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Okay, so maybe they're finger food instead of deli cuts. It's still an appropriate and accurate pick for needlessly inflammatory language!

As long as there is a good pickle to go along with it I am good with it...
 
Yes...that of consenting adults to choose for themselves

99.986% choose to stay alive each year, including the 5 you mention.

I hope you dont believe that you nor the govt have the right to assume what individual people would choose?

Absolutely not. I think people have the right to end their lives. I also think a fetus has the right to grow up and ends its life if it wants to. I'm one of those fetuses that grew up and chose not to end their life. Lots of grown up fetuses choosing the same way I did, it would seem.
 
99.986% choose to stay alive each year, including the 5 you mention.


Absolutely not. I think people have the right to end their lives. I also think a fetus has the right to grow up and ends its life if it wants to. I'm one of those fetuses that grew up and chose not to end their life. Lots of grown up fetuses choosing the same way I did, it would seem.

Source your number please. We already know that you post specifically based on your personal choice.

And minors and other non-consenting persons have legal representatives that make decisions for them. The unborn isnt even legally a person but the mother is legally and morally entitled to make the right decision for them...just because you choose to reduce lives to dehumanizing numbers doesnt mean the rest of us do...her life has enormous significance to her and all her loved ones. The unborns'? Maybe not even to her. That is sad but reality and her moral choice affects everyone around her and even society.

(Yeah, you ignored this argument before too...)
 
I'll tell you one thing, nothing crisps my pickle like a sample platter of aborted fetuses!

Do you have all the requisite dipping sauces?
 
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And besides, there is NO NEED for abortion in general. ...

Adoption is not an alternative to abortion, it is alternative to not raising a child after the birth of a baby.

Only about 1 percent of United States women give their newborn up for adoption and many of those are special needs babies.

Adoption agencies will not even talk to pregnant woman until she is in her last trimester.
 
99.986% choose to stay alive each year, including the 5 you mention.



Absolutely not. I think people have the right to end their lives. I also think a fetus has the right to grow up and ends its life if it wants to. I'm one of those fetuses that grew up and chose not to end their life. Lots of grown up fetuses choosing the same way I did, it would seem.

Every fetus is choosing to grow up and end their life... by the mere fact that they chose to grow up initially in a woman's womb means that they are going to have their life ended if she chooses to do so. Don't like that then find another place to grow up during the early stages of life. :shrug:
 
That depends. If by requisite dipping sauces you mean a rather "heady" cheese sauce, then you'd be correct - I've always got a stash of that within easy reach!

I was thinking a pesto or balsamic vinegar or something... but cheese would work, especially for deep fried fetus.
 
Source your number please. We already know that you post specifically based on your personal choice.

And minors and other non-consenting persons have legal representatives that make decisions for them. The unborn isnt even legally a person but the mother is legally and morally entitled to make the right decision for them...just because you choose to reduce lives to dehumanizing numbers doesnt mean the rest of us do...her life has enormous significance to her and all her loved ones. The unborns'? Maybe not even to her. That is sad but reality and her moral choice affects everyone around her and even society.

(Yeah, you ignored this argument before too...)

Suicide stats here:

Suicide in the United States - Wikipedia

47,000 suicides in 2017 against a population of 320,000,000, which is 0.0146% of the population. I can't think of anything more dehumanizing than destroying a human life. Add to this the fact that people choose not to put themselves through that destruction. I mean, I'd understand if we had 60 million suicides a year, at least this way people would 'practice what they preach' with the abortion rate being 'wholesale' at 19%. But no one kills themselves in an abortion, and that's quite telling to me. Someone else gets killed. I guess because there's no social security number it makes it ok.

Alas, "I was unborn". No social security number or Roe v Wade required. No political force, indeed nothing that society can possibly come up with, will change that "I was unborn". And so was everyone reading this. 100%.
 
Suicide stats here:

Suicide in the United States - Wikipedia

47,000 suicides in 2017 against a population of 320,000,000, which is 0.0146% of the population. I can't think of anything more dehumanizing than destroying a human life. Add to this the fact that people choose not to put themselves through that destruction. I mean, I'd understand if we had 60 million suicides a year, at least this way people would 'practice what they preach' with the abortion rate being 'wholesale' at 19%. But no one kills themselves in an abortion, and that's quite telling to me. Someone else gets killed. I guess because there's no social security number it makes it ok.
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Suicide has zero to do with abortion. That you choose to make it so does not justify it and I dont recognize it as a credible argument. Suicide is about what happens to people IN LIFE and/or mental illness. It's not remotely related to abortion.

The reasons I gave are not generally 'suicide.' Unless you believe that choosing to sacrifice your life for your family or country, for examples, are suicide?

Just more inability to respond directly to my argument from you.
 
I was thinking a pesto or balsamic vinegar or something... but cheese would work, especially for deep fried fetus.

