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2246 preserved fetal remains found in abortionist's garage

Don't you understand debating? You put forth a theory or premise and then back it up with evidence or sources.

So far I have heard you make the statement that abortion takes out bad people and everything evens out in the end

This is all well and good, but you do understand, no matter how rudimentary your thesis might be, you must provide evidence if you want to be taken seriously?
 
Don't you understand debating? You put forth a theory or premise and then back it up with evidence or sources.

So far I have heard you make the statement that abortion takes out bad people and everything evens out in the end

This is all well and good, but you do understand, no matter how rudimentary your thesis might be, you must provide evidence if you want to be taken seriously?
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The fact that you continue to ask proves my statements regarding your inability to apply the minimum adult comprehension for the discussion :mrgreen::
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Don't you understand debating? You put forth a theory or premise and then back it up with evidence or sources.

So far I have heard you make the statement that abortion takes out bad people and everything evens out in the end

This is all well and good, but you do understand, no matter how rudimentary your thesis might be, you must provide evidence if you want to be taken seriously?

Who is this directed at?
 
Who is this directed at?

Directed at Lursa. She has informed me that society basically "evens" out. For example, steve jobs is born, and on the flip side, abortion would then destroy a little hitler. Honestly, I don't know how this is possible. ITS AN UNKNOWABLE QUESTION. THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW what the baby is going to be like when he/she grows up. It's impossible to say. Therefore it should be thrown out as useful evidence. Since its impossible to say, there is no way planned parenthood would know who to kill and who to keep. Its unknowable and impossible and unproven.

Unless Lursa can step up and provide us with a basic procedure on how this so called "preemptive" strike against Hitlers little henchmen is going to play out.
 
Directed at Lursa. She has informed me that society basically "evens" out. For example, steve jobs is born, and on the flip side, abortion would then destroy a little hitler. Honestly, I don't know how this is possible. ITS AN UNKNOWABLE QUESTION. THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW what the baby is going to be like when he/she grows up. It's impossible to say. Therefore it should be thrown out as useful evidence. Since its impossible to say, there is no way planned parenthood would know who to kill and who to keep. Its unknowable and impossible and unproven.

Unless Lursa can step up and provide us with a basic procedure on how this so called "preemptive" strike against Hitlers little henchmen is going to play out.

Wake up,dude. It's already playing out. Abortion has been legal since 72. The future will be what it will be....legal abortion and all..better get used to it..
 
Wake up,dude. It's already playing out. Abortion has been legal since 72. The future will be what it will be....legal abortion and all..better get used to it..

So we don't know what we are missing so it doesn't matter (in terms of loss). That's the idea right? The future for abortion is infanticide. And its already come to our shores. Lets talk abortion quotas? Im going to be learning much more about planned parenthood over the next few weeks. That means more tough questions for your guys respond too!

I am liking the debate but lets try to keep it focused on the actual debating instead of insulting or railroading. Those things just serve no purpose, we need to be able to cut right through this stuff like butter - and that's how we get to the meat and potatoes of the argument.
 
So we don't know what we are missing so it doesn't matter (in terms of loss). That's the idea right? The future for abortion is infanticide. And its already come to our shores. Lets talk abortion quotas? Im going to be learning much more about planned parenthood over the next few weeks. That means more tough questions for your guys respond too!

I am liking the debate but lets try to keep it focused on the actual debating instead of insulting or railroading. Those things just serve no purpose, we need to be able to cut right through this stuff like butter - and that's how we get to the meat and potatoes of the argument.

Bullcrap.

Infancticide is murder. Abortion is legal. Legal infanticide Has not come to our shores. Stop lying.
 
Directed at Lursa. She has informed me that society basically "evens" out. For example, steve jobs is born, and on the flip side, abortion would then destroy a little hitler. Honestly, I don't know how this is possible. ITS AN UNKNOWABLE QUESTION. THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW what the baby is going to be like when he/she grows up. It's impossible to say. Therefore it should be thrown out as useful evidence. Since its impossible to say, there is no way planned parenthood would know who to kill and who to keep. Its unknowable and impossible and unproven.

Unless Lursa can step up and provide us with a basic procedure on how this so called "preemptive" strike against Hitlers little henchmen is going to play out.

I haven't seen her say that at all. She - and I - have said that it *could* have been a Hitler. And it's just as useless to say it could have been a Steve Jobs.
 
So we don't know what we are missing so it doesn't matter (in terms of loss). That's the idea right? The future for abortion is infanticide. And its already come to our shores. Lets talk abortion quotas? Im going to be learning much more about planned parenthood over the next few weeks. That means more tough questions for your guys respond too!

