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Planned Parenthood admits selling baby body parts, reported in news story out Sept. 4, 2019.

Iron_Merc said:
Lest we forget the humble beginnings of Planned Parenthood...
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“Today Eugenics is suggested by the most diverse minds as the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.” This is a statement by Ms Sanger in the first paragraph of her published article in the the quarterly “Birth Control Review”, September 1921. The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

The article is a quick overview of how she hopes birth control will play a useful role in the Eugenics movement.

It's important to note that when Ms Sanger use the term race or racial she means the human race not a specific race. Discrimination and bigotry existed but the term racism didn’t gain currency until later in the 1930s.

The eugenics movement evolved from the discovery, in 1904, that hereditary characteristics carried by genes could be manipulated to enhance desirable characteristics and suppress undesirable ones The movement when seen out of the context of its time can and has been deliberately misinterpreted as sinister and depraved. It wasn’t, not originally.

Why this desire to improve the human race? The 19th and early 20th centuries were ones of staggering alcohol consumption, family violence, extensive poverty, widespread mental retardation. and saloon based political corruption. The connection between drunkenness, child abuse, wife beating, job loss, and poverty was known. Unknown was the connection between alcoholism and mental retardation, low birth weight and infant’s failure to thrive. Eugenics promoted the belief that breeding for the good genes would eradicate poverty, mental retardation, crime, disease and violence.

The eugenics movement can be roughly divided into two phases; the first a genuine interest in improving the human condition and the second as a method to manipulate race. Margaret Sanger left the movement when it became obvious that eugenics had taken on a nefarious aspect of racism.
 
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Iron_Merc said:
I don't care how well you articulate your love for Margaret Sanger, she was one of the most evil women to every walk on this planet. Are you seriously defending the woman who is responsible for murder of over 50 million unborn babies? Then again you are a liberal, so you have no moral compass, therefore you see no problem with killing babies. Yes, I wonder if being aborted yourself might change your mind?
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You haven't a clue what Ms Sanger was for or against. Have you ever read anything she wrote? Ms Sanger was adamantly opposed to abortion. Women's birth control was not available to women, except the very wealthy. Wealthy women regularly had abortions in order to control the number of children. Ms Sanger thought abortion was barbaric and promoted birth control as a way of stopping abortion.

Try to read something Ms Sanger has written before you go blasting away at something you are completely ignorant of
 
Iron_Merc said:
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This sentence, ""We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population ", has been used over and over to prove Ms Sanger was systematically aborting black fetuses, that abortion is a racist tool and abortion should therefore be illegal

Like so many other neatly crafted justification for banning abortion this one is also a lie.

The quote is only a part of a sentence and is out of context. The Negro Project mentioned in the letter were the private birth control, not abortion, clinics for blacks in the south; funded by Ms Sanger’s Federation. The southern states had used federal clinic money to fund “whites only” clinics. Black leaders approved of and joined Ms Sanger’s efforts. The concern expressed in the quoted sentence was the lie being spread about the clinics and how to counter it. Ms Sanger was a life long advocate for ending abortion and for providing birth control for all women.


Here is the part of the letter from Ms Sanger to Dr. Gamble, a fervent advocate of birth control, a supporter of Ms Sanger’s work and heir to the Proctor and Gamble fortune, containing the quote.

“Dear Dr. Gamble,

(Three paragraphs about his health, recent contributions, organizational matters)

“There is only one thing that I would like to be in touch with and that is the Negro Project of the South which, if the execution of the details remain in Miss Rose's hands, my suggestions will not be confusing because she knows the way my mind works

Miss Rose sent me a copy of your letter of December 5th and I note that you doubt it worthwhile to employ a full time Negro physician. It seems to me from my experience where I have been in North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee and Texas, that while the colored Negroes have great respect for white doctors they can get closer to their own members and more or less lay their cards on the table which means their ignorance, superstitions and doubts. They do not do this with the white people and if we can train the Negro doctor at the Clinic he can go among them with enthusiasm and with knowledge, which, I believe, will have far-reaching results among the colored people. His work in my opinion should be entirely with the Negro profession and the nurses, hospital, social workers, as well as the County's white doctors. His success will depend upon his personality and his training by us

The ministers work is also important and also he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members

(Three paragraphs about the competence of Miss Rose, Dr. Gamble’s and Mrs. Timme’s health, and regards to wife)

Sincerely yours
MS/mh Margaret Sanger”


How loud and how clearly does it have to be said Ms Sanger was against abortion and for contraceptives. She was working with the Black community in the South because southern states refused to use the federal funds for birth control clinics for Blacks. She was praised by Martin Luther King, W.E.B. DuBois and southern Black women everywhere.

