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2246 preserved fetal remains found in abortionist's garage

AGENT J said:
Wow the irony is thick in that post

every zygote embryo and fetus is human (adj)
every fetus is a human being (noun)

definitions, facts and all the medical science community agree on this

if you deny this you will be the first "seemingly real poster" in all my years on this board and on this planet to deny this fact
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^^ Pure horse ****. Everything you’ve said is 100% crap, and you probably know it is, which is why you provided zero proof of your nonsense.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
^^ Pure horse ****. Everything you’ve said is 100% crap, and you probably know it is, which is why you provided zero proof of your nonsense.
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LMAO
:lamo

sorry facts make you so angry but facts dont care about your feelings :shrug:

well ladies and gents we finally have the first "seemingly real" poster ever to deny the fact a fetus is a human being . . .Hilarious

your claims will be mocked by honest educated and objective prochoice and prolife people alike. Thanks for the entertainment!
 
AGENT J said:
:shock:
LMAO
:lamo

sorry facts make you so angry but facts dont care about your feelings :shrug:

well ladies and gents we finally have the first "seemingly real" poster ever to deny the fact a fetus is a human being . . .Hilarious

your claims will be mocked by honest educated and objective prochoice and prolife people alike. Thanks for the entertainment!
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You’re not talking facts, you’re talking ****. The definition of human has already been provided. It does not include fetuses. Deal with that fact.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
You’re not talking facts, you’re talking ****. The definition of human has already been provided. It does not include fetuses. Deal with that fact.
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Holy meltdown batman!!!

so you are saying that a fetus is not human (adj) nor is it a human (noun)?

LMAO this is awesome and hilarious. Please tell us more "facts"!


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AGENT J said:
Holy meltdown batman!!!

so you are saying that a fetus is not human (adj) nor is it a human (noun)?

LMAO this is awesome and hilarious. Please tell us more "facts"!


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You’re every bit as thick as Fletch.

Answer this question; If a fetus is a human, why doesn’t it have the same rights and legal protections as the rest of us humans? Only once the fetus has reached the stage of “viability”, meaning that it has developed sufficiently to survive outside of the mother’s body, is it then given protections.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
1.)You’re every bit as thick as Fletch.
2.)Answer this question; If a fetus is a human
3.) why doesn’t it have the same rights and legal protections as the rest of us humans?
4.) Only once the fetus has reached the stage of “viability”, meaning that it has developed sufficiently to survive outside of the mother’s body, is it then given protections.
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1.) oh no failed personal attacks, very telling. Why do facts make you so angry?
2.) absolutely 100% factually and scientifically yes they are
3.) because our legal rights and protections are NOT based on "human" they are based on being a legal person . Hence proving how monumentally uneducated you are on this topic.
4.) also factually false, a fetus can reach viability as early as 21 weeks (awaiting proper lung development) though highly unlikely it would actually survive since as late as 24 weeks is 50% viability. Which is also btw one of the things Roe Vs Wade is based one

ill ask you my question again since you ran from it
are saying that a fetus is not human (adj) nor is it a human (noun)?

wow this is hilarious, are there any other factually wrong claims you would like to make that we can correct and educate you on? , please let us know. Youre welcome!
 
AGENT J said:
1.) oh no failed personal attacks, very telling. Why do facts make you so angry?
2.) absolutely 100% factually and scientifically yes they are
3.) because our legal rights and protections are NOT based on "human" they are based on being a legal person . Hence proving how monumentally uneducated you are on this topic.
4.) also factually false, a fetus can reach viability as early as 21 weeks (awaiting proper lung development) though highly unlikely it would actually survive since as late as 24 weeks is 50% viability. Which is also btw one of the things Roe Vs Wade is based one

ill ask you my question again since you ran from it
are saying that a fetus is not human (adj) nor is it a human (noun)?

wow this is hilarious, are there any other factually wrong claims you would like to make that we can correct and educate you on? , please let us know. Youre welcome!
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1. Not a personal attack, an accurate observation/comparison. And facts don’t make me in the least unhappy, but they clearly do you based on childish responses.
2. Wrong and you’ve provided 0 proof otherwise.
3. A nonsensical argument. A “human” is a “person”. If fetuses were recognized as humans, that would mean that they are people and would enjoy the same rights and protections as you and me, but they aren’t, and they don’t.
4. Your comment does not contradict mine.

I’ve already provided the definition of human. You want more, look them up for yourself (and post any that include fetuses).

