2246 preserved fetal remains found in abortionist's garage

nota bene · Sep 18, 2019

I've waited several days to see if anybody would begin a thread on this; because no one has, I will. Ulrich "George" Klopfer was Indiana's most "prolific" abortionist, and after his death on September 3rd and while cleaning out the garage, his wife found his "trophies."

Any number of sources--WaPo, the NY Times, pick a source--have reported on the grisly discovery. From USA Today:

There’s something sick in America’s abortion industry. What else would account for a doctor who collected thousands of dead babies in some kind of twisted hobby that he hid from his allegedly unsuspecting wife.

Two thousand two hundred and forty-six fetuses were found “medically preserved” in Ulrich Klopfer’s garage last week after he died on Sept. 3. And now the attorneys general of Illinois and Indiana are investigating how the human remains got from Klopfer’s network of Indiana abortion clinics to his rural Illinois home and what laws might have been violated.

Klopfer isn’t the only abortionist to enjoy keeping trophies of his grisly work close at hand. America’s most infamous baby killer, Kermit Gosnell, also kept fetal body parts in “milk jugs and glass jars” at his clinic in Philadelphia before he was convicted in 2013 on three counts of murder for snipping the spinal cords of babies born alive. Klopfer abortion tale links Gosnell and Buttigieg to fetal remains

Family of abortion doctor doesn’t know why fetal remains were in garage at Will County home, lawyer says - Chicago Tribune

From pro-life writer Alexandra Desanctis:

If his family had uncovered thousands or hundreds or even dozens of body parts from human adults, we’d witness wall-to-wall news coverage of the most notorious serial killer in history — and rightly so. Instead, because they are small and we are not, we will close our eyes. In a few days, most of us will forget. We will tell ourselves that Klopfer was a criminal and the rest are not, that abortion is sterile and sanitary while these were not, that the unborn don’t have bodies if we don’t have to look at them. Indiana Abortion Horror Reminds Us: Fetuses Are Human Beings | National Review

year2late · Sep 18, 2019

Already done.

Trophies?

NeverTrump · Sep 18, 2019

nota bene said:
I've waited several days to see if anybody would begin a thread on this; because no one has, I will. Ulrich "George" Klopfer was Indiana's most "prolific" abortionist, and after his death on September 3rd and while cleaning out the garage, his wife found his "trophies."

Any number of sources--WaPo, the NY Times, pick a source--have reported on the grisly discovery. From USA Today:

There’s something sick in America’s abortion industry. What else would account for a doctor who collected thousands of dead babies in some kind of twisted hobby that he hid from his allegedly unsuspecting wife.

Two thousand two hundred and forty-six fetuses were found “medically preserved” in Ulrich Klopfer’s garage last week after he died on Sept. 3. And now the attorneys general of Illinois and Indiana are investigating how the human remains got from Klopfer’s network of Indiana abortion clinics to his rural Illinois home and what laws might have been violated.

Klopfer isn’t the only abortionist to enjoy keeping trophies of his grisly work close at hand. America’s most infamous baby killer, Kermit Gosnell, also kept fetal body parts in “milk jugs and glass jars” at his clinic in Philadelphia before he was convicted in 2013 on three counts of murder for snipping the spinal cords of babies born alive. Klopfer abortion tale links Gosnell and Buttigieg to fetal remains

Family of abortion doctor doesn’t know why fetal remains were in garage at Will County home, lawyer says - Chicago Tribune

From pro-life writer Alexandra Desanctis:

If his family had uncovered thousands or hundreds or even dozens of body parts from human adults, we’d witness wall-to-wall news coverage of the most notorious serial killer in history — and rightly so. Instead, because they are small and we are not, we will close our eyes. In a few days, most of us will forget. We will tell ourselves that Klopfer was a criminal and the rest are not, that abortion is sterile and sanitary while these were not, that the unborn don’t have bodies if we don’t have to look at them. Indiana Abortion Horror Reminds Us: Fetuses Are Human Beings | National Review

maybe he was a secret conservative hoping to spare the unborn children from burial?

Cougarbear · Sep 18, 2019

NeverTrump said:
maybe he was a secret conservative hoping to spare the unborn children from burial?

You have a sick mind. You might want to know people's whose babies died still born or in the 3rd trimester have graveside burial services. It's quite common in Catholic traditions. And, their politics has nothing to do with that decision. It's purely religious. What is wrong with you?

Cougarbear · Sep 18, 2019

nota bene said:
I've waited several days to see if anybody would begin a thread on this; because no one has, I will. Ulrich "George" Klopfer was Indiana's most "prolific" abortionist, and after his death on September 3rd and while cleaning out the garage, his wife found his "trophies."

Any number of sources--WaPo, the NY Times, pick a source--have reported on the grisly discovery. From USA Today:

There’s something sick in America’s abortion industry. What else would account for a doctor who collected thousands of dead babies in some kind of twisted hobby that he hid from his allegedly unsuspecting wife.

