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2246 preserved fetal remains found in abortionist's garage

We've been over this. It doesnt matter what you would have wanted or 'who you believed you were'...and I've provided the support of my opinion more than once that you cannot and certainly are not entitled to (nor the govt) to assume the same for others.

Good lord, it's bold AND red now ^^^
My point of view for virtually all posting here is imagining myself on the receiving end of whatever it is:

In order to assess slavery, allow me to be slave and see what it's like, and whether I'd buy into it.

In order to assess Indian Reservations, allow me to live on one for a month and see if I'd move my family there.

In order to assess abortion, let me be aborted, then report back on what I think of it.

The people that wrote the laws for slavery could never have been slaves themselves. The lawmakers who established reservations don't live on them. The people who allow abortion could never be aborted.

How much easier is it to write a law about enslaving people, when one isn't going to be enslaved themselves?

How much easier is it to write a law allowing abortion, when one has no chance of being aborted?

It's a really simple pattern.

Repeat it all you want...your 'feelings' dont matter a bit to any women that dont believe the same...nor should you have any entitlement to force them on us. At least the govt recognizes this.
 
What is the source of our rights?

And dont bother with 'natural rights,' it's no more than just another philosophy and if it's not, please post the biology studies that prove animals have rights. Commonly, religious people try to use 'natural rights' as an end run around their religiuos arguments, since they know they cant use those in discussions regarding American law...but 'natural rights' are just another appeal to a higher authority.

No, natural rights are an appeal to the nature of man--what things are necessary for his survival as man. You can believe that without believing in a higher being.
 
No, natural rights are an appeal to the nature of man--what things are necessary for his survival as man. You can believe that without believing in a higher being.

They are still a man-made concept. They dont exist except as man chooses to imagine them and codify them and enforce them. Just like any other rights.

Otherwise, please prove their existence as 'inherent' in humans like other biological attributes.

And our laws are based on our rights as codified in the Constitution. "Natural rights" are a different belief and do not overrule the protections of the Constitution.
 
Reasons Women Get Abortions: The Statistics Aren't What You Expect - "99.31% of all abortions are therefore performed for social or economic reasons."

And? theres still nothing there that supports your claim. Even a biased link doesnt support you LMAO. Did you forget the nonsense you said?
here ill remind you

You have no clue what is American and un-American. And, to deny abortion isn't used for birth control is idiotic. Most abortions are for the purpose of selfish sexual desires. 99% of them are for the ending of a life for the purpose of personal prideful convenience. And, yes. They would have been adopted.

So here we are int he same spot, please support your claim above with one fact that makes titrue, thanks!
 
Reasons Women Get Abortions: The Statistics Aren't What You Expect - "99.31% of all abortions are therefore performed for social or economic reasons."

Actually in 2004 at least 12 percent and up to 25 percent of women had abortions for health reasons.

12 percent aborted for the woman’s health and
13 percent aborted because of possible fetal health reasons.

Do you think health is a social or economic reason?



TABLE 2. Percentage of women reporting that specified reasons contributed to their decision to have an abortion, 2004 and 1987 page 4

https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf
 
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Reasons Women Get Abortions: The Statistics Aren't What You Expect - "99.31% of all abortions are therefore performed for social or economic reasons."

Actually the quote is "therefore 99.31..."

They made an assumption what they believed they were for.

Yet they did not elaborate any further.

Social and Economic reasons. Here is a scenario.

A woman is working three part time non benefited jobs to barely make ends meet. She barely can afford her share rental and juggles the rest of her bills deciding between phone and water bills every month. She is too rich for Medicaid and too poor for insurance. Even a healthy pregnancy minimize her ability to support herself. If she stays pregnant she will be given emergency Medicaid - she may land in a county clinic that is overburdened and under resourced leading to long waits even with an appointment - that cuts into available shifts she is able to take. In addition if she loses her job...try getting unskilled labor while pregnant.

What they call "social and economic reasons" are likely very significant concerns of being able to support herself . Facing possible homelessness or living in a shelter - with or without pregnancy? Yeah...that is a social and economic reason that can affect her very life and well being.

I love a lot of the responses "if she doesn't want a baby she can adopt it out" that can occur on these threads. As if increased poverty during pregnancy is not a serious risk.
 
You have no clue what is American and un-American. And, to deny abortion isn't used for birth control is idiotic. Most abortions are for the purpose of selfish sexual desires. 99% of them are for the ending of a life for the purpose of personal prideful convenience. And, yes. They would have been adopted.



You aren't a woman, you've never been pregnant, your have no concept of the emotional and physical demands of pregnancy. You also have never been poor and pregnant. How would you know what financial demands there are on a pregnant woman that make an abortion the only choice for her and her family.

How do you know that 99% of abortions are ended for "personal prideful convenience"? You don't have any statistics, facts, articles, studies, anything that shows the reason for 99% of abortions. This is just angry, conservative, anti-woman, sexism talking..... and out of that anger comes the truth as you see it. Women get abortions because they are over-sexed, prideful and selfish.

And that's where discussions about abortion needs to start...... the attitude of anti-abortion males. Until that gets discussed the conversation about abortion is nothing more than a bunch of silly coverup stories about the rights of little unborn babies, DNA, C-sections and adoptions and phony concerns for women's emotional state.
 
You aren't a woman, you've never been pregnant, your have no concept of the emotional and physical demands of pregnancy. You also have never been poor and pregnant. How would you know what financial demands there are on a pregnant woman that make an abortion the only choice for her and her family.