You’re lost and have no logical/legal argument. While I’ve provided multiple examples of proof, you’ve offered nothing but idiotic and childish snark and blather.

Post something in the form of actual proof that human fetuses should be called humans.
 
AGENT J said:
I think you missed the point, that example is just like the other examples so they are all "appeals to emotion and can be ignored" or they all matter . . .

to pick and choose exposes ones dishonesty, hypocrisy and or ignorance
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Did I ever used the appeal to emotion argument? If I did please feel free to point it out to me.

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RaleBulgarian said:
1. Not a personal attack, an accurate observation/comparison.
2.) And facts don’t make me in the least unhappy
3.) but they clearly do you based on childish responses.
4.) Wrong and you’ve provided 0 proof otherwise.
5. A nonsensical argument. A “human” is a “person”.
6.) If fetuses were recognized as humans, that would mean that they are people and would enjoy the same rights and protections as you and me, but they aren’t, and they don’t.
7.) Your comment does not contradict mine.
8.) I’ve already provided the definition of human.
9.) You want more, look them up for yourself (and post any that include fetuses).
10.) You’re lost and have no logical/legal argument.
11.) While I’ve provided multiple examples of proof, you’ve offered nothing but idiotic and childish snark and blather.
12.) Post something in the form of actual proof that human fetuses should be called humans.
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1.) nope just a failed personal attack
2.) thread history suggests otherwise
3.) another failed personal attack, see
4.) again facts and science dont care about your feelings.
5.) its not an argument its a fact, again your lack of understanding this fact is meaningless. it still remains true. Your rights and protections is based on you being a legal person NOT human. But i love you keep claiming otherwise proving how topically uneducated you are. are you even from the US to not know this stuff?
6.) wrong again, this keep getting better and better. They arent because they are not legal persons, it has nothing to do with being human. Corporations can be legal persons. LMAO
7.) not only does the fact i posted contradict your comment much to my delight it destroys it
8.) what YOU . THINK . . you provided is meaningless to facts, facts dont care about your feelings
9.) dont need to i understand the fact that a fetus is both human (adj) and a human (noun) .. . this fact wont change
10.) again nobody cares about your feelings and lies, facts remains true regardless of any meltdowns and temper tantrums you post
11.) you havent provided one single fact that makes your lies true . . not one thats what makes this so funny
12.) its already been done, facts definitions and scenic have already done this and its awesome. Hence why nobody agrees with you and you cant provided one fact saying otherwise.

ill ask you my question again since you keep dodging and running from it
are saying that a fetus is not human (adj) nor is it a human (noun)?

Fact remains a fetus is both human (adj) and a human (noun), if you have something that proves otherwise, by all means, post it, you cant
again please let us know if theres any other mistakes we can clear up for you, youre welcome!
 
Overitall said:
Did I ever used the appeal to emotion argument? If I did please feel free to point it out to me.

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did i ever say YOU did? if so feel free to point it out

thanks for proving my post factually right that you missed the point LMAO
 
nota bene said:
I've waited several days to see if anybody would begin a thread on this; because no one has, I will. Ulrich "George" Klopfer was Indiana's most "prolific" abortionist, and after his death on September 3rd and while cleaning out the garage, his wife found his "trophies."

Any number of sources--WaPo, the NY Times, pick a source--have reported on the grisly discovery. From USA Today:

There’s something sick in America’s abortion industry. What else would account for a doctor who collected thousands of dead babies in some kind of twisted hobby that he hid from his allegedly unsuspecting wife.

Two thousand two hundred and forty-six fetuses were found “medically preserved” in Ulrich Klopfer’s garage last week after he died on Sept. 3. And now the attorneys general of Illinois and Indiana are investigating how the human remains got from Klopfer’s network of Indiana abortion clinics to his rural Illinois home and what laws might have been violated.

Klopfer isn’t the only abortionist to enjoy keeping trophies of his grisly work close at hand. America’s most infamous baby killer, Kermit Gosnell, also kept fetal body parts in “milk jugs and glass jars” at his clinic in Philadelphia before he was convicted in 2013 on three counts of murder for snipping the spinal cords of babies born alive. Klopfer abortion tale links Gosnell and Buttigieg to fetal remains

Family of abortion doctor doesn’t know why fetal remains were in garage at Will County home, lawyer says - Chicago Tribune

From pro-life writer Alexandra Desanctis:

If his family had uncovered thousands or hundreds or even dozens of body parts from human adults, we’d witness wall-to-wall news coverage of the most notorious serial killer in history — and rightly so. Instead, because they are small and we are not, we will close our eyes. In a few days, most of us will forget. We will tell ourselves that Klopfer was a criminal and the rest are not, that abortion is sterile and sanitary while these were not, that the unborn don’t have bodies if we don’t have to look at them. Indiana Abortion Horror Reminds Us: Fetuses Are Human Beings | National Review
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The man was obviously disturbed. Are you attempting to make a connection between this sicko and pro choice?
 
