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Misogyny not saving "babies" is the force behind the anti-abortion movement says a new poll

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weaver2 said:
What do you think the abortion issue is about: saving "babies" or power?
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I think that for prolifers, it's definitely about power...and taking it away from women.

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“It’s not about life,” Filipovic continued. “It’s about the fact that abortion is inexorably tied to women’s freedoms and female power. If women can’t decide for themselves when and whether to have children – if having sex can mean being forced into motherhood – women also won’t be able to decide our own futures. We know that being forced to continue a pregnancy makes women more likely to remain in poverty. It makes women more likely to remain in abusive relationships. It hurts their children. It makes women more likely to die.”
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Absolutely agree on all points, no matter how many prolifers, especially prolife guys, deny this is the case.
 
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Prolife is racist. The prolifers, see white folks dying out, as Oreilly said, white folks are not reproducing fast enough.

The push for antiabortion rules, are now per state. This is designed, to have ethnic women go to blue states to have abortion, while the white women will be lobbied to take one for the white team.

The red states will make crossing state line for abortion illegal, so they will get rid of ethnic women from their states. Just in case they will need an abortion in the future.
 
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Guyzilla said:
Prolife is racist. The prolifers, see white folks dying out, as Oreilly said, white folks are not reproducing fast enough.

The push for antiabortion rules, are now per state. This is designed, to have ethnic women go to blue states to have abortion, while the white women will be lobbied to take one for the white team.

The red states will make crossing state line for abortion illegal, so they will get rid of ethnic women from their states. Just in case they will need an abortion in the future.
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Very racist in many cases. In discussions on overpopulation and abortion, they claim there wont be enough people in the US to support the economy and the aging population.

But when you mention that there are millions of people to willing to immigrate here legally, they immediately clam up.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Guyzilla said:
Prolife is racist. The prolifers, see white folks dying out, as Oreilly said, white folks are not reproducing fast enough.

The push for antiabortion rules, are now per state. This is designed, to have ethnic women go to blue states to have abortion, while the white women will be lobbied to take one for the white team.

The red states will make crossing state line for abortion illegal, so they will get rid of ethnic women from their states. Just in case they will need an abortion in the future.
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The Pro-Life movement operates on a racist level but that is only one of many levels. Falwell and Weyrich actually chose abortion as a cause over others they could have exactly because it would appeal to many concerns that would join together on abortion as one powerful political force. Their choice has proven to be successful.

The different areas of anti-abortion concern. There are sub-groups in each of those areas of concern.
Male advantage vs women's equality
Racism
Religious ideology
The squeamish.
All these groups claim that concern for the unborn is their focus.

In contrast the pro-choice movement seems to have one area of concern: preserving the right of all people, including women to make personal decisions about private lives without government or religious interference.
 
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Lursa said:
Seems pretty simple to me, after dating gets serious:

Him: would you ever get an abortion?

Her: yes/no

Him: makes informed decision on continuing relationship
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I think it makes sense for women to have that conversation too, even before the first official date, to avoid wasting time with the wrong person. It's a quick and easy conversation to have, actually. Something like this:

Her: I don't want kids or to get married. And I'd have an abortion if I ever got pregnant. Would that be a problem for you?

Him: Yes, I would have a serious problem with it, because I do want marriage and kids.

Her: Oh, okay. Then we don't need to date or have sex then. Bye, Ralph.

Conversation over. Probably in less than five minutes. :)
 
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Phys251 said:
A very obvious finding, yet it is worth repeating. The dead giveaway that anti-abortionism is all about control comes down to the anti-choice movement's origin:

Evangelicals hardly cared about abortion prior to Civil Rights, when it was blacks whom they could be more open about discriminating against. Civil Rights took away that weapon from evangelicals, but instead of learning and catching up to the times, they simply shifted to a new target: Women who were not conforming to evangelicals' narrow view of how they felt women should behave sexually. And thus the anti-choice movement was born and continues to this day.
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Totally agree, on all points.
 
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Integrityrespec said:
You seem to ignore that there are always consequences for actions. A woman who gets pregnant should not think that ending an unborn child's life is the answer. Somehow not seeing that as wrongful just escapes me.
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Actually, it's not for you to tell any woman what she "should" or "should not" do. Choosing to have sex isn't a crime, not even for a woman. So there's no need to punish her "for her actions" by forcing her to stay pregnant and give birth against her will. As to "wrongful," I think forcing women to stay pregnant and give birth against their will is as wrong as it gets.
 
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Scorps2000 said:
And I'm saying having "an abortion" is escaping the consequences. Please tell me how it is not...
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So do you believe that a woman who chooses to have sex should be punished by being forced to stay pregnant and give birth against her will? You know, the whole "consequences for her actions" thing.
 