I am liking the debate but lets try to keep it focused on the actual debating instead of insulting or railroading. Those things just serve no purpose, we need to be able to cut right through this stuff like butter - and that's how we get to the meat and potatoes of the argument.


False.

Abortion is the ending of the pregnancy before birth.

infantcide is killing of an infant and that is against the law.

Any born infant with a heartbeat, breath, voluntary muscle mussel movement or even pulsation of the umbilical cord is a protected US citizen.

The Born Infants protection act of 2002 gives any born infant the legal protections of a United States citizen.

The Born-Alive Infants Protection Act of 2002 was enacted as an Act of Congress. It extends legal protection to an infant born alive after a failed attempt at induced abortion. It was signed by President G. Bush

That law is the law of all of the States in the United States.

From wiki


Interpretation of the Bill

Defines
a "Born alive infant" as "Person, human being, Child, Individual".
Acknowledges human rights of any child born within the United States.


"Born Alive" is defined as the complete expulsion of an infant at any stage of development that has a heartbeat, pulsation of the umbilical cord, breath, or voluntary muscle movement, no matter if the umbilical cord has been cut or if the expulsion of the infant was natural, induced labor, cesarean section, or induced abortion.
 
So we don't know what we are missing so it doesn't matter (in terms of loss). That's the idea right? The future for abortion is infanticide. And its already come to our shores. Lets talk abortion quotas? Im going to be learning much more about planned parenthood over the next few weeks. That means more tough questions for your guys respond too!

I am liking the debate but lets try to keep it focused on the actual debating instead of insulting or railroading. Those things just serve no purpose, we need to be able to cut right through this stuff like butter - and that's how we get to the meat and potatoes of the argument.

Based on all of the blatant lies you've posted, your tribal political mentality, ( all things conservative good and defended---'all things liberal bad and bashed ).......I really don't think you're here for actual debate on abortion issues at all. All indications point to you wanting to use this platform to pontificate your agendas, insult anything from the left, and dispense misinformation and disinformation regarding matter of legal abortion. People will grow weary of this dishonest 'debating tactic', and will soon cease to respond to the lies and intellectual dishonesty. If you really want to discuss abortion based on facts, you need to admit right here and now abortion is NOT murder. Refusal to do so will most likely expedite the process of your propaganda being relegated to the back burner, sooner than later. You can either get with the program , or not. your call....
 
So we don't know what we are missing so it doesn't matter (in terms of loss). That's the idea right? The future for abortion is infanticide. And its already come to our shores. Lets talk abortion quotas? Im going to be learning much more about planned parenthood over the next few weeks. That means more tough questions for your guys respond too!

I am liking the debate but lets try to keep it focused on the actual debating instead of insulting or railroading. Those things just serve no purpose, we need to be able to cut right through this stuff like butter - and that's how we get to the meat and potatoes of the argument.

What, in your opinion, are the 'meat and potatoes' of the argument ?. By your own admission you've 'only been doing this three weeks' <---- ( your personal testimony ), and you have ZERO personal experience with PP. What makes you think you're qualified to decide what the ' meat and potatoes' of abortion debate are ? By your own admission, you have no real skin in the game, don't know squat about PP, and haven't even learned the most basic given when discussing matters of abortion.. Your personal knowledge on the topic is here ----> ( . ). The actual truth is way down that way -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->>>
 
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Unless Lursa can step up and provide us with a basic procedure on how this so called "preemptive" strike against Hitlers little henchmen is going to play out.

The fact that you have to ask proves my statements regarding your inability to apply the minimum adult comprehension for the discussion.
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So we don't know what we are missing so it doesn't matter (in terms of loss). That's the idea right?

Nope...that's not it. Just one more example of this:

The fact that you have to ask proves my statements regarding your inability to apply the minimum adult comprehension for the discussion.
 
What, in your opinion, are the 'meat and potatoes' of the argument ?. By your own admission you've 'only been doing this three weeks' <---- ( your personal testimony ), and you have ZERO personal experience with PP. What makes you think you're qualified to decide what the ' meat and potatoes' of abortion debate are ? By your own admission, you have no real skin in the game, don't know squat about PP, and haven't even learned the most basic given when discussing matters of abortion.. Your personal knowledge on the topic is here ----> ( . ). The actual truth is way down that way -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->>>

I've had matured opinions on planned parenthood for well over 10 years. I've just never been vocal about it. In terms of skin in the game, I protested at the abortion clinic this morning. Felt good to get out and do something meaningful with my time. When you connect with people and potential victims of abortion, because that's really what they are, it feels good. And according to another protestor, some of these potential victims are so grateful they went ahead with motherhood. Now I didn't have any direct interactions with potential victims but still felt good to get the word out and educate people on the destructive nature of abortion.