 
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Iron_Merc said:
Margeret Sangers own words in a short, informative pamphlet on methods to abort your child:
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Did you seriously not read any of the quotes I attached? Is that the kind of woman you want to be associated with?

Margaret Sanger was the quintessential abortionist of her time. Considering over 20 million black babies have been aborted since 1973, I would say planned parenthoods priority IS the abortion of babies. The facts speak for themselves. Margaret sanger calls for the extermination of the black race, and there are now over 20 million murdered black babies. Yeah, Id say she meant what she said.

I will just leave this here. Credit once again goes to anti abortionist (LOL) Margaret Sanger

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I glanced @ your offerings - they're inaccurate.

Sanger was not an abortionist.

A couple of notes on your graphs:

1. The pie diagram does not include the far greater number of spontaneous miscarriages, due to unknown causes, in the US.

2. No taxpayer money goes to provide abortions in the US (nor in the World, really - limits were set on US foreign aid). See No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act - Wikipedia

"The No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act (H.R. 3) is a bill that was introduced to the 112th Congress of the United States in the House of Representatives by Rep. Chris Smith (R-New Jersey) and Dan Lipinski (D-Illinois). The bill's stated purpose is "[t]o prohibit taxpayer funded abortions and to provide for conscience protections, and for other purposes."[1] In large measure, it would render permanent the restrictions on federal funding of abortion in the United States laid out in the Hyde Amendment.[2] The bill passed the House of Representatives on May 4, 2011 by a vote of 251-175.[3][4] The House of Representatives passed similar legislation in 2014,[5] 2015,[6] and 2017.[7]"

(My emphasis - more @ the URL)

So you're seriously behind the times on legislation, too.
 
Iron_Merc said:
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And yes, like Ms Clinton I admire Ms Sanger enormously. Almost single-handedly she made it possible for women to determine when and how many children they wanted to raise. This stabilized women's lives so they could take care of the children they had, had the money and energy to provide good nutrition, raise healthier children who could benefit from education, go on to work and support themselves. She reduced poverty in America. She gave women the freedom to enjoy sex without fear of pregnancy and she gave men back their dignity in supporting a family and the pleasure of mutual intimate relations with their wife.


There are some that think women shouldn't have the benefits of contraceptives, but that ship sailed long ago and it's not coming back.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Then why do you lie to make your point?

One of the aspects of reproductive healthcare is abortion. Of course they have some involvement.
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Ironically, Planned Parenthood and its supporters lie to keep the public in the dark about what really goes on in their baby butchery business, and those deceived by those lies call good people wicked when good people tell the truth.
 
weaver2 said:
Marke you have been told the courts have established that the video lies. It has been edited to make it sound like PP is selling "baby parts" for profit. It is so dishonest that even the anti-abortion Congressmen knew they couldn't use it as evidence in their hearing. Why do you keep referring to it? It isn't true. It's been faked.
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In spite of what you are trying to claim, the videos were not doctored and no court has said they were. Savage baby killers just don't want to admit that PP is an aborted baby part supplier to those willing to pay top dollar for baby parts and tissues.
 
Phys251 said:
Read your damn Bible, marke, before spewing lies like that.

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." -Exodus 20:16

"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." -James 2:10
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I see. You are going to believe what the baby killers and baby parts traffickers deceptively tell you rather than what your own lying eyeballs see in a factual documentary?
 
marke said:
Ironically, Planned Parenthood and its supporters lie to keep the public in the dark about what really goes on in their baby butchery business, and those deceived by those lies call good people wicked when good people tell the truth.
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If you actually thought it was 'baby butchering' you would be out there burning down clinics and turning yourself in as a hero.
 
marke said:
Sure they were. Just like Hitler's Jew exterminators.
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And we didn't sit by and let concentration camps go on and on. We invaded and killed them. You are not so much as throwing a rock through a PP window. That means you don't believe your own argument.
 
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southwest88 said:
Yah. See Abortion Foe Testifies in Criminal Invasion of Privacy Case, coverage of Deleiden's case on violation of privacy. There is nothing about Planned Parenthood admitting anything there, it's all procedural. This is tagged from Sept. 13, 2019, the most recent coverage I've found.

"Daleiden took the stand in a multiweek criminal proceeding that will determine whether he and a colleague will go to trial on 15 felony counts of invasion of privacy and eavesdropping."