AGENT J said:
1.) nope just a failed personal attack
2.) thread history suggests otherwise
3.) another failed personal attack, see
4.) again facts and science dont care about your feelings.
5.) its not an argument its a fact, again your lack of understanding this fact is meaningless. it still remains true. Your rights and protections is based on you being a legal person NOT human. But i love you keep claiming otherwise proving how topically uneducated you are. are you even from the US to not know this stuff?
6.) wrong again, this keep getting better and better. They arent because they are not legal persons, it has nothing to do with being human. Corporations can be legal persons. LMAO
7.) not only does the fact i posted contradict your comment much to my delight it destroys it
8.) what YOU . THINK . . you provided is meaningless to facts, facts dont care about your feelings
9.) dont need to i understand the fact that a fetus is both human (adj) and a human (noun) .. . this fact wont change
10.) again nobody cares about your feelings and lies, facts remains true regardless of any meltdowns and temper tantrums you post
11.) you havent provided one single fact that makes your lies true . . not one thats what makes this so funny
12.) its already been done, facts definitions and scenic have already done this and its awesome. Hence why nobody agrees with you and you cant provided one fact saying otherwise.

ill ask you my question again since you keep dodging and running from it
are saying that a fetus is not human (adj) nor is it a human (noun)?

Fact remains a fetus is both human (adj) and a human (noun), if you have something that proves otherwise, by all means, post it, you cant
again please let us know if theres any other mistakes we can clear up for you, youre welcome!
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And you continue to blather on, not proving anything other than you have nothing to support your wrong position, which makes sense.

human
noun [ C ]
UK /ˈhjuː.mən/ US /ˈhjuː.mən/
(also human being)

B1
a man, woman, or child:
No fetus, or even “human fetus”
HUMAN | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Legal definition of a human:
1 U.S. Code § 8. “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
1 U.S. Code SS 8 - “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
 
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Overitall said:
So, Minnie, if it (level of viability) might be lowered does that not put those previous abortions at that level a case of murder? It’s not the fetuses fault that the medical profession didn’t know how to keep it alive.
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Of course abortion is not at level of murder. Abortion has never been at the level of murder in the United States even when abortions were illegal in this country.

Laws are not Retroactive.

Roe determined that States may take a compelling interest and ban abortions at viability.

Also there are several states that do not ban abortions during any stage of a woman’s pregnancy.

Even so no elective abortions take place after 24 weeks in any state in the United States.

The skull is too large and too formed for a dismemberment abortion.
Also the fetus must be dead before contractions are started or the extraction of the fetus begins.
There are only 4 doctors in the United States who perform clinic abortions past 24 weeks.
They only perform them in extreme cases when the fetus is non viable ( already dead from natural causes, dying, or if it survived birth it will not live for more than a few minutes or hours.) or if irreparable damage to major bodily function would occur if the pregnancy continued.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
I haven’t tried to answer your question, I have answered your question. Try to pay closer attention.


Not sure if you’re trying to play semantic games or if you are simply obtuse.

Try to follow along; A human fetus isn’t yet a human. That’s why they’re appropriately called “human fetuses” and not “humans”.

Do you call a chicken egg a “chicken”? No, because it hasn’t yet fully developed and emerged from it’s shell.

I hope this helps you, because I don’t think it’s possible to dumb down the explanation any more.
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So when did you become a human. And please explain this transformation.
 
