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We Know the Cure for Poverty: The Empowerment of Women

Manc Skipper said:
You put "" around the word feelings, as if you "felt" the mother's opinion counted for nothing.
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Dont you know? The decisions women make regarding abortion in the best interests of their futures, their responsibilities to the children and other dependents they already have, keeping them safe and fed, their obligations and commitments to their employers, communities, society, etc...those are all just mere whimsy! :doh
 
Lursa said:
"If we value your feelings over women's lives, then we consider women trash. "

How does that sound? :roll:
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Let's say a woman will be an inconvenience to me in 9 months. She's going to be costing me time and money. Time I could spend on a career. Money I could spend on Delorean. Plus I have to feed her for 18 years. So in order to "unburden" myself, I kill her. My life was never in danger: Just my convenience.
 
Manc Skipper said:
You put "" around the word feelings, as if you "felt" the mother's opinion counted for nothing.
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You're on the right track. I don't give too much credence to non-mortal concerns of the mother, compared to mortal concerns of the fetus.
 
Rickeroo said:
Let's say a woman will be an inconvenience to me in 9 months. She's going to be costing me time and money. Time I could spend on a career. Money I could spend on Delorean. Plus I have to feed her for 18 years. So in order to "unburden" myself, I kill her. My life was never in danger: Just my convenience.
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Walk away.

Analogy fail :thumbdown
 
Iron_Merc said:
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And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. ....
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The story about John the Baptist is a very beautiful story.

You are referring to when The Virgin Mary visited her cousin Elizabeth and Elizabeth first felt the qickening ( the first kicks ) of her unborn son...John the Baptist.


About 15 to 20 percent of all known pregnacies ( where the woman is aware she is pregnant ) are miscarried before quickening.


From women in the Bible. Net:

Elizabeth's Story

The two pregnant women met, and at that moment Elizabeth's unborn baby responded by suddenly moving and kicking in her womb. Twenty-eight weeks, the end of a woman's second trimester, is the normal time to expect an unborn baby to kick in the womb, and this may well have been the first time Elizabeth's unborn baby moved - an exciting moment for any mother. She took this sudden movement, at this particular meeting, as a sign.
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Elizabeth’s world - Women In The Bible


ELIZABETH, John the Baptist's mother protected her cousin Mary

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Normal, natural occurances and explanations happen in the Bible ...

Elizabeth felt it was a miracle.

You have to remember Elizabeth and her husband were old and she was past the usual childbearing age and yet by what she felt was a mircle she was expecting.

She had to be very worried about her pregnancy and if everything was going well.
When she felt the kicking she must of been overjoyed and relived that all was well with her pregnancy.

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It tells their story in a novel form as a love story and gives us a peek into what life must have been like in the times that Mary and Joseph were growing up. Since no one has all the details and the Bible does not tell us all the details it is a novel but it also is wonderful story and so full of hope and love it gives us great hope for the future of mankind and womankind too.

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WCH said:
If you're talking about Blacks, it's been near genocide for them.

Regardless I stand by my statement.

Why Roe v. Wade is a travesty of constitutional law
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Guns have been near genocide for blacks, not abortion.

You can stand on your head for all that stupid partisan article matters.

So when are you going to answer the question....why are your little feelings more important than the rights and freedom of millions of women that you will never meet?
 
Moot said:
Guns have been near genocide for blacks, not abortion.
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Priorities.

You think guns kill people?

And abortion doesn't, why, because the fetus is "subhuman"?
 
Lursa said:
I've covered all this before. I gave you a list. Acting responsibly IS acting in a moral manner. The opposite would be for society to use govt force to make women remain pregnant against our will...which is completely immoral.

And I cant prove there something that doesnt exist. Since my claim is there are no negative effects on society from abortion...you have to provide them and prove me wrong. I said *society* not individual women. I wrote that every single time. If you want to dispute it...prove it.

And I read your comments on my signature the first time you wrote them. Reduce your screen resolution.
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Your signature is a little long but we will let it slide. Its only a little problem compared to your take on abortion.

Right, its immoral to not let you do whatever you want with your body. Absolutely brilliant! Your idea of morals is completely backwards, by the way.

So according to you, no women regret abortions? Is that your position on the matter? Try not to obfuscate.
 
Iron_Merc said:
Priorities.

You think guns kill people?

And abortion doesn't, why, because the fetus is "subhuman"?
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People with guns kill a lot more people than they would without them.

A fetus is half-formed human. It will never become a sentient being until after it's born and gasped it's first breath of life.
 
Obscurity said:
What a disgusting, grotesque comment.
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Sex without consequence is empowering? Killing without consequence empowering? Comments are mild compared to actions. Stacking mortal remains like cordwood in a basement is disgusting and grotesque. Selling body parts and profiteering from killing the innocent is disgusting and grotesque.
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Moot said:
People with guns kill a lot more people than they would without them.

A fetus is half-formed human. It will never become a sentient being until after it's born and gasped it's first breath of life.
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You do understand that the democrats in power, leading the charge for gun control don't care one iota about the lives being lost to gun violence, right?