These guys really know how to play to the crowd, hm?
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Leftist barbarians can illegally spy on Trump and every republican opponent they want to but that are damn sure they will not allow anyone to expose their evil like these people did when they filmed dummass baby butcherers selling baby body parts to the general public for the highest prices possible.
 
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“Today Eugenics is suggested by the most diverse minds as the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.” This is a statement by Ms Sanger in the first paragraph of her published article in the the quarterly “Birth Control Review”, September 1921. The Public Papers of Margaret Sanger: Web Edition

The article is a quick overview of how she hopes birth control will play a useful role in the Eugenics movement.

It's important to note that when Ms Sanger use the term race or racial she means the human race not a specific race. Discrimination and bigotry existed but the term racism didn’t gain currency until later in the 1930s.

The eugenics movement evolved from the discovery, in 1904, that hereditary characteristics carried by genes could be manipulated to enhance desirable characteristics and suppress undesirable ones The movement when seen out of the context of its time can and has been deliberately misinterpreted as sinister and depraved. It wasn’t, not originally.

Why this desire to improve the human race? The 19th and early 20th centuries were ones of staggering alcohol consumption, family violence, extensive poverty, widespread mental retardation. and saloon based political corruption. The connection between drunkenness, child abuse, wife beating, job loss, and poverty was known. Unknown was the connection between alcoholism and mental retardation, low birth weight and infant’s failure to thrive. Eugenics promoted the belief that breeding for the good genes would eradicate poverty, mental retardation, crime, disease and violence.

The eugenics movement can be roughly divided into two phases; the first a genuine interest in improving the human condition and the second as a method to manipulate race. Margaret Sanger left the movement when it became obvious that eugenics had taken on a nefarious aspect of racism.
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Sanger suffered from ignorance and delusions. She imagined poor blacks were bad evolution byproducts or humans not fully evolved which society would be wise to get rid of.

See any black kids in that old photo of the evolutionists supporting Sanger?
 
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marke said:
Sanger is in hell where she belongs. It may be best to just forget her - forever - because she will not be getting back out.
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And you know this how? God alone knows, YOU most certainly do not.
 
Re: The judge seems unimpressed

marke said:
Leftist barbarians can illegally spy on Trump and every republican opponent they want to but that are damn sure they will not allow anyone to expose their evil like these people did when they filmed dummass baby butcherers selling baby body parts to the general public for the highest prices possible.
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No, they did not.
 
Wayne Jr said:
If you actually thought it was 'baby butchering' you would be out there burning down clinics and turning yourself in as a hero.
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No, I wouldn't. I don't assault people I disagree with. The devil and democrats do that.
 
Wayne Jr said:
And we didn't sit by and let concentration camps go on and on. We invaded and killed them. You are not so much as throwing a rock through a PP window. That means you don't believe your own argument.
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God said vengeance belong to him. I'll let God burn their places down if that is what He will be doing.
 
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Kiwimac said:
And you know this how? God alone knows, YOU most certainly do not.
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I have a pretty good idea and since you claim you have no idea at all I will just stick with my idea.
 
marke said:
God said vengeance belong to him. I'll let God burn their places down if that is what He will be doing.
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God is pro-choice, so...
 
Wayne Jr said:
God is pro-choice, so...
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Hello?! Ever heard of the 10 commandments?

You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall make no idols.
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Keep the Sabbath day holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet
 
Re: The judge seems unimpressed

marke said:
Leftist barbarians can illegally spy on Trump and every republican opponent they want to but that are damn sure they will not allow anyone to expose their evil like these people did when they filmed dummass baby butcherers selling baby body parts to the general public for the highest prices possible.
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Nah, it's a federal crime in the US to sell fetal tissues. It can't be done, not legally.

What would the general public want with fetal tissues? It's a specialist niche - & how would members of the general public even know where to go to make contact with agencies that might be able to supply fetal tissues?

highest prices possible is, again, some kind of scalpel porn. Sale of fetal tissue is automatically a crime. Planned Parenthood & possibly other sources of fetal tissue in the US could pass along costs incurred in collecting & storing & shipping fetal tissue. But Planned Parenthood stopped even that, years ago.
 
Iron_Merc said:
Hello?! Ever heard of the 10 commandments?

You shall have no other gods before Me.
You shall make no idols.
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
Keep the Sabbath day holy.
Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
You shall not covet
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Abortion is not murder, so we're good on that one.

A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).
 
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