Abortion strips motherhood away from the mother
Abortion strips childhood from the baby
Abortion strips away a loving relationship between mother and child
Abortion strips morals away from the mother
Abortion desensitizes mothers to killing and death
Abortion kills over 1000 people per day
Abortion is the leading cause of death in the United States
Abortion is the leading cause of death worldwide
Abortion cheats society out of those who had a RIGHT TO LIFE
Abortion causes sadness and depression
ABORTION KILLS!

The Lie
Abortion providers sell this violent act as a “cure” to unintended pregnancies. Women and men are told the babies in the womb are not “persons” and that abortion does not kill a living human being. The same language that was used to discriminate against African Americans in the past is now being used to discriminate against unborn babies. Science, however, tells us that a unique, new human life begins at fertilization.

Abortion Terminology
Often the word “abortion” is never used by abortion advocates. Words and phrases like “choice” or “reproductive health” are used to sanitize the gruesome reality of abortion. Attempts to present factual information often leads to accusations of “misogyny” and waging a “War on Women.”
Enough with the word games and name calling.

The Truth
Abortion means a living human being who is preparing to be born will suffer a violent death.
The scientific field of embryology clearly shows that at fertilization, when a sperm fertilizes an ovum (also known as conception), the life of a human being begins. Embryology textbooks recognize this scientific fact.
Human life has been cheapened by abortion. When one of us is devalued, we are all devalued. All lives matter, born and unborn.

Hope For Tomorrow
Share the facts about abortion and teach and promote the preciousness of human life.
Care for and minister to those who are hurting from a past abortion.
Promote self respect and abstinence among young people.

Michigan Statistics
Black women had 12,789 of the 25,757 abortions performed on Michigan residents in 2017. (Of the total 26,594 reported abortions in Michigan in 2017, 837 were performed on non-residents and 25,757 were performed on residents).
While Black women make up only about 14% of Michigan’s female population, they had 50.6% of all abortions reported in the state in 2017.
96.2% of Black women having abortions are not married.
Black abortions by age:
Under 20 — 8.8%
20-24 — 31.1%
25-29 — 34.3%
30-34 — 15.8%
35 and Older — 10%

National Statistics
More than 19 million Black babies have been aborted since the 1973 Roe v. Wade U.S. Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in our country.
Black women have a significantly higher abortion rate than Whites and Hispanics.
36.0% of all abortions in the U.S. in 2014 were performed on Black women, however, only about 13.3% of the total population is Black .
African-Americans are no longer the nation’s largest minority group. Today, Hispanics have outpaced Blacks in population growth.
For every 1,000 live births, non-Hispanic Black women had 391 abortions. Non-Hispanic White women had 120 abortions per 1,000 live births.

Full source:
Black Abortion Statistics - Right to Life of Michigan
 
Abortions are legal.
There are no laws against preserving the remains of an abortion


Yes I think it's silly to cluck and shudder and act appalled over nothing. Save your energy for something that matters like all the kids separated from their parents, behind the bars of Trump's for profit incarceration centers and with limited basic services. How come there isn't any tsk-tsking over that? Oh, right Trump did it so its gotta be all good.

How did I know this was coming.....?
 
I've had matured opinions on planned parenthood for well over 10 years. I've just never been vocal about it. In terms of skin in the game, I protested at the abortion clinic this morning. Felt good to get out and do something meaningful with my time. When you connect with people and potential victims of abortion, because that's really what they are, it feels good. And according to another protestor, some of these potential victims are so grateful they went ahead with motherhood. Now I didn't have any direct interactions with potential victims but still felt good to get the word out and educate people on the destructive nature of abortion.

Abortion strips motherhood away from the mother
Abortion strips childhood from the baby
Abortion strips away a loving relationship between mother and child
Abortion strips morals away from the mother
Abortion desensitizes mothers to killing and death
Abortion kills over 1000 people per day
Abortion is the leading cause of death in the United States
Abortion is the leading cause of death worldwide
Abortion cheats society out of those who had a RIGHT TO LIFE
Abortion causes sadness and depression
ABORTION KILLS!

The Lie
Abortion providers sell this violent act as a “cure” to unintended pregnancies. Women and men are told the babies in the womb are not “persons” and that abortion does not kill a living human being. The same language that was used to discriminate against African Americans in the past is now being used to discriminate against unborn babies. Science, however, tells us that a unique, new human life begins at fertilization.