Two thousand two hundred and forty-six fetuses were found “medically preserved” in Ulrich Klopfer’s garage last week after he died on Sept. 3. And now the attorneys general of Illinois and Indiana are investigating how the human remains got from Klopfer’s network of Indiana abortion clinics to his rural Illinois home and what laws might have been violated.

Klopfer isn’t the only abortionist to enjoy keeping trophies of his grisly work close at hand. America’s most infamous baby killer, Kermit Gosnell, also kept fetal body parts in “milk jugs and glass jars” at his clinic in Philadelphia before he was convicted in 2013 on three counts of murder for snipping the spinal cords of babies born alive. Klopfer abortion tale links Gosnell and Buttigieg to fetal remains

Family of abortion doctor doesn’t know why fetal remains were in garage at Will County home, lawyer says - Chicago Tribune

From pro-life writer Alexandra Desanctis:

If his family had uncovered thousands or hundreds or even dozens of body parts from human adults, we’d witness wall-to-wall news coverage of the most notorious serial killer in history — and rightly so. Instead, because they are small and we are not, we will close our eyes. In a few days, most of us will forget. We will tell ourselves that Klopfer was a criminal and the rest are not, that abortion is sterile and sanitary while these were not, that the unborn don’t have bodies if we don’t have to look at them. Indiana Abortion Horror Reminds Us: Fetuses Are Human Beings | National Review

I seriously doubt that the Supreme Court for Roe v. Wade had any of this in mind when they ruled the way they did. I'm sure they didn't imaging that there would be 60 million killed since that dark day.

NeverTrump · Sep 18, 2019

Cougarbear said:
You have a sick mind. You might want to know people's whose babies died still born or in the 3rd trimester have graveside burial services. It's quite common in Catholic traditions. And, their politics has nothing to do with that decision. It's purely religious. What is wrong with you?

And he could have been a secret conservative hero infiltrating the abortion place, and doing his best to preserve the babies so that god can bring them back to life!

Lursa · Sep 18, 2019

nota bene said:
From pro-life writer Alexandra Desanctis:

If his family had uncovered thousands or hundreds or even dozens of body parts from human adults, we’d witness wall-to-wall news coverage of the most notorious serial killer in history — and rightly so. Instead, because they are small and we are not, we will close our eyes. In a few days, most of us will forget. We will tell ourselves that Klopfer was a criminal and the rest are not, that abortion is sterile and sanitary while these were not, that the unborn don’t have bodies if we don’t have to look at them. Indiana Abortion Horror Reminds Us: Fetuses Are Human Beings | National Review

Well her bias certainly enabled her to assume some stupid stuff here.

I've yet to read why he kept the specimens...but there's no indication that any were illegally procured. Nor murdered.

So why the comparison to serial killers? Pure bias. It's not the same as serial murders keeping illegally killed trophies.

The author's bias blinds her and leads her to write dramatic hyperbole...emotional manipulation.

People who can consider abortion from a medical and factual basis dont imagine that there are no remains after the procedure...and we can also put it in perspective...97.5% of "remains" today would be pea-sized or smaller embryos/early fetuses that had been flushed painlessly from the womb. Not a whole lot there to add to a collection.

I'd be more interested in learning if/what percentage of the remains were late term...and then finding out why so many women were driven to late term abortions. You know...learning something USEFUL from this discovery.

Cougarbear · Sep 18, 2019

NeverTrump said:
And he could have been a secret conservative hero infiltrating the abortion place, and doing his best to preserve the babies so that god can bring them back to life!

You could be a human being impersonating a goat. What is wrong with you people?

Lursa · Sep 18, 2019

Cougarbear said:
I seriously doubt that the Supreme Court for Roe v. Wade had any of this in mind when they ruled the way they did. I'm sure they didn't imaging that there would be 60 million killed since that dark day.

If they believed their decision was correct and Constitutional, and I do believe that...why would the numbers matter?

Can you explain why the numbers matter at all? There's no shortage of people, so what is the reasoning?

More women, by far, choose to have their babies and the abortion rate goes down every year.

Cougarbear · Sep 18, 2019

Lursa said:
If they believed their decision was correct and Constitutional, and I do believe that...why would the numbers matter?

Can you explain why the numbers matter at all? There's no shortage of people, so what is the reasoning?

More women, by far, choose to have their babies and the abortion rate goes down every year.

Because in that time, men saw this as helping those who really had a crisis for them to want an abortion. Not for birth control. The sad part is that 60 million babies were butchered. And, there were 60 million wanting parents that would have adopted them.

Deuce · Sep 18, 2019

That dude had some issues.