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year2late said:
An abortion is a consequence.
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Exactly. And in many cases, the woman has to pay all the costs for that herself. They aren't done for free, last time I checked.
 
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Scorps2000 said:
No and I would never "opt out" of child support but why doesn't the man get to "choose"? The woman can choose to either have the baby or abort. If the man wants her to abort and she doesn't want to, shouldn't he get the choice?
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He doesn't get to choose because he doesn't own her uterus. That's why. As to your second question, no, he shouldn't get the choice. For the same reason.
 
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Mashmont said:
100% of the pro-lifers I know have one goal. To have little babies survive and live life. No other reason.
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I don't agree. I think controlling women's sexual and reproductive decisions is a secondary goal of prolifers, especially prolife guys, it's just that many of them will not admit that publicly. However, you have made that secondary goal clear more than once, on a different thread.
 
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OceanBlues1 said:
I think it makes sense for women to have that conversation too, even before the first official date, to avoid wasting time with the wrong person. It's a quick and easy conversation to have, actually. Something like this:

Her: I don't want kids or to get married. And I'd have an abortion if I ever got pregnant. Would that be a problem for you?

Him: Yes, I would have a serious problem with it, because I do want marriage and kids.

Her: Oh, okay. Then we don't need to date or have sex then. Bye, Ralph.

Conversation over. Probably in less than five minutes. :)
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Um. No.

Just IMO

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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OceanBlues1 said:
Exactly. And in many cases, the woman has to pay all the costs for that herself. They aren't done for free, last time I checked.
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And they are painful and can mean lost work time. And can in a small % of cases lead to infertility or even death.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Lursa said:
And they are painful and can mean lost work time. And can in a small % of cases lead to infertility or even death.
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Yep, that too. Still, abortion would have been my only option, if I'd ever gotten pregnant. Which, thankfully, I never did.
 
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Mashmont said:
This poll is a lie. Nobody makes the ridiculous far flung connection that saving little babies is somehow detrimental to women. This is a concoction of the Marxist leadership. The message shapers who dictate to the media how to cover issues. 100% of the pro-lifers I know have one goal. To have little babies survive and live life. No other reason.
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Conservative Christian men are usually pretty clueless about women, so nobody is surprised that 100% of your male Catholic friends think, like you, that women don't need a say in when they get pregnant. Conversations like that are detrimental to them and they should just keep quiet and let men take care of everything.
 
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weaver2 said:
Conservative Christian men are usually pretty clueless about women, so nobody is surprised that 100% of your male Catholic friends think, like you, that women don't need a say in when they get pregnant. Conversations like that are detrimental to them and they should just keep quiet and let men take care of everything.
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Agreed, on all points.
 
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weaver2 said:
Conservative Christian men are usually pretty clueless about women, so nobody is surprised that 100% of your male Catholic friends think, like you, that women don't need a say in when they get pregnant. Conversations like that are detrimental to them and they should just keep quiet and let men take care of everything.
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When both sexes are brainwashed to believe that the man gets whatever he wants, whenever he wants, he doesnt need to invest alot of curiosity or effort into women's needs. And the women are just as much to blame...for accepting it.

Of course laws that allowed for husbands to beat their wives, rape them, have them committed, take all their property, limiting their educations, limiting opportunities to make a living, etc made it alot harder for women to resist that in the past. Today? I have no idea what their (those women's) excuse is.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
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Lursa said:
When both sexes are brainwashed to believe that the man gets whatever he wants, whenever he wants, he doesnt need to invest alot of curiosity or effort into women's needs. And the women are just as much to blame...for accepting it.

Of course laws that allowed for husbands to beat their wives, rape them, have them committed, take all their property, limiting their educations, limiting opportunities to make a living, etc made it alot harder for women to resist that in the past. Today? I have no idea what their (those women's) excuse is.
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When Phyllis Schlafly was campaigning against the ERA her biggest point was that the ERA would repeal laws that allowed men to provide safety, security and financial protection to women . Women voted against the ERA for fear of losing those protections. Those fears are still embedded in the minds of many conservative women. Her next best talking point was that men would be able to use women's bathrooms. The ERA was voted down based on two lies effectively pounded into women's minds.

Phyllis Schlafly and Ayn Rand have been two of the most divisive forces in the US in the last 60 years.
 
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iguanaman said:
Basically one side is asking for freedom and the other wants enslavement because women are not capable of making choices. Then you have those men whose behavior towards women is so abhorrent that they feel the only way to get one to have their child is to have the State force them to.
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There is the reason "misogynist" became a popular word on this forum. Men believe they are able to control women because of that totally idiotic attitude.

Let's follow it up: If men were unable to control women, would they want to try? Do they have a factual basis for acting like idiots?:
 
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