Abortion Terminology
Often the word “abortion” is never used by abortion advocates. Words and phrases like “choice” or “reproductive health” are used to sanitize the gruesome reality of abortion. Attempts to present factual information often leads to accusations of “misogyny” and waging a “War on Women.”
Enough with the word games and name calling.

The Truth
Abortion means a living human being who is preparing to be born will suffer a violent death.
The scientific field of embryology clearly shows that at fertilization, when a sperm fertilizes an ovum (also known as conception), the life of a human being begins. Embryology textbooks recognize this scientific fact.
Human life has been cheapened by abortion. When one of us is devalued, we are all devalued. All lives matter, born and unborn.

Hope For Tomorrow
Share the facts about abortion and teach and promote the preciousness of human life.
Care for and minister to those who are hurting from a past abortion.
Promote self respect and abstinence among young people.

Michigan Statistics
Black women had 12,789 of the 25,757 abortions performed on Michigan residents in 2017. (Of the total 26,594 reported abortions in Michigan in 2017, 837 were performed on non-residents and 25,757 were performed on residents).
While Black women make up only about 14% of Michigan’s female population, they had 50.6% of all abortions reported in the state in 2017.
96.2% of Black women having abortions are not married.
Black abortions by age:
Under 20 — 8.8%
20-24 — 31.1%
25-29 — 34.3%
30-34 — 15.8%
35 and Older — 10%

National Statistics
More than 19 million Black babies have been aborted since the 1973 Roe v. Wade U.S. Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in our country.
Black women have a significantly higher abortion rate than Whites and Hispanics.
36.0% of all abortions in the U.S. in 2014 were performed on Black women, however, only about 13.3% of the total population is Black .
African-Americans are no longer the nation’s largest minority group. Today, Hispanics have outpaced Blacks in population growth.
For every 1,000 live births, non-Hispanic Black women had 391 abortions. Non-Hispanic White women had 120 abortions per 1,000 live births.

Full source:
Black Abortion Statistics - Right to Life of Michigan

Women who seek abortions of their own accord are NOT 'victims.' That's an insult to women's intelligence all over the world, and an 'immature, uneducated, intentional lie.' ( your go-to 'debating' tactic ) Women seek out PP. Not vice-versa.
 
I've had matured opinions on planned parenthood

Bwahahahahah!


ABORTION KILLS!

Yup!

The Lie:human life begins at fertilization.
Yup!

Abortion Terminology:Enough with the word games and name calling.
Yup!

The Truth:All lives matter, born and unborn.
Yup!

Hope For Tomorrow:promote self respect.
Yup!

Michigan Statistics
National Statistics
Yup! Yup!


We agree. Ain't that grand!!!!
 
Why is there a new thread on this when it isnt "news"? It's an old tired story and I dont remember anyone ever mentioning or finding that there was any legal wrong-doing, as creepy as it was.

If anyone wants to do something besides bait and inflame...read the first pages here first.
 
Why is there a new thread on this when it isnt "news"? It's an old tired story and I dont remember anyone ever mentioning or finding that there was any legal wrong-doing, as creepy as it was.

If anyone wants to do something besides bait and inflame...read the first pages here first.

Well, said.
 
Not sure what the outrage is here. As a society, we all agree that the life of a fetus can be dismissed for any reason. The 'insult' isn't the preservation in jars, but that they were killed in the first place.
 
Why is there a new thread on this when it isnt "news"? It's an old tired story and I dont remember anyone ever mentioning or finding that there was any legal wrong-doing, as creepy as it was.

If anyone wants to do something besides bait and inflame...read the first pages here first.

What you've done here is bump this thread back to the first page of the forum. It's more than possible than someone who is not a habitué was unaware that a thread that went dormant in early October existed.

The headlines yesterday were that all the remains were now going to be buried. Beginning a new thread on this news is okay too.
 
What you've done here is bump this thread back to the first page of the forum. It's more than possible than someone who is not a habitué was unaware that a thread that went dormant in early October existed.

The headlines yesterday were that all the remains were now going to be buried. Beginning a new thread on this news is okay too.

I did it because the other thread was nothing but baiting and this one actually examined the event. It has actual discussions in it.

If inappropriate, my apologies.
 
I did it because the other thread was nothing but baiting and this one actually examined the event. It has actual discussions in it.

If inappropriate, my apologies.

All I meant to say is that ideally, before posting, an OP should check to see if there is an existing thread that should be updated, but here the thread was on page 4 of the forum and so very easily missed.
 
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