Do you understand that taking guns away is exactly what Hitler did before he took power? Oh that's right, I almost forgot. a true liberal never looks back.

Nice attempt at dehumanizing unborn babies that is just cold blooded.

It would behoove you to do a little research on the culture war that is going on in America right now. Maybe try a news source that isn't 100% opposed to Trump. I can assure you, you don't want to be on the wrong side of history for this.
 
Iron_Merc said:
You do understand that the democrats in power, leading the charge for gun control don't care one iota about the lives being lost to gun violence, right?
Do you understand that taking guns away is exactly what Hitler did before he took power? Oh that's right, I almost forgot. a true liberal never looks back.

Nice attempt at dehumanizing unborn babies that is just cold blooded.

It would behoove you to do a little research on the culture war that is going on in America right now. Maybe try a news source that isn't 100% opposed to Trump. I can assure you, you don't want to be on the wrong side of history for this.
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Alex Jones...is that you?

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Eriech said:
Sex without consequence is empowering? Killing without consequence empowering? Comments are mild compared to actions. Stacking mortal remains like cordwood in a basement is disgusting and grotesque. Selling body parts and profiteering from killing the innocent is disgusting and grotesque. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190918/9d78ee7ab50ec71ac1b55fc089c61ded.jpg[IMG]

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Fetus porn...how titillating. :roll:
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Women are the future.
 
Iron_Merc said:
Right, its immoral to not lt you do whatever you want with your body. Absolutely brilliant! Your idea of morals is completely backwards, by the way.
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You didnt address this, the sarcasm didnt work:

The opposite would be for society to use govt force to make women remain pregnant against our will...which is completely immoral.​

Is the bold moral? I claim it is not, at all. If it is moral, please explain how.

So according to you, no women regret abortions? Is that your position on the matter? Try not to obfuscate.
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You are obfuscating. I asked about negative effects on society, not individual women. (And there is a ton of research out there that shows most women do not have long term regrets or harm from abortion). If you *choose* to make the argument that the individual women...who are proven as a group to NOT have long term issues from abortion...manage somehow to affect society negatively as a group...please source that.

I asked you to list the negative effects of abortion on society. You have not yet answered that. If you can make something out of your (proven inaccurate) claim about individual women's pain or regrets...feel free to do so.

Otherwise, it appears there are no negative effects on society.
 
Moot said:
Guns have been near genocide for blacks, not abortion.

You can stand on your head for all that stupid partisan article matters.

So when are you going to answer the question....why are your little feelings more important than the rights and freedom of millions of women that you will never meet?
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Wrong.

Abortion Killed 19 Times as Many Blacks as Murder

My "little" feelings are irrelevant here. We will all be judged in the end.
 
Lursa said:
True, and a woman knows that if she gets pregnant, she cannot escape consequences.

There are only 4 scenarios:

--she has a kid
--she miscarries
--she has an abortion
--she dies during pregnancy/childbirth

And she can die during the first 3 too. If people dont like the fact that they cant choose which consequence she deals with...that's too bad.

And abortion can be a very moral, responsible decision. There are no negative effects of abortion on society.
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And much like cancer it can be avoidable and minimized. Women are empowered to avoid pregnancy and thus abortion. And if they were doing so, it probably wouldnt be such a hot issue. Im not anti abortion. Im anti this idea that women dont have any choice in getting pregnant. That abortion empowers them.
 
Iron_Merc said:
And besides, there is NO NEED for abortion in general. Why not give the baby a chance through adoption?
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I am adopted. I would never inflict that on a child. What others do is not my business.

BTW, adoption is a parenting option, it is not a pregnancy option.
 
Iron_Merc said:
This should put things in perspective for you. By the way, the DNA of a fetus is different than that of the mother or father. So the idea that "I have a right to do whatever I want with my body" gets blown out of the water because a separate and distinct life form is living inside you.
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It's the woman's body that is sustaining it. It's HER body at risk. Do let us know when YOU can get pregnant and put YOUR body at risk, k?


Another thing, you don't have a right to do whatever you want with your body. For example, prostitution is illegal.
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It is not illegal to accept money for sex in my country.
 
Lursa said:
You didnt address this, the sarcasm didnt work:

The opposite would be for society to use govt force to make women remain pregnant against our will...which is completely immoral.​

Is the bold moral? I claim it is not, at all. If it is moral, please explain how.



You are obfuscating. I asked about negative effects on society, not individual women. (And there is a ton of research out there that shows most women do not have long term regrets or harm from abortion). If you *choose* to make the argument that the individual women...who are proven as a group to NOT have long term issues from abortion...manage somehow to affect society negatively as a group...please source that.

I asked you to list the negative effects of abortion on society. You have not yet answered that. If you can make something out of your (proven inaccurate) claim about individual women's pain or regrets...feel free to do so.

Otherwise, it appears there are no negative effects on society.
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You don't think the negative effects of abortion on women have ripple effect on society?
 
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