How do you know that 99% of abortions are ended for "personal prideful convenience"? You don't have any statistics, facts, articles, studies, anything that shows the reason for 99% of abortions. This is just angry, conservative, anti-woman, sexism talking..... and out of that anger comes the truth as you see it. Women get abortions because they are over-sexed, prideful and selfish.

And that's where discussions about abortion needs to start...... the attitude of anti-abortion males. Until that gets discussed the conversation about abortion is nothing more than a bunch of silly coverup stories about the rights of little unborn babies, DNA, C-sections and adoptions and phony concerns for women's emotional state.
The stats that are out there indicate most women who choose abortion are of lower economic status that makes supporting oneself and keeping a roof over your head problematic. The stats out there say she is likely to have a child at home already....which ups the struggle and concern for that child.

Prideful convenience? People who say such things are ignorant to their reality --- or do not care since they will never face that reality.
 
I think what he's saying is: If Karma was real then most likely if you aborted your own baby then in your next (potential) life you likewise will be aborted. Thus ending any possibility of your own existence. And your feelings would not change that "truth."
 
Another weak, evasive response. You’re the one dodging and lying, repeatedly, from the beginning of the debate.

Factually, you have provided zero evidence to support your ignorant assumption. You just keep posting the above bolded nonsense sourced from your uninformed brain.

I have provided multiple supporting sources that 100% prove what I’ve been saying, human fetuses are not correctly identified as humans. Fetuses, or human fetuses, but not humans (singly).

SCOTUS has ruled that fetuses have no rights until the point in gestation when they become “viable”. If the fetuses had “human” status at any point prior to viability, terminating the pregnancy would be murder, but it isn’t because our judicial/legal system and Constitution grant no rights to fetuses, as it should be. Even the AMA does not refer to human fetuses/fetuses as “humans”.

Refresh your memory with my previous post that includes links to numerous sources that fully validate my point.
https://www.debatepolitics.com/abor...nd-abortionists-garage-22.html#post1070627924

If you want to continue to disagree at this point, stop **** talking and put up an actual argument with links to references supporting your belief.

The unborn don't have rights until birth. Viability does not confer rights, it's just the point when the state has a right to protect it. See Roe v. Wade Section 9a, and get your facts right before talking down to someone else.
 
I think what he's saying is: If Karma was real then most likely if you aborted your own baby then in your next (potential) life you likewise will be aborted. Thus ending any possibility of your own existence. And your feelings would not change that "truth."

Not exactly. He mentioned a hypothetical. If Karma existed it would not be so hypothetical.

As for feelings. He seemed to imply that lack of feeling meant it was ok to kill an innocent human being.
 
Not exactly. He mentioned a hypothetical. If Karma existed it would not be so hypothetical.

As for feelings. He seemed to imply that lack of feeling meant it was ok to kill an innocent human being.
I guess we're all going to have to wait for his return to set us all straight. Maybe he was talking about the weather.
 
The unborn don't have rights until birth. Viability does not confer rights, it's just the point when the state has a right to protect it. See Roe v. Wade Section 9a, and get your facts right before talking down to someone else.
My mistake in word choice. I know that a fetus, at any stage, doesn’t have rights, but at the point of viability can be protected by state laws.

As for the tone of my post, I make no apologies. The other poster I was addressing came at me first from a hostile posture and was flat out lying.
 
And? theres still nothing there that supports your claim. Even a biased link doesnt support you LMAO. Did you forget the nonsense you said?
here ill remind you



So here we are int he same spot, please support your claim above with one fact that makes titrue, thanks!

I gave it to you. You don't want to open it up, that's on you. See no good, hear no good, smell no good, feel no good. That's what is going on here.
 
I gave it to you. You don't want to open it up, that's on you. See no good, hear no good, smell no good, feel no good. That's what is going on here.

LMAO thats what I thought, you got caught making stuff up and now you lash out. Make up whatever lie you want theres nothing in it that makes YOUR claims factually true . . not one thing . .
heres your statement:

You have no clue what is American and un-American. And, to deny abortion isn't used for birth control is idiotic. Most abortions are for the purpose of selfish sexual desires. 99% of them are for the ending of a life for the purpose of personal prideful convenience. And, yes. They would have been adopted.

now ill ask you AGAIN, please post one fact that makes your claim truthful . . ONE . . . .you cant :shrug:
 
Actually in 2004 at least 12 percent and up to 25 percent of women had abortions for health reasons.

12 percent aborted for the woman’s health and
13 percent aborted because of possible fetal health reasons.

Do you think health is a social or economic reason?



TABLE 2. Percentage of women reporting that specified reasons contributed to their decision to have an abortion, 2004 and 1987 page 4

https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/pubs/psrh/full/3711005.pdf

Reasons Women Get Abortions: The Statistics Aren't What You Expect - Those stats you have included non-hard cases. It's 7% in those years but currently it's 0.84% in three states according to actual abortion clinics. I would say the others would agree with that today. And, even if it were 7%, that's not very much, is it. 93% would then be for social and economic reason. Or, as I would put it, birth control so the women could go out and have more fun at the expense of killing children. Who says women aren't capable of mass murders?
 
LMAO thats what I thought, you got caught making stuff up and now you lash out. Make up whatever lie you want theres nothing in it that makes YOUR claims factually true . . not one thing . .
heres your statement:



now ill ask you AGAIN, please post one fact that makes your claim truthful . . ONE . . . .you cant :shrug:

Others in here are actually showing studies on this subject. Some state higher stats on hard cases. But, still show the vast majority do it for pleasure and money. So, when are you going to actually chime in with references yourself instead of trolling?
 
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