierarchy (Planned Parenthood),
- its theologians (feminist ideologues),
- its sacrificing priesthood (abortionists),
- its temples (abortion mills),
- altars (surgical tables),
- ritual victims (primarily babies and secondarily women),
- acolytes and sacristans (clinic workers and death-escorts),
- congregations (all supporters of abortion) and
- its own unifying principle of sacramental "grace" (money).

"In short, the abortion industry is a perfect demonic system which offers a perverse form of worship to the devil."

"The sacrificial victim in this demonic religion is not a brute animal as was offered to the Old Testament God of Israel in a legitimate system of religious sacrifices. In abortion, the victim is an innocent human being who is made in the 'image and likeness of God' and who can never defend herself."
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Yeah...its great! And it exists all over the world too!!!!
 
Not "murder"

FKD19124 said:
What is a person. Is an unborn baby not a person?
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In the Supreme Court holding of Roe v. Wade? No, a fetus (that's what it's called) is not a person, from a legal POV, until it is either born, or @ least viable.
 
weaver2 said:
Most poor women get abortions because they know wages and financial support are so limited for their family and potential child that they will all remain in poverty for the rest of their lives. And who has kept wages so artificially low that a family cannot exist without help on what they earn? Republicans. Who has made life a living disaster by reducing aid to to the working poor? Republicans. In fact Trump bragged about fewer poor people receiving aide because his EO raised the limits and prevented hundreds of the working poor from getting aid.

Cold blooded? Priceless youth?
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I think statistically, the vast majority of abortions are done out of convenience? In my mind, there is no reason why poverty justifies the killing of unborn babies. It almost seems like a cop out. A broke baby is always happier than an aborted baby. Just like you are happy to be alive yet you advocate for abortion. Do you see the paradox here?
 
Iron_Merc said:
I think statistically, the vast majority of abortions are done out of convenience? In my mind, there is no reason why poverty justifies the killing of unborn babies. It almost seems like a cop out. A broke baby is always happier than an aborted baby. Just like you are happy to be alive yet you advocate for abortion. Do you see the paradox here?
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Convience is a great reason for an abortion. Or just because you feel like it
 
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