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    Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    The study linked below seems to be widely regarded as the best information on the topic of late term abortion. In it youíll find some inconvenient truths for the pro-abortion camp. Among those are: 1) there are (at least) several thousand late term abortions every year in the US conducted for flippant reasons, i.e. not having to do with fetal anomalies or the life of the mother being at risk; 2) at least a few thousand late term abortions are performed each year in the US simply because the mother is already a single mother and doesnít want to be raising another child on her own. (The reasons for the other half of the unnecessary late term abortions arenít any better); and 3) there is no shortage of abortion clinics offering late term abortions. (Women seeking a late term abortion contacted 2.2 clinics on average before finding one that would perform their procedure as opposed to 1.7 clinics for women seeking first trimester abortions).

    ó-https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1363/4521013ó-


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by forthecause View Post
    The study linked below seems to be widely regarded as the best information on the topic of late term abortion. In it you’ll find some inconvenient truths for the pro-abortion camp. Among those are: 1) there are (at least) several thousand late term abortions every year in the US conducted for flippant reasons, i.e. not having to do with fetal anomalies or the life of the mother being at risk; 2) at least a few thousand late term abortions are performed each year in the US simply because the mother is already a single mother and doesn’t want to be raising another child on her own. (The reasons for the other half of the unnecessary late term abortions aren’t any better); and 3) there is no shortage of abortion clinics offering late term abortions. (Women seeking a late term abortion contacted 2.2 clinics on average before finding one that would perform their procedure as opposed to 1.7 clinics for women seeking first trimester abortions).

    —-https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1363/4521013—-


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    Can you quote actual portions of the text that back up your conclusions?

    Also, some more current articles would be nice. Some of the sourced information is coming from the 1990's and 2000's.

    But at least show how you got to got to your conclusion if you actually want to discuss.

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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Can you quote actual portions of the text that back up your conclusions?

    Also, some more current articles would be nice. Some of the sourced information is coming from the 1990's and 2000's.

    But at least show how you got to got to your conclusion if you actually want to discuss.
    Its not an issue that has a lot of sources. This is the best there is. And itís not that long of an article. You could just read it. But sure, Iíll give you some more highlights...there are about 15000 late term abortions. Most of those are not for reasons relating to fetal anomalies or saving the motherís life. That means at least several thousand are for other reasons. Out of that group, about half (i think it was 49%) listed already being a single mother as the reason for the abortion. That equates to at least a few thousand therefore. The rest of the reasons you can read in the article, but a couple examples are being addicted to drugs and having a bad relationship with the father. Number three needs no explanation. I gave you the numbers straight from the study.

    Itís also worth mentioning that this study was done by a liberal trying to push back against legislation seeking to ban late term abortion, so thereís no pro life bias here to be concerned about.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Following. Thank you.

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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Conclusion of the study: Bans on abortion after 20 weeks will disproportionately affect young women and women with limited financial resources.

    Here is a much more recent article by the same doctor who authored that study:

    When women are denied an abortion, their children fare worse than peers

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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    Conclusion of the study: Bans on abortion after 20 weeks will disproportionately affect young women and women with limited financial resources.

    Here is a much more recent article by the same doctor who authored that study:

    When women are denied an abortion, their children fare worse than peers
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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by forthecause View Post
    Its not an issue that has a lot of sources. This is the best there is. And it’s not that long of an article. You could just read it. But sure, I’ll give you some more highlights...there are about 15000 late term abortions. Most of those are not for reasons relating to fetal anomalies or saving the mother’s life. That means at least several thousand are for other reasons. Out of that group, about half (i think it was 49%) listed already being a single mother as the reason for the abortion. That equates to at least a few thousand therefore. The rest of the reasons you can read in the article, but a couple examples are being addicted to drugs and having a bad relationship with the father. Number three needs no explanation. I gave you the numbers straight from the study.

    It’s also worth mentioning that this study was done by a liberal trying to push back against legislation seeking to ban late term abortion, so there’s no pro life bias here to be concerned about.


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    Well if you are going to make definitive statements saying that women are having late term abortions based on "flippant" reasons, you need to be backed up with recent sources and facts.

    Also, you need to define late term abortions. Are you saying post viability? Or what actual week..there are frequently different reasons for different stages of pregnancy. Example...ultrasound that are frequently done around 20 weeks can show catastrophic fetal abnormalities. Those push into the viability stage because between ultrasound and discussion with OBGYN and subspecialists....this can take time.

    I think you have a lot more work to do to define flippant and show where you are getting your numbers from and how recent the studies are.

    I will be interested to see what you find if you decide to look.

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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by lwf View Post
    Conclusion of the study: Bans on abortion after 20 weeks will disproportionately affect young women and women with limited financial resources.

    Here is a much more recent article by the same doctor who authored that study:

    When women are denied an abortion, their children fare worse than peers
    Yeah itís a study done by a liberal trying to push back against legislation seeking to ban late term abortion. That doesnít change the facts uncovered within it that I highlighted. Neither the conclusion you quoted nor the thesis of the article you linked justify murdering children.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Well if you are going to make definitive statements saying that women are having late term abortions based on "flippant" reasons, you need to be backed up with recent sources and facts.

    Also, you need to define late term abortions. Are you saying post viability? Or what actual week..there are frequently different reasons for different stages of pregnancy. Example...ultrasound that are frequently done around 20 weeks can show catastrophic fetal abnormalities. Those push into the viability stage because between ultrasound and discussion with OBGYN and subspecialists....this can take time.

    I think you have a lot more work to do to define flippant and show where you are getting your numbers from and how recent the studies are.

    I will be interested to see what you find if you decide to look.
    This study is the one that is quoted by the left to this day as the best source on the topic. And the right points to it as well even though itís meant to be a leftist hit piece against Republican late term abortion ban legislation. If youíre aware of a better study out there that counters this one be my guest to bring it up, but the consensus seems to me to be that this is the gold standard for late term abortion data to date. For the rest of your concerns you raised, Iíll ask you to just read the study rather than continue asking me to dig things out of it for you. Read it. Find something better if you can. Then ask whatever you want.


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    Re: Setting the record straight on late term abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by forthecause View Post
    The study linked below seems to be widely regarded as the best information on the topic of late term abortion. In it youíll find some inconvenient truths for the pro-abortion camp. Among those are: 1) there are (at least) several thousand late term abortions every year in the US conducted for flippant reasons, i.e. not having to do with fetal anomalies or the life of the mother being at risk; 2) at least a few thousand late term abortions are performed each year in the US simply because the mother is already a single mother and doesnít want to be raising another child on her own. (The reasons for the other half of the unnecessary late term abortions arenít any better); and 3) there is no shortage of abortion clinics offering late term abortions. (Women seeking a late term abortion contacted 2.2 clinics on average before finding one that would perform their procedure as opposed to 1.7 clinics for women seeking first trimester abortions).

    ó-https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1363/4521013ó-


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    Your link says 1% or less women have an abortion at 21 weeks or later... and it says that the majority of women that do abort past 21 weeks did not know that they were pregnant until much later than other women due to various legitimate reasons.

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