If conservatives actually cared about children....

If conservatives cared about children, they would not make excuses for why it is ok to rip any child away from their parents, stick them in cages and forget which warehouse they have been sent to, who have, at most, committed a misdemeanor, not a felony, when they crossed the border.

if conservatives really cared about children they would not make excuses for supporting this administrations cuts to family services that provide food, healthcare, and safe places to live for the children of the very poor.

If conservatives really cared.... they would wake up and realize that if they really wanted to save the lives of those they call the "unborn"...they would have to get out and actually do whatever they could to help pregnant women leaning towards abortion to have better options.

Like helping their bills, providing a a place to live if she couldn't afford to quit work to carry her baby to term and then take maternity leave, helping her find adoptive parents if she so desires and support her through the entire process, and on and on...but that is messy, and hard, and requires sacrifice, and money, and why should they help out at all, it's not their problem, they didn't get knocked up, she did...

.but if conservatives really cared about saving the unborn as they claim, wouldn't they do anything to save those unborn lives. Criminalizing all abortions will not stop many women from terminating their pregnancies, those women will just resort to internet solutions and private procedures off the record books.

It is so much easier to condemn and judge and pass laws that they themselves will never face the consequences of, much easier than to actually do the work it would require to really save any unborn from being aborted.

No conservative is saying to separate children or lock them up. It’s the illegal immigrant parents that are at fault for bringing them without going the legal route.

enderpotato00 said:

No conservative is saying to separate children or lock them up. It’s the illegal immigrant parents that are at fault for bringing them without going the legal route.

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Did you even make it past the first paragraph?

Joel said:

Did you even make it past the first paragraph?

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Doesn’t matter still broke the law. Normal criminals have their children separated when they commit a crime

enderpotato00 said:

Doesn’t matter still broke the law. Normal criminals have their children separated when they commit a crime

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Like when they commit a misdemeanor by ...

Trespassing on national forest lands
Taking advantage of Smokey the Bear’s likeness
Purchasing fireworks
Possession of marijuana
Mailing dentures (yes, you read that right)
Cutting down your own tree for Christmas
Mailing your NCAA bracket

Those are all the same level of crime.

Joel said:

Like when they commit a misdemeanor by ...

Trespassing on national forest lands
Taking advantage of Smokey the Bear’s likeness
Purchasing fireworks
Possession of marijuana
Mailing dentures (yes, you read that right)
Cutting down your own tree for Christmas
Mailing your NCAA bracket

Those are all the same level of crime.

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Illegal immigrants. Illegal.

enderpotato00 said:

Illegal immigrants. Illegal.

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Do you know anyone at all who has never broken any law ever? Not getting caught or not being seen breaking the law is still breaking the law, and so under your criteria, are we all not illegals?

Joel said:

Do you know anyone at all who has never broken any law ever? Not getting caught or not being seen breaking the law is still breaking the law, and so under your criteria, are we all not illegals?

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They’re not citizens, hence they are illegal immigrants if they cross the border not as a visitor.

Joel said:

If conservatives cared about children, they would not make excuses for why it is ok to rip any child away from their parents, stick them in cages and forget which warehouse they have been sent to, who have, at most, committed a misdemeanor, not a felony, when they crossed the border.

if conservatives really cared about children they would not make excuses for supporting this administrations cuts to family services that provide food, healthcare, and safe places to live for the children of the very poor.

If conservatives really cared.... they would wake up and realize that if they really wanted to save the lives of those they call the "unborn"...they would have to get out and actually do whatever they could to help pregnant women leaning towards abortion to have better options.

Like helping their bills, providing a a place to live if she couldn't afford to quit work to carry her baby to term and then take maternity leave, helping her find adoptive parents if she so desires and support her through the entire process, and on and on...but that is messy, and hard, and requires sacrifice, and money, and why should they help out at all, it's not their problem, they didn't get knocked up, she did...

.but if conservatives really cared about saving the unborn as they claim, wouldn't they do anything to save those unborn lives. Criminalizing all abortions will not stop many women from terminating their pregnancies, those women will just resort to internet solutions and private procedures off the record books.

It is so much easier to condemn and judge and pass laws that they themselves will never face the consequences of, much easier than to actually do the work it would require to really save any unborn from being aborted.

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This topic has NOTHING to do with abortion and rather is only an excuse to post the progressive Democratic hatred of Americans and truly sadistic attitudes towards children in your message.

In my opinion, only sadistic people would want to put children in detention with adults - subjecting them to being beaten, raped and murdered - and only people who truly totally hate Americans would give illegal immigrants rights to be with their children that is denied to ALL Americans put in detention.