Lursa · Sep 18, 2019

Cougarbear said:
Because in that time, men saw this as helping those who really had a crisis for them to want an abortion. Not for birth control. The sad part is that 60 million babies were butchered. And, there were 60 million wanting parents that would have adopted them.

Who says it's used for birth control? And what makes you think that the woman deciding to have the abortion doesnt have a crisis? Because of how you would judge her circumstances and her life? If that was someone's attitude, it's very unAmerican.

And there are/were not 60 million parents waiting to adopt them. That's just plain BS. There are over 100,000 children waiting to be adopted now...today, in the US. Where is the line to adopt them?

minnie616 · Sep 18, 2019

Cougarbear said:
Because in that time, men saw this as helping those who really had a crisis for them to want an abortion. Not for birth control. The sad part is that 60 million babies were butchered. And, there were 60 million wanting parents that would have adopted them.

No babies were killed.

Abortions have been taking place since early Greek days.
In fact in the early 1930s there were an estimated 800,000 abortions performed by doctors in the United States each year.

nota bene · Sep 19, 2019

Lursa said:
Well her bias certainly enabled her to assume some stupid stuff here.

I've yet to read why he kept the specimens...but there's no indication that any were illegally procured. Nor murdered.

So why the comparison to serial killers? Pure bias. It's not the same as serial murders keeping illegally killed trophies.

I'm sorry that you can't acknowledge the serial killer point she's making. But is she wrong when she says that if these were human adults, we would call someone who killed thousands a "serial killer"? Not everyone believes as you do that killing thousands of unborn humans through abortion is okay. Why is Klopfer storing medically preserved fetal remains in his garage okay?

Lursa said:
The author's bias blinds her and leads her to write dramatic hyperbole...emotional manipulation.

You don't like Desanctis's pro-life view, and so you describe her as blinded by bias. If you can't understand (whether you agree with her or not) why she drew the comparison as she did, I'd say that your own bias is blinding you. She must be "dramatic" and "hyperbolic" because you don't agree with her.

Lursa said:
People who can consider abortion from a medical and factual basis dont imagine that there are no remains after the procedure...and we can also put it in perspective...97.5% of "remains" today would be pea-sized or smaller embryos/early fetuses that had been flushed painlessly from the womb. Not a whole lot there to add to a collection.

Oh! So Desanctis is not considering abortion from a "factual" basis, and she's too unreasonable to realize that there are remains after abortions? :doh
And you think that what Klopfer stored were thousands of pea-sized fetuses? If so, how did his wife and legal authorities know exactly what they were?

Lursa said:
I'd be more interested in learning if/what percentage of the remains were late term...and then finding out why so many women were driven to late term abortions. You know...learning something USEFUL from this discovery.

And now you dismiss what Klopfer did as irrelevant because the discovery of thousands of fetal remains isn't "useful." Do you know whether transporting fetal remains is illegal? I do not, but I would call learning whether Klopfer broke the law "useful," not just to legal authorities but also to psychologists and psychiatrists. Why did Klopfer do this? Why didn't his wife know? Were laws broken? What could have been his point? Respect for the dead and not wishing for the remains to be incinerated or end up in a landfill?

minnie616 · Sep 19, 2019

nota bene said:
I'm sorry that you can't acknowledge the serial killer point she's making. But is she wrong when she says that if these were human adults, we would call someone who killed thousands a "serial killer"? Not everyone believes as you do that killing thousands of unborn humans through abortion is okay....

I agree with Lursa and I think her ( the author in the Article ) serial killer comparison is more than stupid.

It’s kind of like comparing ( but worse ) than comparing vets who euthanize sick pets as animal abusers .

Abortion is legal in the US even if you do not like it.

nota bene · Sep 19, 2019

minnie616 said:
I agree with Lursa and I think her ( the author in the Article ) serial killer comparison is more than stupid.

Considering this comparison must be very uncomfortable for you.

minnie616 said:
It’s kind of like comparing ( but worse ) than comparing vets who euthanize sick pets as animal abusers .

Unborn humans are generally not sick when aborted, and you know this. Humans are not comparable to cats, dogs, gerbils, rabbits, or parakeets.

minnie616 said:
Abortion is legal in the US even if you do not like it.

No, really? I had no idea that elective abortion is legal. :roll:

Obscurity · Sep 19, 2019

Cougarbear said:
You have a sick mind. You might want to know people's whose babies died still born or in the 3rd trimester have graveside burial services. It's quite common in Catholic traditions. And, their politics has nothing to do with that decision. It's purely religious. What is wrong with you?

Catholic Traditions also seem to include molestation and rape of children.

Why should I give a **** what they do?

weaver2 · Sep 19, 2019

nota bene said:
I've waited several days to see if anybody would begin a thread on this; because no one has, I will. Ulrich "George" Klopfer was Indiana's most "prolific" abortionist, and after his death on September 3rd and while cleaning out the garage, his wife found his "trophies."