Not vinegar. That'll be too much, with the pickle. It needs something smooth and slightly tangy to go with how savory they are. Say, what about a jerked fetus sandwich? Might be hard to get enough fetuses for a meal of those, but with how tender they are, I think it'd make for a great combo!
 
Not vinegar. That'll be too much, with the pickle. It needs something smooth and slightly tangy to go with how savory they are. Say, what about a jerked fetus sandwich? Might be hard to get enough fetuses for a meal of those, but with how tender they are, I think it'd make for a great combo!

Had them in meatballs on noodles the other night... yum.
 
Had them in meatballs on noodles the other night... yum.

Ugh, no thanks. Italian food is the only thing more disgusting than Italian people. We should institute a mandatory abortion regulation on that god-forsaken peninsula to try and fix their annoying "existence" thing.
 
Ugh, no thanks. Italian food is the only thing more disgusting than Italian people. We should institute a mandatory abortion regulation on that god-forsaken peninsula to try and fix their annoying "existence" thing.

The only people worse than the Italians are the Icelanders... those people freak me out.
 
First off, that's literal bull**** and you should start checking your sources before buying into a blatant lie like that again. As for the rest of your post: prostitution should also be legal, but with enough social safety nets to keep people from being forced into it against their will, and the unique DNA in a fetus doesn't indicate personhood. A conjoined twin that's stuck inside of someone's abdomen might very well have its own unique DNA, but that doesn't mean that it's a person either.

Bull****! People are person's with personhood even when people person's are persons before other people who are persons get together with other people persons and copulate a person because that person reached personhood status as a member of people that are persons before they are created into this life on Earth.
 
The only people worse than the Italians are the Icelanders... those people freak me out.

Man, you wanna see some ****ed up Northern Europeans, look up the Grindadrap festival in the Faroe Islands. It's this insane whale slaughter celebration where a bunch of villagers drive hundreds of whales onto shore & hack their heads off. They don't even eat the whales, they just do it for tradition's sake.
 
Bull****! People are person's with personhood even when people person's are persons before other people who are persons get together with other people persons and copulate a person because that person reached personhood status as a member of people that are persons before they are created into this life on Earth.

o snap, u right

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Another thing, you don't have a right to do whatever you want with your body. For example, prostitution is illegal.

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You are confusing bodily autonomy with bodily integrity.

Bodily autonomy means a person has control over whom or what uses their body, for what, and for how long.

Bodily Autonomy is not limited in the United States. Your body’s body parts cannot be used by others without your concent.

Bodily integrity may be illegal and limited by law in the United States; such as prostitution, use of illegal drugs, seat belt laws, helmet laws etc.
 
Man, you wanna see some ****ed up Northern Europeans, look up the Grindadrap festival in the Faroe Islands. It's this insane whale slaughter celebration where a bunch of villagers drive hundreds of whales onto shore & hack their heads off. They don't even eat the whales, they just do it for tradition's sake.

There was this great show called Whale Wars on for years and they spent one season up there fighting against this... the Sea Shepard's were threatened by the local whale killing scumbags repeatedly and had to stop intruders from boarding their ship while in dock. It was kinda wacky... so yeah, I know about those assholes.
 

So the main problem I see is that you are incorrectly conflating the term privacy to mean "behavior" or "anything goes" These are two separate things. And not to mention, the term privacy implies an overarching code of conduct.

The definition of Privacy is:
the state or condition of being free from being observed or disturbed by other people.

The definition of privacy, therefore, does not imply you can do "anything" you want, We don't approve of anarchy, for example. We do not approve of prostitution, for example. In order to have a free and balanced society you must have an inherent code of conduct to keep the peace. The term privacy only indicates a condition of being free from observation.

Here is the 14 amendment:
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Now substitute the term "rights" for privileges
and substitute the term "freedoms" for immunities

If this is the portion that the justices used to deem abortion acceptable, well, than this decision (RvW) was not made in line or in harmony with the constitution. The 14th amendment is basically saying the government should and will not make a law which would compromise the freedoms or rights of US citizens. In my opinion, R vs W infringes on the god given right to life!

In fact, the ruling of Roe Vs Wade is diametrically opposed to the actual intent of the 14th amendment because it is a law which deprives persons the privilege of being born. This is an inalienable write as so eloquently summed up in the Declaration of Independence:

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" The phrase gives three examples of the "unalienable rights" which the Declaration says have been given to all humans by their creator, and which governments are created to protect.

Therefore the original intent of the Declaration of Independence and the 14th amendment is to protect "life" because it is an unalienable right, from the moment of conception "life" begins. Life in all forms must be preserved.

The Constitution says nothing about privacy, by the way.
 
So the main problem I see is that you are incorrectly conflating the term privacy to mean "behavior" or "anything goes" These are two separate things. And not to mention, the term privacy implies an overarching code of conduct.

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You are misinterpreting the meaning of right to privacy.

Right to privacy does not have the same meaning as privacy.

The right to religious beliefs is a right to privacy.