Fletch said:
So when did you become a human. And please explain this transformation.
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Sorry, as I’ve already said I can’t dumb down the answer anymore. Please find an adult where you’re at who can explain it to you.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
1.) And you continue to blather on, not proving anything other than you have nothing to support your wrong position, which makes sense.

human
noun [ C ]
UK /ˈhjuː.mən/ US /ˈhjuː.mən/
(also human being)

B1
a man, woman, or child:
No fetus, or even “human fetus”
HUMAN | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Legal definition of a human:
1 U.S. Code § 8. “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant
U.S. Code
Notes
prev next
(a) In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the words “person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual”, shall include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
1 U.S. Code SS 8 - “Person”, “human being”, “child”, and “individual” as including born-alive infant | U.S. Code | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
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1.) and here comes more anger over facts, i love it. I noticed you dodged my question AGAIN just like i said you would too

2.) AWESOME!!! this is going to be so much fun further destroying your topical ignorance

please tell us all what in the world you think you just posted that says that a fetus is not human (adj) nor is it a human (noun)
you dont even understand that some of what you posted proves you wrong and other parts have nothing to do with the discussion, its hilarious!
I cant wait to read this :popcorn2:
 
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RaleBulgarian said:
Sorry, as I’ve already said I can’t dumb down the answer anymore. Please find an adult where you’re at who can explain it to you.
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You are the only one making the argument that fetuses arent human. So maybe you are the one in need of an adult to explain things. Your argument isnt convincing in the least so you attack those who question it. You dont become human by being born. You are human long before that, and it is you who cant grasp that for some reason.
 
AGENT J said:
1.) and her comes more anger over facts, i love it. I noticed you dodged my question AGAIN just like i said you would too

2.) AWESOME!!! this is going to be so much fun further destroying your topical ignorance

please tell us all what in the world you think you just posted that says that a fetus is not human (adj) nor is it a human (noun)
you dont even understand that some of what you posted proves you wrong and other parts have nothing to do with the discussion, its hilarious!
I cant wait to read this :popcorn2:
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I was wrong. You’re thicker than Fletch. Even in the face of irrefutable proof, you continue talking out of your keister. If you have anything to back up your big mouth, please post it.
 
AGENT J said:
did i ever say YOU did? if so feel free to point it out

thanks for proving my post factually right that you missed the point LMAO
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Agent if I initially was responding to any point you made you might have a legitimate gripe but since I was responding to Minnie's post and pointing out how IT was an appeal to emotion and as such an invalid argument to make, well you're really floundering in the breeze. Please pay attention.

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Fletch said:
You are the only one making the argument that fetuses arent human. So maybe you are the one in need of an adult to explain things. Your argument isnt convincing in the least so you attack those who question it. You dont become human by being born. You are human long before that, and it is you who cant grasp that for some reason.
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Irrelevant if I’m the only one. I’m not saying there aren’t human fetuses, I’m saying that fetuses aren’t “humans”. The dictionary and our own federal government say the same.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
Irrelevant if I’m the only one. I’m not saying there aren’t human fetuses, I’m saying that fetuses aren’t “humans”. The dictionary and our own federal government say the same.
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Sooo human fetuses arent human?
 
RaleBulgarian;1070626246 said:
1.)I was wrong. You’re thicker than Fletch.
2.) Even in the face of irrefutable proof, you continue talking out of your keister. If you have anything to back up your big mouth, please post it.
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1.) and there it is, more personal attacks but nothing to support your claim. I wonder why? oh we all know why because its factually not true.
2.) do you think anybody is buying this posted lie? you havent provided one single shred of "irrefutable proof" . . not one shred. This is why i asked you to explain what you think you posted that changes the fact a fetus is both human (adj) and a human (noun) but instead of doing so . . just more hilarious meltdowns and personal attacks are posted . . . VERY telling

I knew that was going to be all we got

Fact remains
a fetus is both human (adj) and a human (noun)

please let us know when this fact changes, thanks!
 
Overitall said:
So, Minnie, if it (level of viability) .
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Sorry ,I just saw you used the term (level of viability) perhaps it was typo?

I used the term limit of viability in the post you quoted.

There is no term ( level of viability) that I am aware of.

Limit of viability describes the age of gestation when 50 percent of preemies survive birth( even when disabilities remain high )

I just wanted to make that clear. Thanks in advance.
 
Correction. I wasn't responding to Minnie's post. It was Scabahlic (sic).

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RaleBulgarian said:
The dictionary and our own federal government say the same.
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did you really just claim that?!?!?!?!?:shock:
this keeps getting better and better , i knew you had no idea what you posted or read, what a monumental fail . . wow

trying to desperately cherry pick or not the dictionary says the OPPOSITE

the government says when IT uses certain words in a LEGAL regard it is referring to BORN individuals it does NOT state anywhere that a fetus is NOT human in general. the government doesnt control what is human adj or noun.
Yep theres no way you are from the US, holy cow this is funny.
 
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