Any number of sources--WaPo, the NY Times, pick a source--have reported on the grisly discovery. From USA Today:

There’s something sick in America’s abortion industry. What else would account for a doctor who collected thousands of dead babies in some kind of twisted hobby that he hid from his allegedly unsuspecting wife.

Two thousand two hundred and forty-six fetuses were found “medically preserved” in Ulrich Klopfer’s garage last week after he died on Sept. 3. And now the attorneys general of Illinois and Indiana are investigating how the human remains got from Klopfer’s network of Indiana abortion clinics to his rural Illinois home and what laws might have been violated.

Klopfer isn’t the only abortionist to enjoy keeping trophies of his grisly work close at hand. America’s most infamous baby killer, Kermit Gosnell, also kept fetal body parts in “milk jugs and glass jars” at his clinic in Philadelphia before he was convicted in 2013 on three counts of murder for snipping the spinal cords of babies born alive. Klopfer abortion tale links Gosnell and Buttigieg to fetal remains

Family of abortion doctor doesn’t know why fetal remains were in garage at Will County home, lawyer says - Chicago Tribune

From pro-life writer Alexandra Desanctis:

If his family had uncovered thousands or hundreds or even dozens of body parts from human adults, we’d witness wall-to-wall news coverage of the most notorious serial killer in history — and rightly so. Instead, because they are small and we are not, we will close our eyes. In a few days, most of us will forget. We will tell ourselves that Klopfer was a criminal and the rest are not, that abortion is sterile and sanitary while these were not, that the unborn don’t have bodies if we don’t have to look at them. Indiana Abortion Horror Reminds Us: Fetuses Are Human Beings | National Review

Why preserve the remains? Several possibilities:
They were being saved as some sort of legal evidence
He did not know what the legal disposal rules were and so simply preserved them rather than flush them.
He was saving them for use in medical schools.
He may have been conducting some sort of research on his own.
He may have been saving the preserved remains in case the family wanted them later on.
Or
He may have just been plain nutty.

In any case being crazy is not illegal and neither are any of the other possibilities. Other than the grizzly factor this isn't newsworthy.

Overitall · Sep 19, 2019

minnie616 said:
Abortion is legal in the US even if you do not like it.

Minnie you are aware that even RvW doesn’t agree with you. There are limitations. I think it hinges on viability and that status is changing.

RaleBulgarian · Sep 19, 2019

Cougarbear said:
I seriously doubt that the Supreme Court for Roe v. Wade had any of this in mind when they ruled the way they did. I'm sure they didn't imaging that there would be 60 million killed since that dark day.

Yeah, there’s no way that 9 highly intelligent and educated people could’ve possibly envisioned that women would exercise their Constitutional (and I’d say natural) right to choose what happens with their own bodies. :roll:

Josie · Sep 19, 2019

minnie616 said:
It’s kind of like comparing ( but worse ) than comparing vets who euthanize sick pets as animal abusers .

How? How is that comparable?

RaleBulgarian · Sep 19, 2019

nota bene said:
.... unborn humans ....

Making up terms does nothing to support your argument. Neither the medical community or law recognizes your faux term.

Josie · Sep 19, 2019

RaleBulgarian said:
Making up terms does nothing to support your argument. Neither the medical community or law recognizes your faux term.

Wait, wait, wait....the medical community says that two humans can create a fetus that isn't human?

The law doesn't recognize unborn humans as persons. It's science fiction that a pregnant woman has anything other than a human fetus inside of her.

minnie616 · Sep 19, 2019

nota bene said:
Considering this comparison must be very uncomfortable for you.

That comparison does make me uncomfortable in the least.
I have no idea even why you or any pro life person including the author of the comparison would think it would make anyone uncomfortable except maybe the pro life people who know what a ridiculous comparison the author was making.

Unborn humans are generally not sick when aborted, and you know this. Humans are not comparable to cats, dogs, gerbils, rabbits, or parakeets.

92 percent of abortions occur in the first trimester, long before an unborn is viable. Almost all other abortions are for medical reasons. Some unborns ( in fact 80 percent of those past 20 weeks ) who are aborted have Catastrophic fetal defects.

By the way I was not comparing unborns to pets. But I think you knew that.

No, really? I had no idea that elective abortion is legal. :roll:

No , that’s not what I said. I was acknowledging the fact that you do not /did not like the fact that abortion within the parameters of Roe is legal.

If I misjudged your feelings and you wish to keep Roe legal in the United States let me know and I will apologize and retract my statement that you don’t like the fact abortions before viability are legal here in the US.

Josie · Sep 19, 2019

weaver2 said:
Other than the grizzly factor this isn't newsworthy.

Over 2,000 dead human bodies found in a house and it isn't newsworthy? They're just like dead rats to you, aren't they?

2246 preserved fetal remains found in abortionist's garage

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