Other zones that are protected under right to privacy are marriage, procreation, abortion and child rearing.


I would also like to point out that several right to privacy precedents were set before Roe v Wade.
The more precedents, the harder it is to overturn a SC ruling.

It will be extremely hard to overturn Roe without also striking down the precedents of right to privacy cases before Roe including right to privacy regarding child rearing rights , such as the right for parents to send their children to private or religious schools instead of public schools.

The following Surpreme Court decisions would most likely would become dismantled if Roe v Wade were overturned and that is not going to happen.


Weems v. United States (1910)

In a case from the Philippines, the Supreme Court finds that the definition of "cruel and unusual punishment" is not limited to what the authors of the Constitution understood under that concept.

Meyer v. Nebraska (1923)

A case ruling that parents may decide for themselves if and when their children may learn a foreign language, based upon a fundamental liberty interest individuals have in the family unit.

Pierce v. Society of Sisters (1925)
A case deciding that parents may not be forced to send their children to public rather than private schools, based on the idea that, once again, parents have a fundamental liberty in deciding what happens to their children.

Olmstead v. United States (1928)

The court decides that wire tapping is legal, no matter what the reason or motivation, because it is not expressly prohibited in the Constitution. Justice Brandeis' dissent, however, lays the groundwork for future understandings of privacy.

Skinner v. Oklahoma (1942)

An Oklahoma law providing for the sterilization of people found to be "habitual criminals" is struck down, based on idea that all people have a fundamental right to make their own choices about marriage and procreation.

Tileston v. Ullman (1943) & Poe v. Ullman (1961)

The Court refuses to hear a case on Connecticut laws prohibiting the sale of contraceptives because no one can demonstrate they have been harmed. Harlan's dissent in Poe, however, explains why the case should be reviewed and why fundamental privacy interests are at stake.

Griswold v. Connecticut (1965)

Connecticut's laws against distribution of contraceptives and contraceptive information to married couples are struck down, with the Court relying on earlier precedent involving the rights of people to make decisions about their families and procreation as a legitimate sphere of privacy.

Loving v. Virginia (1967)

Virginia law against interracial marriages is struck down, with the Court once again declaring that marriage is a "fundamental civil right" and that decisions in this arena are not those with which the State can interefere unless they have good cause.

Eisenstadt v. Baird (1972)
The right of people to have and know about contraceptives is expanded to unmarried couples, because the right of people to make such decisions exists due not simply to the nature of the marriage relationship. Instead, it is also due to the fact that it is individuals making these decisions, and as such the government has no business making it for them, regardless of their marital status.

Roe v. Wade (1973)

The landmark decision which established that women have a basic right to have an abortion, this was based in many ways upon the earlier decisions above. Through the above cases, the Supreme Court developed the idea that the Constitution protects a person's to privacy, particularly when it comes to matters involving children and procreation.
 
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Unfortunately, it seems you are the one who is uninformed on consequences and the responsible ways to avoid forcing them on others and society.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid you cant afford and expecting tax payers to take up that burden with public assistance.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid you arent emotionally prepared to have and may abuse or neglect.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid if you know you wont stop drinking, smoking, doing drugs, etc that will damage the unborn.

--There's nothing responsible about remaining pregnant and dropping out of high school or college or missing work and not fulfilling your potential in society.

--There's nothing responsible about remaining pregnant/having a child and not being able to fulfill your other commitments and obligations to family, dependents, employer, church, community, society.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid and giving it up for adoption when there are already over 100,000 kids in America waiting to be adopted. It means one less waiting will find a home.




And you are wrong here as well (see the last point above. And that's not kids in foster care...that # is 400,000). For every newborn added to that giant pool of kids hoping and waiting for homes...one of those will go without. Each new one means that another kid will remain hoping and waiting...suffering. Why would you encourage women to do something so sad and painful if she does not choose to? The unborn suffers nothing.



Apparently you dont understand what the 'choice' part of 'pro-choice' means.

It means that every woman chooses for herself and is not bound to follow others' personal beliefs. It means she chooses what is best for the entirety of her life, her responsibilities to her dependents, and her commitments and obligations to employer, church, community, society, etc.

So from what I gather, you would actually chose to end the life of an unborn baby if the mother was "ill equipped" to handle a child? Are you happy your mother chose to keep you as opposed to aborting you?

Yes, another paradox of the left (there are many)

Mothers choosing to kill their children. Brilliant. Like I said God creates, satan destroys. Which side are you on?
 
So from what I gather, you would actually chose to end the life of an unborn baby if the mother was "ill equipped" to handle a child? Are you happy your mother chose to keep you as opposed to aborting you?

Yes, another paradox of the left (there are many)

Mothers choosing to kill their children. Brilliant. Like I said God creates, satan destroys. Which side are you on?

Yahweh kills innocent children and pregnant women like it's going out of style in the Old Testament. You should read up on what he had the Jews do to the Midianites.
 
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