Please link to your message demanding that Americans locked up in the detention should also have their children with them if you care to deny your message isn't just pure hatred of Americans. Or is it that you only want immigrant children beaten, raped and murdered in detention with adults in your message? Pick one.

enderpotato00 said:

No conservative is saying to separate children or lock them up. It’s the illegal immigrant parents that are at fault for bringing them without going the legal route.

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There's one and only one way to apply for asylum, and that's to turn yourself over to American custody at a port of entry. The overwhelming majority of families being split up are asylum applicants. The only law breakers in this case are the border agents, enforcing a direct violation of the constitution by way of Article VI making international treaties the supreme law of the land. Our asylum laws are established via treaty.

For years, human rights advocated demanded that the practice of putting juveniles in detention with adults be stopped due to the commonality of their being beaten and raped. The NEW corporate-fascist Democratic Party now DEMANDS putting immigrant juveniles in detention with adults - but ONLY immigrant kids, not American kids. The Democratic Party wants very sicko stuff.

Jesse Booth said:

There's one and only one way to apply for asylum, and that's to turn yourself over to American custody at a port of entry. The overwhelming majority of families being split up are asylum applicants. The only law breakers in this case are the border agents, enforcing a direct violation of the constitution by way of Article VI making international treaties the supreme law of the land. Our asylum laws are established via treaty.

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Do they go through a port of entry? Or do they randomly walk up to a border?

Joel said:

If conservatives cared about children, they would not make excuses for why it is ok to rip any child away from their parents, stick them in cages and forget which warehouse they have been sent to, who have, at most, committed a misdemeanor, not a felony, when they crossed the border.

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Who's taking care of all the children of conservatives?

Great, another faux morality post.
I'm really getting tired of this kind of continuous crap at this point.

Crossing the border illegally is a crime, with such punishments entailed.

I do not have much care for reducing services that are routinely abused by those that don't really require, or deserve them.

Mothers to be, have better options available to them. They must be willing to make the sacrifices that are required, just like everyone else, or at the very least practice a responsible lifestyle.

If you don't like when a country, or state makes something illegal. Vote to have it changed, or move to another state. You have more than enough rights that allow you to do any of these, and then some.

...Is this whole post in the OP just going to be some sort of hollow morality test?

Joel said:

Do you know anyone at all who has never broken any law ever? Not getting caught or not being seen breaking the law is still breaking the law, and so under your criteria, are we all not illegals?

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Nice fallacy you were going for there.

enderpotato00 said:

Doesn’t matter still broke the law. Normal criminals have their children separated when they commit a crime

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Sick Migrants Undergoing Lifesaving Care Can Now Be Deported

LOS ANGELES — Maria Isabel Bueso was 7 years old when she came to the United States from Guatemala at the invitation of doctors who were conducting a clinical trial for the treatment of her rare, disfiguring genetic disease. The trial was short on participants, and thanks to her enrollment, it eventually led the Food and Drug Administration to approve a medication for the condition that has increased survival by more than a decade.

Now 24, Ms. Bueso, who had been told she likely would not live past adolescence, has participated in several medical studies. She has won awards for her advocacy on behalf of people with rare diseases, appearing before lawmakers in Washington and in Sacramento. Over the years, her parents have paid for the treatment that keeps her alive with private medical insurance.

But last week, Ms. Bueso received a letter from the United States government that told her she would face deportation if she did not leave the country within 33 days, an order described by her doctor, lawyer and mother as tantamount to a “death sentence.”

“Can This Administration Sink Any Lower Than Threatening to Deport Kids with Cancer?” – Outrage over Trump Decision to End All Non-Military Deferred Action

“Can This Administration Sink Any Lower Than Threatening to Deport Kids with Cancer?” - Outrage over Trump Decision to End All Non-Military Deferred Action - America's Voice

The same Trump administration that is seeking to end the best-known deferred action program – DACA for Dreamers – has quietly announced the termination of all other types of non-military deferred action requests processed by USCIS. Deferred action is a form of prosecutorial discretion that says the U.S. does not intend to deport someone, usually because it has been determined there is no public interest served in doing so, often due to a humanitarian issue such as a child who requires medical care unavailable in other countries.

Despite the quiet way the Trump administration announced the news, the implications are massive on people’s lives and the outcry in response has been loud. Yesterday, a host of Boston-area medical professionals and immigration advocates spoke out in response, highlighting the real families and childrens’ lives put at unnecessary risk as a result:

Michael Levenson in the Boston Globe, “‘Our government has issued them a death sentence’: Children receiving treatment at Boston hospitals face deportation”:

Severely ill immigrants, including children with cancer, cystic fibrosis, and other grave conditions, are facing deportation under a change in Trump administration policy that immigration advocates are calling cruel and inhumane.

Trump Administration Now Targeting Sick Children for Deportation – Rolling Stone

The Trump Administration Now Wants to Deport Children With Cancer

The administration quietly eliminated a program that allowed severely ill undocumented immigrants and their families to remain in the United States for medical care


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AND THIS IS OKAY WITH YOU?? REALLY?

Overitall said:

Who's taking care of all the children of conservatives?

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He probably thinks their like dwarves, and just spring up from holes in the ground.

joko104 said:

This topic has NOTHING to do with abortion and rather is only an excuse to post the progressive Democratic hatred of Americans and truly sadistic attitudes towards children in your message.

In my opinion, only sadistic people would want to put children in detention with adults - subjecting them to being beaten, raped and murdered - and only people who truly totally hate Americans would give illegal immigrants rights to be with their children that is denied to ALL Americans put in detention.

Please link to your message demanding that Americans locked up in the detention should also have their children with them if you care to deny your message isn't just pure hatred of Americans. Or is it that you only want immigrant children beaten, raped and murdered in detention with adults in your message? Pick one.

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or how about you calm down before you post all angry and defensive and miss the point completely. Where did you read in any of my words any suggestion at all that ...

"I demanded that Americans locked up in the detention should also have their children with them if you care to deny your message isn't just pure hatred of Americans. Or is it that you only want immigrant children beaten, raped and murdered in detention with adults in your message?"

You brought that all on your own.

I love America, America responds to and meets the needs of the victims of any humanitarian crisis around the world whenever and wherever. That is the America I am proud to be a part of. Being cruel to immigrant children is un-American, I don't care who th President is.

Oborosen said:

Nice fallacy you were going for there.

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what fallacy? name it.

Oborosen said:

Great, another faux morality post.
I'm really getting tired of this kind of continuous crap at this point.

Crossing the border illegally is a crime, with such punishments entailed.

I do not have much care for reducing services that are routinely abused by those that don't really require, or deserve them.

Mothers to be, have better options available to them. They must be willing to make the sacrifices that are required, just like everyone else, or at the very least practice a responsible lifestyle.

If you don't like when a country, or state makes something illegal. Vote to have it changed, or move to another state. You have more than enough rights that allow you to do any of these, and then some.

...Is this whole post in the OP just going to be some sort of hollow morality test?

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If you want to call abortion murder and the people who get abortions, murderers, then you are guilty of the same thing you are accusing me of.

Joel said:

what fallacy? name it.

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Informal fallacy?

Overitall said:

Informal fallacy?

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maybe i should have been more clear, explain the fallacy you think you see.

Joel said:

maybe i should have been more clear, explain the fallacy you think you see.

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Well, I suppose it's acceptable to change the goal posts.

This fallacy, (or an example of it) is simply put: Two wrongs don't make a right.

Joel said:

If conservatives cared about children, they would not make excuses for why it is ok to rip any child away from their parents, stick them in cages and forget which warehouse they have been sent to, who have, at most, committed a misdemeanor, not a felony, when they crossed the border.

if conservatives really cared about children they would not make excuses for supporting this administrations cuts to family services that provide food, healthcare, and safe places to live for the children of the very poor.

If conservatives really cared.... they would wake up and realize that if they really wanted to save the lives of those they call the "unborn"...they would have to get out and actually do whatever they could to help pregnant women leaning towards abortion to have better options.

Like helping their bills, providing a a place to live if she couldn't afford to quit work to carry her baby to term and then take maternity leave, helping her find adoptive parents if she so desires and support her through the entire process, and on and on...but that is messy, and hard, and requires sacrifice, and money, and why should they help out at all, it's not their problem, they didn't get knocked up, she did...

.but if conservatives really cared about saving the unborn as they claim, wouldn't they do anything to save those unborn lives. Criminalizing all abortions will not stop many women from terminating their pregnancies, those women will just resort to internet solutions and private procedures off the record books.

It is so much easier to condemn and judge and pass laws that they themselves will never face the consequences of, much easier than to actually do the work it would require to really save any unborn from being aborted.

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And here you are condemning and judging. I guess it is easier. As for passing laws that the lawmakers never face the consequences of, that is a very bi-partisan affair.

Any bets on how long this thread will stay in this forum?